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Post by Fade on Jun 22, 2023 21:18:22 GMT -5
I was surprised there wasn’t a thread on this here the last few days. I’ve been keeping up on Reddit, Twitter, etc I feel really bad about the 19 year old who (very understandably) was scared as hell and didn't want to do this, but got coaxed into doing it by his father. Is it confirmed the son “ didn’t” want to go? Regardless, yes, that’s where most of my empathy goes. Whole life ahead of you. That’s a tragedy. This just reeks of “I’m rich, so nothing negative could possibly happen to me” Definitely a component. Hubris baby. Remains undefeated, unfortunately. Insane story. From the lack of regulation, the “search” for it, the comparisons to Titanic (like Cameron mentioned), whether it imploded or were suffering the worse fate of waiting for air to be deprived….just a nightmare. All around. Chaz’s post was well said and kind of summed up how I feel. I scroll through ALL the memes and I’d be lying if some of them didn’t make me laugh. And that speaks to the lack of empathy in general, and the sadistic nihilistic nature of the Internet. But this could have been avoided. One of their top engineers requested time to speak in 2018, listing all his fears and worries and that it was an “accident waiting to happen”. They let him talk and fired him immediately after. Also, the aspect of the rich seemingly living life with little regard and fear (or respect) for their lives. And this happens. Sigh. Like, I said..just terrible all around. There’s a thing going around, as well, that allegedly the wife of the CEO is related to an elderly first-class couple that died on the Titanic (the couple who are shown in bed sleeping together as their room floods). I haven’t dug deep to see if it’s confirmed, but, at this rate, with how bizarre every other part of this story, it wouldn’t surprise me. My father brought up how bad he wish he could win the lottery yesterday and all I could think is “.. in comparison with the submersible story, we have”. Gotta stop and smell the roses sometimes, yo.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 22, 2023 21:42:20 GMT -5
Is it confirmed the son “ didn’t” want to go? Regardless, yes, that’s where most of my empathy goes. Whole life ahead of you. That’s a tragedy. We'll probably never know for sure, but according to his aunt:
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Post by Fade on Jun 22, 2023 21:49:39 GMT -5
Is it confirmed the son “ didn’t” want to go? Regardless, yes, that’s where most of my empathy goes. Whole life ahead of you. That’s a tragedy. We'll probably never know for sure, but according to his aunt: f***. f***. *sigh*..
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 22, 2023 22:10:13 GMT -5
I think at the end of the day my thought about it is I wouldn't wish that fate on my worst enemy or the worst person in the world. Submarines and the ocean are scary as f*** my dude.
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Post by Fade on Jun 22, 2023 22:25:56 GMT -5
I think at the end of the day my thought about it is I wouldn't wish that fate on my worst enemy or the worst person in the world. Submarines and the ocean are scary as f*** my dude. It’s said we know more bout mars and the moon than the vastness of our own ocean. f***ing insane. I love the beach, but anytime I’ve gone, it’s been a “I am at the mercy of Mother Nature rn” sort of deal.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 22, 2023 22:34:25 GMT -5
I think at the end of the day my thought about it is I wouldn't wish that fate on my worst enemy or the worst person in the world. Submarines and the ocean are scary as f*** my dude. It’s said we know more bout mars and the moon than the vastness of our own ocean. f***ing insane. I love the beach, but anytime I’ve gone, it’s been a “I am at the mercy of Mother Nature rn” sort of deal. You'll catch my ass in space before I ever go diving or in a submarine. Hell no. I don’t have many fears at the end of the day but anything like that is a huge exception. You don’t mess with the sea.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 22, 2023 22:53:14 GMT -5
You'll catch my ass in space before I ever go diving or in a submarine. Hell no. I don’t have many fears at the end of the day but anything like that is a huge exception. You don’t mess with the sea. People parroting Stockton Rush's "If you want to be safe, just stay home, stay in bed" line be damned. He died a gruesome death in horrific circumstances while I continue to lead a safe and satisfying life.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 22, 2023 23:27:36 GMT -5
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Post by uewfigfed on Jun 22, 2023 23:33:39 GMT -5
As I’ve said all day, as some stated in the thread…HUBRIS bro.
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Post by J. Hova on Jun 23, 2023 0:37:04 GMT -5
I realize this is out of my wheelhouse, but a quick rule of thumb, TRUST THE ENGINEERS.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 23, 2023 2:05:32 GMT -5
It's a bit ghoulish, but I genuinely wonder if anyone's been an asshole enough with a radio station to be giving Thomas Dolby's "One of Our Submarines" airplay due to all of this. (Thomas' uncle's death on a submarine being on very, very difference circumstances aside, I could see someone doing it.)
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 23, 2023 2:57:28 GMT -5
And, of course, the "go woke, go broke" crowd have proven there's no depths they won't sink to (I tried to avoid the pun) to push their agenda and seized upon a video where the CEO talked about not hiring "50 year-old white guys" because it's "not inspirational." Or – and just hear me out on this – maybe it was because the 50 year-old white guys were telling the CEO his janky submersible was a death trap? If you live in a big city where rent has exploded, there is a real anti-billionaire sentiment. People making $70-80k/year and still only barely affording rent has left many angry at the system, and have just lost all sympathy for for billionaires who escape to tax havens, like three of the passengers on that ship. I also don't think many were impressed that taxpayer money went into paying for the rescue of people who have skirted these regulations, and did not even bother to get this program regulated by either the Canadian or US government, despite operating on their shores. Not wishing death on anyone, but explaining why people feel this way The gulf in reaction between this and the other recent maritime tragedy has also rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. No expense was spared to try to locate and save them as opposed to the hundred of lives lost in the Mediterranean where the initial reaction by the authorities was to shrug followed by the usual ugly sentiments. Multiple nations threw public money into saving five people and the world's press will be covering this for years, meanwhile hundreds died a few weeks ago and people sat on their hands. I feel sympathy for the families, but this was completely avoidable, the warnings were there, friends of the passengers withdrew after seeing how amateurish it was, and their concerns went ignored for a trip that was just tragedy tourism.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 23, 2023 3:21:37 GMT -5
If I'm taking a trip to a place where literally any minor malfunction leads to death... the absolute last words I want to hear from the people setting it up is something along the lines of Safety is for nerds... regulations exist for a damned reason and most of those reasons were written with blood. This submersible was shoddy at best. I’ve seen at least two other people that tried to do this ride say that their voyages were delayed due to electrical and other issues with one guy opting not to go at all and the other trip being called off before they hit depth. If I were a billionaire and wanted to take a submarine to see the Titanic I wouldn’t ride on that piece of shit. Could probably make a nice donation and get a ride on a real military submarine. One where you could stand up, there’s a bathroom and food, and you know that it is going to hold up to the rigors of the ocean. RIP to the victims though. Military submarines don't have windows though. A, uh, passenger sub that can hit the kind of depths OceanGate was going for would have enormous commercial potential. Unfortunate that it sounds like they basically shoved people into their first draft and started operations. the Oceangate sub really didn't have a window either. It had one about the size of a dinner plate, the idea was you looked through the monitors mostly to see the wreckage. Which if that's the case... Disney World that shit, drop the sub like 20 feet into the water... shake it a bit and have like footage of the wreckage play on the TV... no one would f***ing know... hell send drone down there to film the wreckage and watch it from the ship... you'll get the same view, and you won't be shoved into a small metal tube to do it. Which can be seen on Take Me to Titanic: Part 2, where the issue was bypassed by steering while holding the game controller sideways. I know a lot of people keep dunking on the controller, but honestly I get using a game controller, it's an interface generations have gotten used to. Hell, the US Military pilots drones with Xbox controllers because the pilots grew up using them to pilot aircraft in games. What I can complain about is the WIRELESS off brand controller. Even wired would have been fine. Relying on a battery and a Bluetooth signal when you don't have a backup is madness when there are patently better options. My understanding is the Military mainly uses those controllers for cameras. They control the periscope on subs for instance... they don't USUALLY use them to actually pilot the vehicles. We're definitely going to see how well their "This is an uncertified experimental craft, it might kill you" waiver holds up in court. Hopefully the CEO’s blatant disregard to safety standards, which was caught on camera no less, completely nullifies the waiver. There’s a difference in say dying in something that while risky upholds all the safety standards possible, meaning the risk was on the person who signed the waiver, vs dying in something that intentionally zigged where all the safety rules said to zag, simply because the creator “liked to break rules”. In the latter the risk should be on the builder because the waiver signee didn’t know just how compromised the vehicle was. His talking on all the stuff he did including buying a lot of parts at "Camper world", firing someone that pointed out the small window they idd have was not rated for the depths they wanted, not having the sub inspected for microfractures... and basically literally everything he did would almost certainly fall under "Gross Negligence" on top of all of this... they were most assuredly not permitted to be at the Titanic wreck which is a UNESCO Heritage Site and has all sorts of red tape in going as a tourist... including needing permission from like Britain, Canada and hte United States... which considering literally everything I doubt they put any writing in asking if it was ok. I will say of the horrible endings this is absolutely the best case scenario, they were crushed instantly and probably didn't even know it happened. The alternative is sitting on the bottom of the ocean running out of air, and slowly suffocating waiting to die.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 23, 2023 7:15:58 GMT -5
Another best case scenario on this is that it happened when it did with the one small group. Imagine if this had been under circumstances when they were doing multiple trips in short proximity of each other.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 23, 2023 8:52:46 GMT -5
This thing is now about James Cameron somehow.
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Post by Stu on Jun 23, 2023 9:46:19 GMT -5
This thing is now about James Cameron somehow. When it comes to major news events (particularly tragedies), all angles are explored and get segments of coverage. And it's no surprise Cameron is involved, given he made the movie, became an expert on ocean exploration and visited the wreckage numerous times. In the grand scheme of things, his share of coverage and attention will last a day and be a fragment of the overall coverage of this story.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 23, 2023 10:55:35 GMT -5
Warning signs were there. A delusional CEO talking about living on the edge, taking risks, pushing the limits, regulations are unnecessary etc....That kind of Ted Faro shit might sound cool to the bros but it doesn't fool nature.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jun 23, 2023 11:00:22 GMT -5
Warning signs were there. A delusional CEO talking about living on the edge, taking risks, pushing the limits, regulations are unnecessary etc....That kind of Ted Faro shit might sound cool to the bros but it doesn't fool nature. See, I was thinking more along the lines of him fitting into the Bioshock universe, but that comparison works as well
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jun 23, 2023 11:27:19 GMT -5
This thing is now about James Cameron somehow. I mean, should it not be? What other deep sea explorers of public profile are there to talk to? Who have designed subs, know Titanic - I imagine the entire sector is happy someone of Cameron's stature can go on air and make the appropriate criticisms of this dipshit company while defending the safety record and value of real submarine exploration.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 23, 2023 11:43:34 GMT -5
This thing is now about James Cameron somehow. I mean, should it not be? What other deep sea explorers of public profile are there to talk to? Who have designed subs, know Titanic - I imagine the entire sector is happy someone of Cameron's stature can go on air and make the appropriate criticisms of this dipshit company while defending the safety record and value of real submarine exploration. Sure, but seeing his face/name in 80% of the articles on my news feed seems a bit much to me. And does anything as unbelievably niche as submarine Titanic exploration need a defense when 1) as far as I know this hasn't happened before and 2) 0.01 of the population could even afford to do it anyway.
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