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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 7, 2023 16:40:25 GMT -5
Tony has been getting roasted a lot. Was firing Punk the right move? Yes the issue I have is Tony needs to learn to be hard nose. The crap that happened with Punk a year ago or more. With the Elite and ext should have been dealt with way back than. Did Page screw up by taking the shot in a promo? Yes. Has Page done or said a word since that accident? No. However that issue should have been squashed if Punk acted like an adult and he and Page sat down and talked it out. The Same issues with The Bucks, the Bucks I blame them for not wanting to talk. I say the Bucks because Omega ben reported was willing to work with Punk. The issue is NOT all Punk's fault. The Bucks and Omega by taking the shots at Punk from the firing. And before. Shows they should NOT be EVP. Which as full time wrestlers they shouldn't be anyway. But the taunting and refusing to work anything out. Thats on both sides and it seems like all reports have said the Bucks said no. When asked if they would meet with Punk.
At the end Punk is gone because AEW backstage couldn't make it work and he couldn't either. Even though on paper it looked like a perfect match at the start.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 7, 2023 16:47:25 GMT -5
The Bucks not wanting to talk to the guy who assaulted them at work in front of the Head of Legal and the Head of Talent Relations is completely valid and nothing to fault them over.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 7, 2023 16:54:23 GMT -5
How the f*** do we STILL have posts trying to blame The Elite for shit and saying they shouldn't be EVP's?
The Bucks tried to work shit out when Scrumgate happened, they literally went to Punk with the head of legal and got ASSAULTED for it
Anyone trying to spin this some other way I am just completely baffled by at this point. It feels like a crazy roundabout way for people who always hated The Young Bucks to be justified in something bad happening to them because they did one thing where they were heels in a city they knew would eat them alive and still lost the damn match anyway! Despite the fact that just about every damn thing that happened before and since that event, either was because of Punk and his friends, or when it comes to the reason Punk got fired, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.
Actually getting angry that they ignored the problem, which was CM Punk, and tried to go on with their lives and it's their apparent fault CM Punk then assaulted another man and tried to go after their boss because they didn't want to interact with someone who caused them actual grief repeatedly, isn't some condemnation of their character, it actually makes them much bigger men than most of us.
"AEW Backstage couldn't make it work" is one of the most insane statements of all time. He got his OWN SHOW. He could do literally whatever he wanted. He BANNED PEOPLE, he tried to get people fired, they gave the dude who bit someone BACKSTAGE, legitimately f*** that, they did everything in their power to make it work, the person who didn't want anything to work was CM Punk. And anyone trying to still go "BUT THE YOUNG BUCKS" just comes off so f***ing ridiculous at this point tbh
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 7, 2023 16:58:25 GMT -5
"If only CM Punk and The Elite could have talked things out before, then CM Punk wouldn't have assaulted Jack Perry over a dispute over Real Glass" legit makes my head hurt lmfao
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Post by rajaah on Sept 7, 2023 20:18:11 GMT -5
Tony should have fired Punk last year after Brawl Out, but at least Tony finally did it. "We're all learning here, Tony" Took Tony a year to learn how to deal with situations like these. "We're all learning here, Tony" sounds kind of like a snide backhand in retrospect. Also note how Punk repeatedly gestures at Tony when he's describing "incompetent people who couldn't manage a Target" and "empty-headed dumb f***s", which I'm shocked I've never really seen anyone talking about. And how when Punk gets up from the desk he doesn't even take the World Title with him, Tony has to get his attention and hand it to him. Like the title was the very last thing on the guy's mind...right after he won it. You just won the world title, your press conference should be about how great that is and building up the prestige of the world title and how happy you are right now. Like how WWE always takes new pictures of people when they win a title, with them doing these giant s***-eating grins like they're on cloud nine. It's by design to prop up the importance of the titles. Punk just totally ignored the world title for a whole press conference. Moxley must have been pissed-off.
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Post by rajaah on Sept 7, 2023 20:30:27 GMT -5
I'm just bringing this back again because this is hilarious. So Punk has been personally speaking to SRS for months and feeding him stories. I think most of us guessed that Punk (or people on his behalf) were constantly running to the dirtsheets and SRS has just confirmed it. Tremendous. Accusations really are confessions. I wonder if SRS feels comfortable outing him due to it being unlikely Punk is going to be a major player in wrestling ever again, or what. I know "never say never" and "Survivor Series is in Chicago" and all that, but I'd be shocked if SRS or anyone else in the know actually thinks Punk will be back. Guy's done. Goose is cooked. That ship sailed. Not only do like 7 out of 8 WWE main eventers not want him there, two of their big three think he's a cancer (Seth and Cody) and the third is willing to tolerate him to make money but nothing else. So bringing him on: A) Risks upsetting most of your main eventers, messing up a remarkably tranquil locker room B) Risks causing more combativeness and headaches, as evidenced by his treatment of noted Nicest Guy In Wrestling Adam Page C) Increases the likelihood people like Seth, Kevin, Sami, Styles, and maybe even Drew end up bouncing from the company, given that all of those guys probably factored Punk into their choices not to become All Elite D) Drastically reduces the chances of a whole bunch of people joining/returning to WWE in the future. Jericho, Omega, Hangman, MJF, Britt Baker, Moxley, for starters. No way the Young Bucks go to WWE with him there, which also locks out Omega (who might be WWE's most-wanted AEW talent, besides MJF) I don't see WWE having any interest in Punk at all, even just for short-term controversy. I forgot E) He gets injured every other match.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Sept 7, 2023 21:07:48 GMT -5
I wonder if SRS feels comfortable outing him due to it being unlikely Punk is going to be a major player in wrestling ever again, or what. I know "never say never" and "Survivor Series is in Chicago" and all that, but I'd be shocked if SRS or anyone else in the know actually thinks Punk will be back. Guy's done. Goose is cooked. That ship sailed. Not only do like 7 out of 8 WWE main eventers not want him there, two of their big three think he's a cancer (Seth and Cody) and the third is willing to tolerate him to make money but nothing else. So bringing him on: A) Risks upsetting most of your main eventers, messing up a remarkably tranquil locker room B) Risks causing more combativeness and headaches, as evidenced by his treatment of noted Nicest Guy In Wrestling Adam Page C) Increases the likelihood people like Seth, Kevin, Sami, Styles, and maybe even Drew end up bouncing from the company, given that all of those guys probably factored Punk into their choices not to become All Elite D) Drastically reduces the chances of a whole bunch of people joining/returning to WWE in the future. Jericho, Omega, Hangman, MJF, Britt Baker, Moxley, for starters. No way the Young Bucks go to WWE with him there, which also locks out Omega (who might be WWE's most-wanted AEW talent, besides MJF) I don't see WWE having any interest in Punk at all, even just for short-term controversy. I forgot E) He gets injured every other match. If wwe brings in punk it should be a 2 year deal at most
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Sept 7, 2023 21:39:33 GMT -5
Tony has been getting roasted a lot. Was firing Punk the right move? Yes the issue I have is Tony needs to learn to be hard nose. The crap that happened with Punk a year ago or more. With the Elite and ext should have been dealt with way back than. Did Page screw up by taking the shot in a promo? Yes. Has Page done or said a word since that accident? No. However that issue should have been squashed if Punk acted like an adult and he and Page sat down and talked it out. The Same issues with The Bucks, the Bucks I blame them for not wanting to talk. I say the Bucks because Omega ben reported was willing to work with Punk. The issue is NOT all Punk's fault. The Bucks and Omega by taking the shots at Punk from the firing. And before. Shows they should NOT be EVP. Which as full time wrestlers they shouldn't be anyway. But the taunting and refusing to work anything out. Thats on both sides and it seems like all reports have said the Bucks said no. When asked if they would meet with Punk. At the end Punk is gone because AEW backstage couldn't make it work and he couldn't either. Even though on paper it looked like a perfect match at the start.
Can someone please explain to me what Adam Page said that was so bad?
I've seen the promo. Multiple times. Literally all he did was take a shot at Punk that seemed perfectly within kayfabe until Punk himself got sand in his ass about it.
I just... I don't think the Punk fans are trolling, I really don't, but it's such a disconnect for me to try to wrap my head around what ADAM PAGE specifically did here.
Blaming one line for Punk showing his whole ass is some leaps in logic that are Olympic level
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Sept 7, 2023 21:54:12 GMT -5
The Page promo was also super tame versus what MJF and Eddie were routinely dropping on Punk as well.
Literally cannot believe this is what set the ball in motion and absolutely shat all over the greatest comeback run this side of HBK.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 7, 2023 22:17:38 GMT -5
The Page promo was also super tame versus what MJF and Eddie were routinely dropping on Punk as well. Literally cannot believe this is what set the ball in motion and absolutely shat all over the greatest comeback run this side of HBK. Moxley outright ethered him ON THE SAME TOPIC with the “fragile mind, fragile ego” comment (which proved to be prophetic). We’re talking in circles, but I’ll just say it again. I don’t understand how someone can say with a straight face that the Young Bucks are “to blame” for “not being willing to sit down and talk to Punk.” I try not to criticize subjective opinions, but that’s just not a valid opinion, at all. First of all, Punk literally assaulted them and they had no obligation to work with him after that. Second of all, kowtowing to Punk and “sitting down and talking to him” after he goaded them into it would have just been giving a malignant narcissist what he wants and would have likely made everything worse. I know Cornette hates the guys and everything, but there’s just absolutely no valid basis to try and hold them accountable for Punk melting down at all. It’s been essentially conclusively proven that they had nothing to do with it.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 7, 2023 22:26:50 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 7, 2023 22:45:23 GMT -5
The Page promo was also super tame versus what MJF and Eddie were routinely dropping on Punk as well. Literally cannot believe this is what set the ball in motion and absolutely shat all over the greatest comeback run this side of HBK. It still wasn't Him not paying Cabana's legal fees, as promised, and destroying one of his closest friendships over it, put that ball in motion Legit every single thing that has happened, can be traced back to how CM Punk feels he was wronged by Colt Cabana, including Scrumgate, which started when he started grilling a dude he THOUGHT was friends with Colt, didn't even ask a question about Colt. Or even before that, when one dude chanted Colt Cabana at him and he called him something like a "Fat Virgin" live on television and had to promptly apologize People wanna blame The Elite, people wanna blame Jack Perry, people wanna blame Tony Khan... but the thing that has put CM Punk in a headspace he's seemingly been in for almost a decade now, was turning one of his best friends into a bitter enemy over a broken promise... now he can't trust anyone, and has to make the world his enemy, and it's going SUPER well for him...
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 7, 2023 22:49:14 GMT -5
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Post by khali on Sept 7, 2023 23:30:13 GMT -5
I feel like I’m on a different planet when anyone brings up Page as a problem here. He made inside comment during a promo to a guy who spent the bulk of his fame making inside insults in promos. Punk has said worse things in promos to just about everyone!
Anyway, it’s amazing to think about how different everything would be if Punk and Cabana had stayed friends.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 7, 2023 23:36:27 GMT -5
I feel like I’m on a different planet when anyone brings up Page as a problem here. He made inside comment during a promo to a guy who spent the bulk of his fame making inside insults in promos. Punk has said worse things in promos to just about everyone! Anyway, it’s amazing to think about how different everything would be if Punk and Cabana had stayed friends. Even if Cabana had never been employed by AEW Which I'm glad he is, and I hope they use him more now that Punk's gone. It all started because of him, it got this way because of him breaking a promise, it's really sad to see just how much it's cost Punk, way more money than I imagine Colt's legal fees actually wound up being...
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 7, 2023 23:37:04 GMT -5
Did Page screw up by taking the shot in a promo? Yes. Has Page done or said a word since that accident? No. However that issue should have been squashed if Punk acted like an adult and he and Page sat down and talked it out. They did. I just really, really need to stress that they did. Punk and Page talked this out in May of 2022, before Double or Nothing. This was done. They did this. They talked about it and everyoen involved believed the issue had been addressed, aside from CM Punk. I need to keep banging on about this because people keep saying it as if this didn't happen but it did happen. The meeting happened. Everyoen came away from the meeting believing the issue was resolved until months later when Punk came back and called out Hangman. From this sentence onward, your post is riddled with holes because it's sits from a presumption that this did not happen when it very definitely did. Maybe the meeting not leading to anything and then an attempt to talk to Punk leading to them being assaulted is why The Bucks no longer wish to work with Punk, and just statically claiming "Well they don't want to talk to him and that's a bad thing" without interrogating it any further is missing a lot of the actual context of what happened and what Punk has been doing with people he settled matters with only to spend the next year afterward shitting on him anyway.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 7, 2023 23:39:25 GMT -5
Did Page screw up by taking the shot in a promo? Yes. Has Page done or said a word since that accident? No. However that issue should have been squashed if Punk acted like an adult and he and Page sat down and talked it out. They did. I just really, really need to stress that they did. Punk and Page talked this out in May of 2022, before Double or Nothing. This was done. They did this. They talked about it and everyoen involved believed the issue had been addressed, aside from CM Punk. I need to keep banging on about this because people keep saying it as if this didn't happen but it did happen. The meeting happened. Everyoen came away from the meeting believing the issue was resolved until months later when Punk came back and called out Hangman. From this sentence onward, your post is riddled with holes because it's sits from a presumption that this did not happen when it very definitely did. Maybe the meeting not leading to anything and then an attempt to talk to Punk leading to them being assaulted is why The Bucks no longer wish to work with Punk, and just statically claiming "Well they don't want to talk to him and that's a bad thing" without interrogating it any further is missing a lot of the actual context of what happened and what Punk has been doing with people he settled matters with only to spend the next year afterward shitting on him anyway. Man we still have people claiming Omega drank a Pepsi on BTE, I don't even think the actual Wall from WCW was this dense.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 8, 2023 1:27:37 GMT -5
If the Bucks had sat down with Punk for a meeting after all of this, it likely would have made things worse as Punk would have taken offence at something they said and gone to Hausman or others with stories about the meeting.
They did the right thing just avoiding him completely.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 8, 2023 2:18:54 GMT -5
If the Bucks had sat down with Punk for a meeting after all of this, it likely would have made things worse as Punk would have taken offence at something they said and gone to Hausman or others with stories about the meeting. They did the right thing just avoiding him completely. And here's the thing, people going "Oh if they talked to him, it all would have been smoothed over, he would have changed and everything would have been fine!" The incident with Jack Perry did not have a single fraction of a percent to do with The Elite, not one, single thing. It happened on Collision, a show they were banned from, it happened with Jack Perry, a guy who isn't a part of The Elite's circle, the incident itself involved a glass spot cleared by creative but Punk didn't like. This culminated in a fight between them, which spilled out to involve Tony Khan, Samoa Joe, and in Tony's words "multiple staff and innocent people". If Punk's entire purpose of wanting to meet up with the Elite was to show he was a changed man and that things would be different now, he himself proved EXACTLY why they were right, and professional in completely ignoring his ass, because he took himself out, and proved to the entire world he's the problem Well, most of the world anyway, the part of the world that isn't driving by a fire and asking themselves "How is this The Elite's fault??"
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 8, 2023 2:24:43 GMT -5
The Bucks not wanting to talk to the guy who assaulted them at work in front of the Head of Legal and the Head of Talent Relations is completely valid and nothing to fault them over. Really important to stress that people aren't wrong for not forgiving someone who attacked them. Nobody is owed forgiveness, you aren't 'responsible for it'. Punk genuinely acted more like a scorned abusive ex than a co-worker with all the pressure tactics he tried to get The Bucks to play ball with him over. Calling them out publicly, trying to get them to work Wembley with him, trying to muscle in to meetings with FTR. It's creepy and the way Punk got madder about it over time is f***ed up and weird. Punk was free to work with and speak to any of the over 100 other wrestlers in AEW and that wasn't enough for him. That's weird. People complaining they were wrong for having boundaries are weird.
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