Tony Khan is no longer a bitch

[Ringmaster]

Well, this isn't toxic as f*** at all.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

May 19, 2023 17:59:27 GMT -5 Ringmaster said:

Well, this isn't toxic as f*** at all.

It's been the Punk thread for weeks, might as well make a joke thread about it... and try and keep it a joke thread...

[Citizen Snips]

May 19, 2023 16:47:35 GMT -5 khali said:

May 19, 2023 14:44:53 GMT -5 poodoojenkins said:

I've wanted to support this company since day 1, because I love the Elite and have for a long time.

However, with the way TK has handled Punk, Miro, Andrade, Rosa, MJF, and other situations, I just absolutely can't bring myself to do it.

He is, legitimately, the weakest leader I have ever seen in wrestling.

Say what you want about Vince or Trips, but every single one of those douchebags above would rightfully be sitting in a "Where are they now" file for the remainder of their careers if they had ever acted so disrespectfully toward the roster or bosses.

Also, if you're curious about why it's always been important to have locker room leaders like the Undertaker to help police the guys themselves, study the AEW locker room since pretty much the beginning. They have never had ANYONE who is actually a strong, respected locker room leader, and it shows. You think f***ing Andrade is gonna go around sucker punching people if he has to worry about someone like UT getting to him? Nah.

This company has 2 of the main things that killed WCW: Weak leadership and an out of control locker room.

You do not, under any circumstance, got to hand it to the Undertaker.

WWE has had so many instances you can name, but the one I just thought of was when JBL legitimately attacked The Blue Meanie in the ring on PPV. Nothing happened to JBL.

Stevie Richards damn near caved JBL’s skull in with a legit brutal chairshot a week or so later on Smackdown.

[KME]

There's so many instances of worse shit than any of this going on under Vince, HHH and Taker's noses and in some cases them actually being involved in worse shit themselves and exposing themselves as pretty horrific people, think it's beyond ridiculous to be holding them up as some sort of shining example.

Honestly, I don't much care if Tony appears spineless or any of that shit really, his management style just doesn't affect how I see the product, he books amazing weekly TV and PPV's and totally reignited my beyond dead love for the business, I'd want to support AEW whether I had any respect for him or not and he'd have to do a hell of a lot worse than anything that's gone on here for me to want to turn my back on it. Tony, whether he's a bitch or not, doesn't appear to be a bad guy on the whole, certainly not for a guy with his money, seems to care about the fans and books accordingly and people generally seem to speak about him in glowing terms. Without wanting to go too far down the rabbit hole with whataboutery I'd imagine if I was giving up entertainment based on things those involved have done that are worse than things Tony has done I'd be giving up basically everything. I disagree with how he's handling most of this Punk stuff but it feels way more like naivety and lacking backbone than anything sinister.

As a side note the obsession with wanting to hurt the company by threatening to withdraw support because of the pandering towards guys...because they hurt the company is just counter productive to me anyway.

[Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite]

May 19, 2023 15:10:50 GMT -5 The Captain said:

May 19, 2023 14:44:53 GMT -5 poodoojenkins said:

I've wanted to support this company since day 1, because I love the Elite and have for a long time.

However, with the way TK has handled Punk, Miro, Andrade, Rosa, MJF, and other situations, I just absolutely can't bring myself to do it.

He is, legitimately, the weakest leader I have ever seen in wrestling.

Say what you want about Vince or Trips, but every single one of those douchebags above would rightfully be sitting in a "Where are they now" file for the remainder of their careers if they had ever acted so disrespectfully toward the roster or bosses.

Also, if you're curious about why it's always been important to have locker room leaders like the Undertaker to help police the guys themselves, study the AEW locker room since pretty much the beginning. They have never had ANYONE who is actually a strong, respected locker room leader, and it shows. You think f***ing Andrade is gonna go around sucker punching people if he has to worry about someone like UT getting to him? Nah.

This company has 2 of the main things that killed WCW: Weak leadership and an out of control locker room.

That's revisionist history. Vince let his boys get away with stuff all the time. See: Michaels, Shawn. And Triple H dug his heels in on guys like Drake Wuertz and Velveteen Dream despite the rest of the NXT locker room wanting nothing nothing to do with them until they were finally cut as part of budget tightening. Or DeMott as an abusive trainer.

Hell, look how many times Jeff Hardy and Jimmy Uso were welcomed back after DUI's and whatnot. Tony Khan is a carny in a carny business, but not uniquely so.

Vince might have allowed (and contributed greatly) to the cess pool that was/is the WWE Locker Room, but one thing I can't picture Vince doing is sitting idly by and allowing one of his Employees to son him in front of the world at a press conference

[polarbearpete]

May 19, 2023 18:05:03 GMT -5 KME said:

There's so many instances of worse shit than any of this going on under Vince, HHH and Taker's noses and in some cases them actually being involved in worse shit themselves and exposing themselves as pretty horrific people, think it's beyond ridiculous to be holding them up as some sort of shining example.

Honestly, I don't much care if Tony appears spineless or any of that shit really, his management style just doesn't affect how I see the product, he books amazing weekly TV and PPV's and totally reignited my beyond dead love for the business, I'd want to support AEW whether I had any respect for him or not and he'd have to do a hell of a lot worse than anything that's gone on here for me to want to turn my back on it. Tony, whether he's a bitch or not, doesn't appear to be a bad guy on the whole, certainly not for a guy with his money, seems to care about the fans and books accordingly and people generally seem to speak about him in glowing terms. Without wanting to go too far down the rabbit hole with whataboutery I'd imagine if I was giving up entertainment based on things those involved have done that are worse than things Tony has done I'd be giving up basically everything. I disagree with how he's handling most of this Punk stuff but it feels way more like naivety and lacking backbone than anything sinister.

As a side note the obsession with wanting to hurt the company by threatening to withdraw support because of the pandering towards guys...because they hurt the company is just counter productive to me anyway.

The last paragraph reads to me like there should only be blind support if you want the company to succeed. I think that’s harmful, especially when Khan might be someone that actually responds and changes things that people have issue with.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

May 19, 2023 18:07:29 GMT -5 Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite said:

May 19, 2023 15:10:50 GMT -5 The Captain said:

That's revisionist history. Vince let his boys get away with stuff all the time. See: Michaels, Shawn. And Triple H dug his heels in on guys like Drake Wuertz and Velveteen Dream despite the rest of the NXT locker room wanting nothing nothing to do with them until they were finally cut as part of budget tightening. Or DeMott as an abusive trainer.

Hell, look how many times Jeff Hardy and Jimmy Uso were welcomed back after DUI's and whatnot. Tony Khan is a carny in a carny business, but not uniquely so.

Vince might have allowed (and contributed greatly) to the cess pool that was/is the WWE Locker Room, but one thing I can't picture Vince doing is sitting idly by and allowing one of his Employees to son him in front of the world at a press conference

Vince would have probably fist fought him live on camera if that makes it any better lmfao

[Hurbster]

Tony was talking to a bloke called Dutch, who says he has a plan.

Let's see how this plays out.

[Milkman Norm]

May 19, 2023 18:07:29 GMT -5 Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite said:

May 19, 2023 15:10:50 GMT -5 The Captain said:

That's revisionist history. Vince let his boys get away with stuff all the time. See: Michaels, Shawn. And Triple H dug his heels in on guys like Drake Wuertz and Velveteen Dream despite the rest of the NXT locker room wanting nothing nothing to do with them until they were finally cut as part of budget tightening. Or DeMott as an abusive trainer.

Hell, look how many times Jeff Hardy and Jimmy Uso were welcomed back after DUI's and whatnot. Tony Khan is a carny in a carny business, but not uniquely so.

Vince might have allowed (and contributed greatly) to the cess pool that was/is the WWE Locker Room, but one thing I can't picture Vince doing is sitting idly by and allowing one of his Employees to son him in front of the world at a press conference

Vince would have loved having one of his top talents shoot on other top talents in front of the media & all the attention it got. Vince is 100% carny. Now he would have been in a better position of control than TK but come on folks. Let's not pretend Vince isn't a total carny.

[The Ichi]

Nobody outside of the deepest recesses of Twitter is going to claim that he's as bad as Vince, so let's knock that on the head right now.

It should be fair to say when he f***s up though. Nobody should be above criticism and I know the sentiment is coming from a place of frustration.

[King Devitt: What Plants Crave]

May 19, 2023 16:24:47 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

May 19, 2023 15:45:56 GMT -5 Tom Turkey said:

everyone is a birch according to this board.

I consider myself more of an oak.

I'm more like Balsa Wood.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

May 19, 2023 22:44:05 GMT -5 King Devitt: What Plants Crave said:

May 19, 2023 16:24:47 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

I consider myself more of an oak.

I'm more like Balsa Wood.

I'm more like dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuff's loaded with nutrients, I can't compete with that.

[Tiger Millionaire]

Say what you want about Vince, but he is not a bitch. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a bitch, but he is NOT a porn star.

[wankah]

I bet that Vince also thinks Tony Khan is a bitch.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Tony Khan is a bitch.

[J is Justice]

We're all bitches.

[pinja]

May 20, 2023 9:22:40 GMT -5 J is Justice said:

We're all bitches.

Who doesn't want to be? Don't we all love treats and to be petted?

[kidkamikaze10]

Wait, are we saying Vince would never let someone bitch him out on camera?

I can’t believe I have to bring him up in a Punk/FTR related thread, but guys, Bret Hart did that. Multiple times technically. He didn’t even need to do it in a press conference; he did it in the ring.

[kingoftheindies]

May 19, 2023 18:01:19 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

May 19, 2023 17:59:27 GMT -5 Ringmaster said:

Well, this isn't toxic as f*** at all.

It's been the Punk thread for weeks, might as well make a joke thread about it... and try and keep it a joke thread...

yeah I don't agree with the premise as I think people just want to dunk on Tony for anything and admittedly from what comes out this is an easy thing to dunk on him for, but if people want to have fun with it why not?

[Fade]

There really should be a FAN bitch of the year doe. Really missed opportunity.