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Post by Tenshigure on Sept 4, 2023 22:24:15 GMT -5
The events surrounding Jack Perry's suspension and CM Punk's termination are two distinctly different events, there's no other way to look at the outcome otherwise.
Had Punk simply just gotten in Perry's face and gotten physical with him, I'm sure TK would've put him in another half-assed suspension/vacation leading into Full Gear. The fact CM Punk's demeanor escalated beyond that to a point where TK (and clearly, others) were put into a situation alleged to put fear of safety into consideration tells all honestly.
Oh and sidenote: anyone who says "Vince would've handled it otherwise/better/etc.," just stop it. We don't need to quantify whataboutism to determine whether or not the actions of a man in his mid-40s justified his immediate termination with cause. People REALLY need to separate what happens in front of the cameras and in the ring from what goes on behind the scenes.
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 5, 2023 3:25:36 GMT -5
It was regrettable that he had to do it without wearing a hat but after everything that has come out he had no other option. Punk should have gone last year, instead he had a nice rest and was literally given the world on a plate. Which he then crapped on.
I don't see how he could have done it any other way.
Apart from wearing a hat, of course.
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Post by dynamitekidd on Sept 5, 2023 5:53:35 GMT -5
Of course he made the right decision, Punk was being an a-hole, he left Tony no choice.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Sept 5, 2023 6:03:24 GMT -5
In the end he had no choice, it was the only correct decision.
Now hopefully they can iron out a lot of the underlying issues that got them here.
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Post by chronocross on Sept 5, 2023 6:56:01 GMT -5
I like Punk but I wholeheartedly agree with Tony's decision.
I also agree with Jack Perry being suspended as well.
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Post by Ganon83 on Sept 5, 2023 7:26:33 GMT -5
Should have done it when Punk refused to work with Hangman on his return, let alone putting him over as what would unironically be best for business
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2023 7:33:48 GMT -5
I know one that voted for no is a sock puppet of Jim Cornette. Show yourself!
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 5, 2023 8:19:34 GMT -5
The best time to fire CM Punk would have been a year ago. The second best time was when he did. When he sandbagged the announcement of Collision would've also been a decent time to do it.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Sept 5, 2023 9:30:32 GMT -5
Tony didn't really HAVE much of a choice.
That's the part of this that I don't understand at all out of the people wanting to draw battle lines between Elite/Punk. CM Punk assaulted a coworker. On camera. And then apparently acted like enough of an ass to make Tony Khan fearful for his safety. On camera.
What if Jack Perry had decided to press charges? What if a non-wrestling crew member got hurt from a lighting rig or some shit falling on them from Punk's temper tantrum?
People act like Tony rubbed his hands together and said "Yes, finally I get to rid myself of that no-good CM Punk!" despite the fact that he basically let Punk walk him like a dog for the better part of a year.
And billionaires, especially ones that own sports teams, tend to have reeeeeally, reaaaaallly good lawyers that will make you as risk-averse as humanly possible. Since those same lawyers said "Yeah, he's gotta go", there's got to be irrefutable evidence that Punk was the one in the wrong and had to be terminated.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Sept 5, 2023 9:53:02 GMT -5
Tony didn't really HAVE much of a choice. That's the part of this that I don't understand at all out of the people wanting to draw battle lines between Elite/Punk. CM Punk assaulted a coworker. On camera. And then apparently acted like enough of an ass to make Tony Khan fearful for his safety. On camera. What if Jack Perry had decided to press charges? What if a non-wrestling crew member got hurt from a lighting rig or some shit falling on them from Punk's temper tantrum? People act like Tony rubbed his hands together and said "Yes, finally I get to rid myself of that no-good CM Punk!" despite the fact that he basically let Punk walk him like a dog for the better part of a year. And billionaires, especially ones that own sports teams, tend to have reeeeeally, reaaaaallly good lawyers that will make you as risk-averse as humanly possible. Since those same lawyers said "Yeah, he's gotta go", there's got to be irrefutable evidence that Punk was the one in the wrong and had to be terminated. Wait where is any of this on camera stuff at?
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Post by Cyno on Sept 5, 2023 9:58:06 GMT -5
With everything building up and then exploding like this, Tony Khan didn't really much choice. Lest he ascend (descend?) to a new plane of existence beyond Bitchalla. And even before that, it was affecting the product, too, with Collision turning into Punk's little fiefdom in terms of which wrestlers could work the show or not.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 5, 2023 9:58:28 GMT -5
Tony didn't really HAVE much of a choice. That's the part of this that I don't understand at all out of the people wanting to draw battle lines between Elite/Punk. CM Punk assaulted a coworker. On camera. And then apparently acted like enough of an ass to make Tony Khan fearful for his safety. On camera. What if Jack Perry had decided to press charges? What if a non-wrestling crew member got hurt from a lighting rig or some shit falling on them from Punk's temper tantrum? People act like Tony rubbed his hands together and said "Yes, finally I get to rid myself of that no-good CM Punk!" despite the fact that he basically let Punk walk him like a dog for the better part of a year. And billionaires, especially ones that own sports teams, tend to have reeeeeally, reaaaaallly good lawyers that will make you as risk-averse as humanly possible. Since those same lawyers said "Yeah, he's gotta go", there's got to be irrefutable evidence that Punk was the one in the wrong and had to be terminated. Wait where is any of this on camera stuff at? Wembley has cameras all over. SRS and others have confirmed that the incident in Wembley was caught but doubts it'll ever see the light of day unless litigation is invovled
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2023 10:00:08 GMT -5
Great decision and the right one I just think it's unfair to say it's "his decision" as we have seen how things go when he is left up to making the decisions.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 5, 2023 10:10:50 GMT -5
Tony didn't really HAVE much of a choice. That's the part of this that I don't understand at all out of the people wanting to draw battle lines between Elite/Punk. CM Punk assaulted a coworker. On camera. And then apparently acted like enough of an ass to make Tony Khan fearful for his safety. On camera. What if Jack Perry had decided to press charges? What if a non-wrestling crew member got hurt from a lighting rig or some shit falling on them from Punk's temper tantrum? People act like Tony rubbed his hands together and said "Yes, finally I get to rid myself of that no-good CM Punk!" despite the fact that he basically let Punk walk him like a dog for the better part of a year. And billionaires, especially ones that own sports teams, tend to have reeeeeally, reaaaaallly good lawyers that will make you as risk-averse as humanly possible. Since those same lawyers said "Yeah, he's gotta go", there's got to be irrefutable evidence that Punk was the one in the wrong and had to be terminated. Wait where is any of this on camera stuff at? Probably locked in an evidence locker somewhere in anticipation of the very likely forthcoming litigation. Given the tone and tenor of Tony Khan’s final statement on Punk (i.e. “after consultation with a legal team” and “the decision was unanimously reached”) I think it’s pretty clear that camera were, in fact, running at Wembley and TK and AEW felt comfortable firing Punk “for cause,” which means they have no intention of paying out the remainder of this contract. That’s a pretty lofty thing to do if there’s no conclusive, documentary, evidence that could ultimately be shown to a Court/jury. I’m hopeful, just for the morbid fascination of it all, that the footage gets released when the inevitable litigation is all said and done, but I don’t think it’s likely we ever see it unless Punk sues AEW and it actually goes to trial. You can’t exactly get surveillance footage from a private, international, venue via open records request.
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Post by Legion on Sept 5, 2023 12:46:52 GMT -5
No, but not because I think he shouldnt have fired Punk, but because I think he needed to fire them both.
Really send out the message this backstage shit on camera, in fighting bullshit needs to end and if it doesnt, you'l be out thr door.
He could have always hired Jack back in year, but I do feel he needed to send a message and it feels like he only sent half a one.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Sept 5, 2023 12:50:57 GMT -5
The Elite obviously doctored the video to make it look like CM Punk started everything. Wake up sheeple.
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Post by Watch AEW Magnitude on Sept 5, 2023 13:01:23 GMT -5
I wouldn’t have brought him back after Brawl Out in the first place.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 5, 2023 13:06:59 GMT -5
No, but not because I think he shouldnt have fired Punk, but because I think he needed to fire them both. Really send out the message this backstage shit on camera, in fighting bullshit needs to end and if it doesnt, you'l be out thr door. He could have always hired Jack back in year, but I do feel he needed to send a message and it feels like he only sent half a one. Firing Jack Perry for an unnecessary, but ultimately innocuous, comment feels like it would have been the one thing that could have possibly made this situation worse for AEW, to me. You fire the guy, who had no known previous backstage issues at all, because a 44-year-old manchild reacted to a backhanded comment with physical violence? You want to talk about exposing the company to a wrongful termination lawsuit... Suspending Jack, and sending the message that airing out real-life drama on TV will be met with punishment, makes sense. Only Punk's conduct rose to the level of something as drastic as termination in this situation.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 5, 2023 13:14:17 GMT -5
I wouldn’t have brought him back after Brawl Out in the first place. Honestly the thing is I think there is a part of me that might have been willing to give Punk another chance, within reason, after that whole thing, if not for how in the aftermath he just kept doubling down and constantly trying to make a martyr out of himself while never showing any sort of contrition or regret whatsoever. It was still a wildly terrible thing that it's amazing he didn't see any real consequences for but it's the refusing to apologize and instead continually trying to repaint the situation to make everyone else look bad, the picking random fights with Jericho and Moxley, and the lack of any sort of apology that really got him entirely to, "F*** this guy," levels for me.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Sept 5, 2023 13:19:39 GMT -5
I’m shocked the vote is that clear
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