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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Sept 4, 2023 22:18:21 GMT -5
He grew up in obscene wealth and luxury, I doubt exposure to violence and aggression was ever 'normalised' for him in the way that it would have been for many of us, so I don't doubt for a second that he even feared for his life with an angry pro wrestler approaching him having just attacked someone else. Even most of us who didn't come from that kind of background would probably be thinking 'this guy is gonna hurt me'. Regardless I respect him for making the call to turn Punk loose and then going out and taking the heat from the crowd, better late than never as the saying goes. Yep, exactly this. Never been in that kinda situation, so of course he was afraid. Still doesn’t undo him being a bitch the entire time, but he’s growing. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Sept 4, 2023 22:24:48 GMT -5
He grew up in obscene wealth and luxury, I doubt exposure to violence and aggression was ever 'normalised' for him in the way that it would have been for many of us, so I don't doubt for a second that he even feared for his life with an angry pro wrestler approaching him having just attacked someone else. Even most of us who didn't come from that kind of background would probably be thinking 'this guy is gonna hurt me'. Regardless I respect him for making the call to turn Punk loose and then going out and taking the heat from the crowd, better late than never as the saying goes. Yep, exactly this. Never been in that kinda situation, so of course he was afraid. Still doesn’t undo him being a bitch the entire time, but he’s growing. even removing the circumstances in which Khan grew up in, he's still just a regular person, not exactly trained in any self-defense or even wrestling. It's understandable he'd be feeling fearful for his life when an angry pro wrestler who also knows MMA is stomping around backstage. |
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Post by jm on Sept 4, 2023 22:27:55 GMT -5
He grew up in obscene wealth and luxury, I doubt exposure to violence and aggression was ever 'normalised' for him in the way that it would have been for many of us, so I don't doubt for a second that he even feared for his life with an angry pro wrestler approaching him having just attacked someone else. Even most of us who didn't come from that kind of background would probably be thinking 'this guy is gonna hurt me'. Regardless I respect him for making the call to turn Punk loose and then going out and taking the heat from the crowd, better late than never as the saying goes. What does "growing up in obsessed wealth and luxury" have to do with someone fearing for their life? So your feelings of being in danger are only valid if you have been "normalized to aggression and violence"? This is ridiculous that people are going after Tony Khan for saying that he felt as if his life was in danger. You weren't there, so you have no right to make fun of Tony for saying that. And btw, he also said that Punk's behavior at All In endangered other people as well. Did all of the people whom Punk endanger "grow up in obsessed wealth and luxury" as well? Ridiculous. |
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Post by jm on Sept 4, 2023 22:29:30 GMT -5
He grew up in obscene wealth and luxury, I doubt exposure to violence and aggression was ever 'normalised' for him in the way that it would have been for many of us, so I don't doubt for a second that he even feared for his life with an angry pro wrestler approaching him having just attacked someone else. Even most of us who didn't come from that kind of background would probably be thinking 'this guy is gonna hurt me'. Regardless I respect him for making the call to turn Punk loose and then going out and taking the heat from the crowd, better late than never as the saying goes. Yep, exactly this. Never been in that kinda situation, so of course he was afraid. Still doesn’t undo him being a bitch the entire time, but he’s growing. Have you ever been in that situation? Have you ever had a wrestler storming towards you angry and upset, who has just been in a fight with another wrestler? If you have, please tell us about it. If not, don't make fun of Tony for saying he feared for his life. Most people would feel the same as Tony did. |
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Sept 5, 2023 0:47:35 GMT -5
Yep, exactly this. Never been in that kinda situation, so of course he was afraid. Still doesn’t undo him being a bitch the entire time, but he’s growing. Have you ever been in that situation? Have you ever had a wrestler storming towards you angry and upset, who has just been in a fight with another wrestler? If you have, please tell us about it. If not, don't make fun of Tony for saying he feared for his life. Most people would feel the same as Tony did. I didn’t see where I made fun of him for it. He hasnt been in a competitive situation like that before, of course it’s natural to be scared or afraid around athletes that are fuming. Doesn’t end the fact that he should have taken care of things a year ago when things went side ways. |
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Sept 5, 2023 0:51:01 GMT -5
Yep, exactly this. Never been in that kinda situation, so of course he was afraid. Still doesn’t undo him being a bitch the entire time, but he’s growing. even removing the circumstances in which Khan grew up in, he's still just a regular person, not exactly trained in any self-defense or even wrestling. It's understandable he'd be feeling fearful for his life when an angry pro wrestler who also knows MMA is stomping around backstage. Yeah, I think it’s one of those things that other promoters either grew up in the industry or were wrestlers themselves. So definitely a regular person in the crazy world of professional wrestling, and totally understand to be afraid for his safety or others around him. |
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Post by Dub H on Sept 5, 2023 1:21:11 GMT -5
He is a wrestling fan, he should know if you call someone a jobber you might get shot on the streets.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Sept 5, 2023 5:19:03 GMT -5
It might not be totally fair for people to rag on TK if he was actually scared, but I think what others might be latching on to is that Tony is obviously a very intelligent guy, and a reasonable person probably wouldn't legitimately believe that another man was going to murder him at a huge public event with probably dozens (at least) of witnesses around.
Not bagging on TK, f**k Punk, but I think that's why people are dunking on him.
Also, my personal belief is that assuming this is all true, that TK was probably led in to using that wording by his legal team as a way to bolster the justification of firing.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 5, 2023 5:23:09 GMT -5
I suspect that it has little to do with tony being afraid for his life and a lot more to do with some things punk had to say to him after the shit went down.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 5, 2023 5:34:40 GMT -5
I doubt Tony was scared for his life due to Punk's fighting ability, he saw his MMA career.
He probably was scared of Punk acting unhinged and lashing out around precariously placed monitors and production equipment (possibly throwing things). One of those falling on your head could do a lot of damage.
He said others backstage were fearful which backs that up, they wouldn't be if only TK was in the line of fire.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 5, 2023 6:01:25 GMT -5
I do respect Tony stepping up in regards to Punk and addressing it the way he did, as well as owning up to his fear even as a bunch of, "OMG WHAT KIND OF MAN FEELS EMOTIONS OTHER THAN RAGE?!" dipshits go wild over it, but there's still a giant FTR Hair-shaped cloud over me actually having any particular respect for TK's problem management on the whole right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2023 7:43:38 GMT -5
He grew up in obscene wealth and luxury, I doubt exposure to violence and aggression was ever 'normalised' for him in the way that it would have been for many of us, so I don't doubt for a second that he even feared for his life with an angry pro wrestler approaching him having just attacked someone else. Even most of us who didn't come from that kind of background would probably be thinking 'this guy is gonna hurt me'. Regardless I respect him for making the call to turn Punk loose and then going out and taking the heat from the crowd, better late than never as the saying goes. What does "growing up in obsessed wealth and luxury" have to do with someone fearing for their life? So your feelings of being in danger are only valid if you have been "normalized to aggression and violence"? This is ridiculous that people are going after Tony Khan for saying that he felt as if his life was in danger. You weren't there, so you have no right to make fun of Tony for saying that. And btw, he also said that Punk's behavior at All In endangered other people as well. Did all of the people whom Punk endanger "grow up in obsessed wealth and luxury" as well? Ridiculous. You've misinterpreted my post, it's not intended to mock Tony, if anything it's intended to defend him against accusations of being a dishonest/a drama queen. The post above mine implies, with a 'just asking questions' tone, that Tony is exaggerating his fear to have an excuse to fire Punk with cause, and there have been multiple old heads (Russo, Cornette, etc.) mocking Tony for his 'fearing for my life' line. So I'm not 'going after' anybody or making fun of Tony or trying to invalidate his feelings, if anything my post is pointing out that his feelings are extremely valid. |
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Post by markymark on Sept 5, 2023 8:01:07 GMT -5
I doubt Tony was scared for his life due to Punk's fighting ability, he saw his MMA career.He probably was scared of Punk acting unhinged and lashing out around precariously placed monitors and production equipment (possibly throwing things). One of those falling on your head could do a lot of damage. He said others backstage were fearful which backs that up, they wouldn't be if only TK was in the line of fire.
I mean TK cracked his ribs after a takedown by a past his prime JDS 2 years ago at Grand Slam
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 5, 2023 8:13:55 GMT -5
I do respect Tony stepping up in regards to Punk and addressing it the way he did, as well as owning up to his fear even as a bunch of, "OMG WHAT KIND OF MAN FEELS EMOTIONS OTHER THAN RAGE?!" dipshits go wild over it, but there's still a giant FTR Hair-shaped cloud over me actually having any particular respect for TK's problem management on the whole right now. I spent an amount of internet time in a place where that's the default mode of response from most people (and many of them were also the "you say something I don't like, I'm justified in sending you to the hospital or worse" types, too), and it's a hard thing to escape, especially when it's the same type of abusive environment you grew up in (and never got to "find yourself" in college and become a different and better person), but I managed to get away from that site, and I just can't understand what makes someone want to perpetuate that behavior pattern. And even though I kind of get why some people think the phrase "feared for my life" might sound a little hyperbolic, none of us know exactly what the production setup looked like back there (if a monitor falls from height on someone, that's going to do serious harm), and I'm sure there's some sort of legal threshold that crosses from "feared for my safety" to "feared for my life". |
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Post by mc74 on Sept 5, 2023 8:30:53 GMT -5
I do respect Tony stepping up in regards to Punk and addressing it the way he did, as well as owning up to his fear even as a bunch of, "OMG WHAT KIND OF MAN FEELS EMOTIONS OTHER THAN RAGE?!" dipshits go wild over it, but there's still a giant FTR Hair-shaped cloud over me actually having any particular respect for TK's problem management on the whole right now. I spent an amount of internet time in a place where that's the default mode of response from most people (and many of them were also the "you say something I don't like, I'm justified in sending you to the hospital or worse" types, too), and it's a hard thing to escape, especially when it's the same type of abusive environment you grew up in (and never got to "find yourself" in college and become a different and better person), but I managed to get away from that site, and I just can't understand what makes someone want to perpetuate that behavior pattern. And even though I kind of get why some people think the phrase "feared for my life" might sound a little hyperbolic, none of us know exactly what the production setup looked like back there (if a monitor falls from height on someone, that's going to do serious harm), and I'm sure there's some sort of legal threshold that crosses from "feared for my safety" to "feared for my life". That's the kind of environment I lived in, one where abuse and toxicity was rampant. Made me a very bitter person to the point I held on to grudges for a long period of time. Took me a long time before I learned to move on with my life and better myself as a person. I know exactly how hard it is to overcome that. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 5, 2023 11:49:49 GMT -5
I doubt Tony was scared for his life due to Punk's fighting ability, he saw his MMA career. He probably was scared of Punk acting unhinged and lashing out around precariously placed monitors and production equipment (possibly throwing things). One of those falling on your head could do a lot of damage. He said others backstage were fearful which backs that up, they wouldn't be if only TK was in the line of fire. As stated above, I doubt Punk was physically intimidating Tony. I think it’s more like Punk got into Tony’s face with some colorful four letter adjectives. In other words-Tony couldn’t handle being yelled at. |
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Post by Tenshigure on Sept 5, 2023 11:54:04 GMT -5
It might not be totally fair for people to rag on TK if he was actually scared, but I think what others might be latching on to is that Tony is obviously a very intelligent guy, and a reasonable person probably wouldn't legitimately believe that another man was going to murder him at a huge public event with probably dozens (at least) of witnesses around. I know you're not meaning to do this, but we need to stop speculating on the restraint of someone who has a history of anger issues as to whether or not they would do something or not because of the number of people around. There have been PLENTY of incidents where someone "didn't mean to take it so far" with blood on their hands, and if they are so blind with rage that they are witnessed to have "lunged" at their boss and/or others, we cannot discount the possibility of it getting to a point of that happening. All these edgelords saying TK should've just taken it because X or Y person did are so full of shit their eyes are turning brown. Just because Vince took a punch from Bret doesn't mean that suddenly every other promoter should be training themselves for the possibility of other employees of doing the same thing. Should TK be wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying pepper spray with him at all times, or go get himself trained in MMA as well in case someone wants to go for a tussle? Absolutely not. Again, I'm not accusing you of the things others are saying, but we need to not feed into this notion that TK should be emasculated because he publicly stated that the events that led to Punk's ultimate termination put fear into him. Swear the empathy of so many of these folks is non-existant because, YET AGAIN, people can't separate fantasy from reality. EDIT: As stated above, I doubt Punk was physically intimidating Tony. I think it’s more like Punk got into Tony’s face with some colorful four letter adjectives. In other words-Tony couldn’t handle being yelled at. Case in freaking point...good lord do I hope those tapes get leaked now...
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 5, 2023 12:31:05 GMT -5
It might not be totally fair for people to rag on TK if he was actually scared, but I think what others might be latching on to is that Tony is obviously a very intelligent guy, and a reasonable person probably wouldn't legitimately believe that another man was going to murder him at a huge public event with probably dozens (at least) of witnesses around. I know you're not meaning to do this, but we need to stop speculating on the restraint of someone who has a history of anger issues as to whether or not they would do something or not because of the number of people around. There have been PLENTY of incidents where someone "didn't mean to take it so far" with blood on their hands, and if they are so blind with rage that they are witnessed to have "lunged" at their boss and/or others, we cannot discount the possibility of it getting to a point of that happening. All these edgelords saying TK should've just taken it because X or Y person did are so full of shit their eyes are turning brown. Just because Vince took a punch from Bret doesn't mean that suddenly every other promoter should be training themselves for the possibility of other employees of doing the same thing. Should TK be wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying pepper spray with him at all times, or go get himself trained in MMA as well in case someone wants to go for a tussle? Absolutely not. Again, I'm not accusing you of the things others are saying, but we need to not feed into this notion that TK should be emasculated because he publicly stated that the events that led to Punk's ultimate termination put fear into him. Swear the empathy of so many of these folks is non-existant because, YET AGAIN, people can't separate fantasy from reality. EDIT: As stated above, I doubt Punk was physically intimidating Tony. I think it’s more like Punk got into Tony’s face with some colorful four letter adjectives. In other words-Tony couldn’t handle being yelled at. Case in freaking point...good lord do I hope those tapes get leaked now...
I’m having images of that one episode of Seinfeld where George gets arrested for bootlegging a movie with the former jungle boy as George’s father and Punk as Elaine. “You wanna piece of me? YOU GOT IT!!!”’ |
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Post by Legion on Sept 5, 2023 12:39:34 GMT -5
I've just heard the statement for thr first time.
It's legalese to support the firing. I doubt anyone was afraid of anything, but it makes a great defence and gives the cause for termination.
This whole situation has GOT to be an eye opener for Tony. He needs to be a better boss and less of a friend and nip these issues in the bud before they get to this level.
Granted, with Punk gone, over half his issues just walked out anyway!
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Post by Citizen Snips on Sept 5, 2023 13:23:48 GMT -5
I doubt Tony was scared for his life due to Punk's fighting ability, he saw his MMA career. He probably was scared of Punk acting unhinged and lashing out around precariously placed monitors and production equipment (possibly throwing things). One of those falling on your head could do a lot of damage. He said others backstage were fearful which backs that up, they wouldn't be if only TK was in the line of fire. As stated above, I doubt Punk was physically intimidating Tony. I think it’s more like Punk got into Tony’s face with some colorful four letter adjectives. In other words-Tony couldn’t handle being yelled at. Getting in someone’s face is physical intimidation. |
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