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Post by Chiral on Sept 8, 2023 23:14:13 GMT -5
Like I said, I haven’t seen the posts you’re referring to. Feel free to send them my way and I’ll weigh in I’m the problem, it’s me. I thought I could have a conversation and give my thoughts and opinions and was piled on. Instead of engaging I walked away from the thread.
It does disappoint me that this board has turned into and us v them mentality when it comes to The Elite and Punk. I do miss being able to talk wrestling and yes I haven’t been a regular poster in a bit , but I still love it. I’m passionate about wrestling , and beyond excited and happy for the guys that I watched perform in the American Legion Hall are now the stars of today. But you wouldn’t know that if you were not a fan of Punk. Because then, you’re paintbrushed. I have learned not to bring up the Meltz (unless it’s about how he speaks about women, I can still be disgusted about that right?) or Punk, honestly. It is pretty odd how ex-IWC darling Punk is now the old school veteran that’s always wrong. Die the hero or live long enough to the villian, thanks Nolan. This board was huge for me I’m 2007 or so, helping me get through a lot of personal issues and I made real friends here. But maybe time has passed me by and I don’t belong. And if I don’t post on this board I’m sure a lot of you will be happy. And that’s ok. I’m still a fan. And if this is too inside baseball, feel free to Perry me (suspend you know). I will add that I never banner or warned anyone out of spite. It’s usually trolls or locking things when they get heated until the heat subsides. But wow. This board is a different beast than it used to be. I still love the Young Bucks and watch every BTE, and I’ll still be entertained by Punk. He’s still a huge draw, too, which speaks about his talent. Sure, he didn’t make it the ufc but who expected him to? Tony’s still learning and this whole ordeal has been a bad situation with bad consequences. Anyway, don’t know where I was going with this. Went off track a bit ago. Anyone have any muffins? I wasn't even talking about Elite vs. Punk in the post you quoted of mine in that thread, I was making a dumb joke about how instead of responding to what TK said, Punk camp went after Meltzer. You turned that into a Punk vs. Elite thing on your own lol But you didn't show up, call us all toxic bitches festering in our hypocrite loserdom, then leave, so it wasn't the harshest thing a mod did in that thread at all either.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 8, 2023 23:45:55 GMT -5
Barely catching up with this thread; what a ride So much shit about Punk in AEW is going to come out. I know "never say never" and "Survivor Series is in Chicago" and all that, but I'd be shocked if SRS or anyone else in the know actually thinks Punk will be back. Guy's done. Goose is cooked. That ship sailed. Not only do like 7 out of 8 WWE main eventers not want him there, two of their big three think he's a cancer (Seth and Cody) and the third is willing to tolerate him to make money but nothing else. So bringing him on: A) Risks upsetting most of your main eventers, messing up a remarkably tranquil locker room B) Risks causing more combativeness and headaches, as evidenced by his treatment of noted Nicest Guy In Wrestling Adam Page C) Increases the likelihood people like Seth, Kevin, Sami, Styles, and maybe even Drew end up bouncing from the company, given that all of those guys probably factored Punk into their choices not to become All Elite D) Drastically reduces the chances of a whole bunch of people joining/returning to WWE in the future. Jericho, Omega, Hangman, MJF, Britt Baker, Moxley, for starters. No way the Young Bucks go to WWE with him there, which also locks out Omega (who might be WWE's most-wanted AEW talent, besides MJF) I don't see WWE having any interest in Punk at all, even just for short-term controversy. I forgot E) He gets injured every other match. If wwe brings in punk it should be a 2 year deal at most You’re pretty much right. But I still can see them gambling with him if he keeps his head down for a year or so. And I’d make that shit a one year contract. Give him the Goldberg. The Page promo was also super tame versus what MJF and Eddie were routinely dropping on Punk as well. Literally cannot believe this is what set the ball in motion and absolutely shat all over the greatest comeback run this side of HBK. Hangman wasn’t capping when he said “I’ll be defending AEW from you” that night, that’s for damn sure.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 8, 2023 23:49:48 GMT -5
Like I said, I haven’t seen the posts you’re referring to. Feel free to send them my way and I’ll weigh in I’m the problem, it’s me. I thought I could have a conversation and give my thoughts and opinions and was piled on. Instead of engaging I walked away from the thread. It does disappoint me that this board has turned into and us v them mentality when it comes to The Elite and Punk. I do miss being able to talk wrestling and yes I haven’t been a regular poster in a bit , but I still love it. I’m passionate about wrestling , and beyond excited and happy for the guys that I watched perform in the American Legion Hall are now the stars of today. But you wouldn’t know that if you were not a fan of Punk. Because then, you’re paintbrushed. I have learned not to bring up the Meltz (unless it’s about how he speaks about women, I can still be disgusted about that right?) or Punk, honestly. It is pretty odd how ex-IWC darling Punk is now the old school veteran that’s always wrong. Die the hero or live long enough to the villian, thanks Nolan. This board was huge for me I’m 2007 or so, helping me get through a lot of personal issues and I made real friends here. But maybe time has passed me by and I don’t belong. And if I don’t post on this board I’m sure a lot of you will be happy. And that’s ok. I’m still a fan. And if this is too inside baseball, feel free to Perry me (suspend you know). I will add that I never banner or warned anyone out of spite. It’s usually trolls or locking things when they get heated until the heat subsides. But wow. This board is a different beast than it used to be. I still love the Young Bucks and watch every BTE, and I’ll still be entertained by Punk. He’s still a huge draw, too, which speaks about his talent. Sure, he didn’t make it the ufc but who expected him to? Tony’s still learning and this whole ordeal has been a bad situation with bad consequences. Anyway, don’t know where I was going with this. Went off track a bit ago. Anyone have any muffins? It's definitely changed a lot. People I would have considered friends with back then don't talk to me at all now (and to be fair, I don't really talk to them either... life's like that sometimes), and I don't really want to go into some sort of deep analysis of all that. But at the same time, even then, people were never a monolith. I've never been a fan of Punk, even back then, just as an example. More often than not lately, I don't feel like I fit in much, but I'm getting old, that's the nature of the beast. I'm not as interested in wrestling as I used to be, since NXT black-and-gold died, even moreso since I had to cancel my NJPW World sub, and without cable, I mostly keep up through Youtube clips (and catch the occasional major event when I can), but I haven't completely fallen away from it yet. I guess I'm not 100% sure where I'm going with this, either...
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Sept 9, 2023 17:40:02 GMT -5
I do find it pretty distressing just how many people seem to genuinely believe that if someone's talking shit about you and you respond by attacking them that they're the bad guy. I'm certainly not defending it, but moments before he's about to open "the biggest wrestling show in history" against a man he's feuded with on and off for 20 years. Add that onto how Punk is anyway and I can understand how the adrenaline (and stress) was at an all time high. I used to get stressed out before shows with 100 people in the crowd, can't imagine going out in front of 80k. Punk made a massive mistake but it's not exactly the same as 'clobbering' Jeff from accounting because he used the same teaspoon he used in the coffee jar in the sugar bowl. I know it won't be but there's literally no reason that "the Bucks were willing to talk to and work with Punk if he could keep it together for six months" shouldn't be the final nail in the coffin of "oh the Bucks are at fault for not hashing it out with him". The only thing that confuses me about all this is the alleged meeting The Bucks bailed on just days before All In. If that was true then they were either willing to meet and got cold feet, or they were just messing him around. I’m the problem, it’s me. I thought I could have a conversation and give my thoughts and opinions and was piled on. Instead of engaging I walked away from the thread.
It does disappoint me that this board has turned into and us v them mentality when it comes to The Elite and Punk. I do miss being able to talk wrestling and yes I haven’t been a regular poster in a bit , but I still love it. I’m passionate about wrestling , and beyond excited and happy for the guys that I watched perform in the American Legion Hall are now the stars of today. But you wouldn’t know that if you were not a fan of Punk. Because then, you’re paintbrushed. I have learned not to bring up the Meltz (unless it’s about how he speaks about women, I can still be disgusted about that right?) or Punk, honestly. It is pretty odd how ex-IWC darling Punk is now the old school veteran that’s always wrong. Die the hero or live long enough to the villian, thanks Nolan. This board was huge for me I’m 2007 or so, helping me get through a lot of personal issues and I made real friends here. But maybe time has passed me by and I don’t belong. And if I don’t post on this board I’m sure a lot of you will be happy. And that’s ok. I’m still a fan. And if this is too inside baseball, feel free to Perry me (suspend you know). I will add that I never banner or warned anyone out of spite. It’s usually trolls or locking things when they get heated until the heat subsides. But wow. This board is a different beast than it used to be. I still love the Young Bucks and watch every BTE, and I’ll still be entertained by Punk. He’s still a huge draw, too, which speaks about his talent. Sure, he didn’t make it the ufc but who expected him to? Tony’s still learning and this whole ordeal has been a bad situation with bad consequences. Anyway, don’t know where I was going with this. Went off track a bit ago. Anyone have any muffins? I wasn't even talking about Elite vs. Punk in the post you quoted of mine in that thread, I was making a dumb joke about how instead of responding to what TK said, Punk camp went after Meltzer. You turned that into a Punk vs. Elite thing on your own lol But you didn't show up, call us all toxic bitches festering in our hypocrite loserdom, then leave, so it wasn't the harshest thing a mod did in that thread at all either. Forgive me if I'm missing something, but I don't see anything wrong with saying there's 3 sides to the story. While I'm sure it leans heavily on The Bucks side of truth, it usually is somewhere inbetween.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 9, 2023 18:29:36 GMT -5
I do find it pretty distressing just how many people seem to genuinely believe that if someone's talking shit about you and you respond by attacking them that they're the bad guy. I'm certainly not defending it, but moments before he's about to open "the biggest wrestling show in history" against a man he's feuded with on and off for 20 years. Add that onto how Punk is anyway and I can understand how the adrenaline (and stress) was at an all time high. I used to get stressed out before shows with 100 people in the crowd, can't imagine going out in front of 80k. Punk made a massive mistake but it's not exactly the same as 'clobbering' Jeff from accounting because he used the same teaspoon he used in the coffee jar in the sugar bowl. I know it won't be but there's literally no reason that "the Bucks were willing to talk to and work with Punk if he could keep it together for six months" shouldn't be the final nail in the coffin of "oh the Bucks are at fault for not hashing it out with him". The only thing that confuses me about all this is the alleged meeting The Bucks bailed on just days before All In. If that was true then they were either willing to meet and got cold feet, or they were just messing him around. I wasn't even talking about Elite vs. Punk in the post you quoted of mine in that thread, I was making a dumb joke about how instead of responding to what TK said, Punk camp went after Meltzer. You turned that into a Punk vs. Elite thing on your own lol But you didn't show up, call us all toxic bitches festering in our hypocrite loserdom, then leave, so it wasn't the harshest thing a mod did in that thread at all either. Forgive me if I'm missing something, but I don't see anything wrong with saying there's 3 sides to the story. While I'm sure it leans heavily on The Bucks side of truth, it usually is somewhere inbetween. To the last point, that Mod also said we were all Elite and Meltzer defenders/apologists so they couldn't give a real take or opinion, and they've doubled down on that by saying this board is being turned into an "Us vs Them" mentality No it isn't, Mods are the ones getting aggressive with the users, at least they were in THAT thread, and it wasn't exactly a good look for Mods to be doing, even if they were frustrated, you're supposed to be keeping the peace, not giving people further reason to disrupt it imo It was just not handled in a sensible way, I'm not saying it was intentionally malicious, but it was worded and handled less than optimally from my and other users perspectives.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 9, 2023 18:35:27 GMT -5
I didnt want name anyone in the thread for a reason. I sent any relevant post to Stu, lets leave it that.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 9, 2023 18:39:57 GMT -5
Like I said, I haven’t seen the posts you’re referring to. Feel free to send them my way and I’ll weigh in It does disappoint me that this board has turned into and us v them mentality when it comes to The Elite and Punk. I do miss being able to talk wrestling and yes I haven’t been a regular poster in a bit , but I still love it. I’m passionate about wrestling , and beyond excited and happy for the guys that I watched perform in the American Legion Hall are now the stars of today. But you wouldn’t know that if you were not a fan of Punk. Because then, you’re paintbrushed. I have learned not to bring up the Meltz (unless it’s about how he speaks about women, I can still be disgusted about that right?) or Punk, honestly. It is pretty odd how ex-IWC darling Punk is now the old school veteran that’s always wrong. Die the hero or live long enough to the villian, thanks Nolan. You can still discuss wrestling here. I don't know why that's suddenly being contested that you can't. It's not an "Us vs Them" when it comes to The Elite vs Punk, it's defending and shooting down absolutely insane takes that refer to The Bucks when it comes from CM Punk's camp and defenders. A large portion of them do not make sense in regards to the context of the situation, and when things get debunked, it doesn't matter, because those takes still persist, and it annoys people. Saying they should be fired or that they were in the wrong constantly when there is a mountain of counters to those assessments, this has likely come from plenty of users who aren't even huge fans of the Bucks, but they are huge fans of common sense. I defended Punk for awhile on this board, I played neutral, I gave him benefits of the doubt, because I myself did not want to believe he could actually just be THIS even after Brawl Out. I thought he'd change, I thought things would get better. No one persuaded me to change that outlook except for one guy... CM Punk. I haven't seen one user here say you cannot still be a fan of CM Punk's in ring work or his wrestling or the stuff he did in the past. In fact in the "How will Punk be remembered in 10 years?" thread, a large portion of us said he was one of the greatest of his era, while acknowledging he has completely ruined his reputation and aura in the present for obvious reasons You seem to be painting with a wide brush here and getting snide with users on this board as you did in the second Scrum thread, when they in reality, are not doing the things you're saying they're doing, and causing some divide. Even though users like Chiral have literally presented evidence to you that proves otherwise, you're saying the board has changed and you can't say this or that. I personally am on this Board almost every day and I do not see that from this discussion in particular at all, people just respond to the outlier takes, they're frustrated with those, and I can't blame them. CM Punk has no one to blame for his follies in the end but CM Punk. It's very easy for a darling to become an asshole when for a year straight he just is an asshole, constantly trying to paint himself the martyr. And that in the end really has nothing to do with Meltzer, because Punk's side is the one constantly changing his story and constantly making his side look worse in having that happen, and it constantly getting retorted not just by Meltzer, but multiple journalists and even wrestlers themselves. Discuss wrestling, enjoy wrestling, love who you want to love, but this is a public forum, and a lot has happened to guys like CM Punk to change the wide public perception of him, and if you're going to make statements at the users in this board playing favoritism or ruining your good time with statements that aren't even happening, then idk what to tell you, Mod or not, people are gonna defend themselves and how they feel, whether that's CM Punk related or not.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 9, 2023 21:39:47 GMT -5
I do find it pretty distressing just how many people seem to genuinely believe that if someone's talking shit about you and you respond by attacking them that they're the bad guy. I'm certainly not defending it, but moments before he's about to open "the biggest wrestling show in history" against a man he's feuded with on and off for 20 years. Add that onto how Punk is anyway and I can understand how the adrenaline (and stress) was at an all time high. I used to get stressed out before shows with 100 people in the crowd, can't imagine going out in front of 80k. Punk made a massive mistake but it's not exactly the same as 'clobbering' Jeff from accounting because he used the same teaspoon he used in the coffee jar in the sugar bowl. I know it won't be but there's literally no reason that "the Bucks were willing to talk to and work with Punk if he could keep it together for six months" shouldn't be the final nail in the coffin of "oh the Bucks are at fault for not hashing it out with him". The only thing that confuses me about all this is the alleged meeting The Bucks bailed on just days before All In. If that was true then they were either willing to meet and got cold feet, or they were just messing him around. Apparently, Punk brought up an idea of meeting with the Bucks, but the Bucks didn't have any interest. Punk's Minister of Information said the Bucks pulled out at the last minute from an agreed-upon meeting, but everyone else said it never even got into any sort of planning stage. Just an idea that Punk floated.
Though apparently things thawed enough between Punk and Omega where they were both open to the idea of working with each other. As exhausted I've gotten with Punk, I am sad we never got that match before Punk burned his final bridges with AEW.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 9, 2023 22:03:59 GMT -5
I'm certainly not defending it, but moments before he's about to open "the biggest wrestling show in history" against a man he's feuded with on and off for 20 years. Add that onto how Punk is anyway and I can understand how the adrenaline (and stress) was at an all time high. I used to get stressed out before shows with 100 people in the crowd, can't imagine going out in front of 80k. Punk made a massive mistake but it's not exactly the same as 'clobbering' Jeff from accounting because he used the same teaspoon he used in the coffee jar in the sugar bowl. The only thing that confuses me about all this is the alleged meeting The Bucks bailed on just days before All In. If that was true then they were either willing to meet and got cold feet, or they were just messing him around. Apparently, Punk brought up an idea of meeting with the Bucks, but the Bucks didn't have any interest. Punk's Minister of Information said the Bucks pulled out at the last minute from an agreed-upon meeting, but everyone else said it never even got into any sort of planning stage. Just an idea that Punk floated.
Though apparently things thawed enough between Punk and Omega where they were both open to the idea of working with each other. As exhausted I've gotten with Punk, I am sad we never got that match before Punk burned his final bridges with AEW.
according to the most recent news it was what people expected. Punk asked for Tony for a meeting with the Bucks, Tony said he will ask , The Elite said Nope and here we are.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 10, 2023 0:58:02 GMT -5
Having a headline talent you had to work around and run everything past to try and avoid drama or backstage blowups has proven to be unworkable time and time again in wrestling so yeah, he needed to go. Punk wasn't some rookie who didn't know better, or some grizzled veteran who had to sleep with a switchblade in his hand out of fear of being assaulted by fans or co-workers, he was given everything he ever wanted in wrestling, he was finally presented as the guy but couldn't bear the fact he wasn't able to dictate what was in other people's hearts and force those around him not to like people he's mad at.
Had he stayed, even without the blowup, it was only a matter of time until he found something or someone else to be publicly irate about, or started going 'that doesn't work for me, brother' about other people's booking.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 10, 2023 2:20:40 GMT -5
I feel like if Punk doesn't get into it with the Elite, like if they are hunky-dory for one reason or another, Punk probably winds up trying to consolidating his power by getting into it with Jericho, and we know Jericho would have been a whole lot less reluctant to indulge him on that.
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Post by daaave on Sept 10, 2023 2:59:28 GMT -5
I heard the Bucks/Punk meeting was originally meant to be Bucks/FTR to discuss upcoming match and Punk wanted to be involved.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 10, 2023 7:38:43 GMT -5
I heard the Bucks/Punk meeting was originally meant to be Bucks/FTR to discuss upcoming match and Punk wanted to be involved. That’s a separate meeting I believe. Or at least those two items were reported on separately.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 10, 2023 7:42:20 GMT -5
I heard the Bucks/Punk meeting was originally meant to be Bucks/FTR to discuss upcoming match and Punk wanted to be involved. That’s a separate meeting I believe. Or at least those two items were reported on separately. Yeh Punk tried to slide into Yb's DMs meetings multiple times
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Sept 10, 2023 9:35:16 GMT -5
I do find it pretty distressing just how many people seem to genuinely believe that if someone's talking shit about you and you respond by attacking them that they're the bad guy. There's plenty of things you COULD say that would justify getting punched in the mouth What Perry said here was NOWHERE near that though and just makes Punk look like even more unhinged
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Post by ChitownKnight on Sept 10, 2023 10:48:57 GMT -5
I’d love to see a Punk story from the last 13-14 months on the Am I the Asshole section of Reddit
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Post by markymark on Sept 15, 2023 20:59:43 GMT -5
TK really did the right decision.
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Post by Chiral on Sept 15, 2023 21:24:52 GMT -5
The face of "Do we have a f***ing problem?"
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Post by markymark on Sept 15, 2023 22:30:38 GMT -5
Survivor Series is in 2 months.
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