khali
Dennis Stamp
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Post by khali on Dec 5, 2023 18:03:23 GMT -5
I’m sure Triple H thinks having long title reigns builds prestige and makes them more important, but when so many titles are that way they actually don’t mean that much. It just means I can probably tune out Gunther, Rhea, Seth and Roman until Mania because they’ll have feuds they’ll just dominate in the meantime.
This ties into my biggest complaint about WWE right now: only the biggest shows matter. There’s going to be good matches and segments week to week, but big things and title changes aren’t going to happen except for a few times a year.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 5, 2023 18:07:01 GMT -5
Hope to god he loses it to McIntyre. Should have lost it to Balor and possibly even to Nakamura. Loses it to Drew, which opens a clear path for either Jey or Sami to win the title and give McIntyre his comeuppance. Sami I think would be the one if that scenario happens. He keeps mentioning lately that his goal is to be world champion which would be weird to do if it's not in any upcoming plans. And Jey will surely re-enter Jimmy's orbit to do that match at Wrestlemania. Things should become clearer when it's revealed whether Punk/Rollins is happening at the Rumble or being saved for Mania. If it isn't happening at the Rumble I could maybe see Drew winning the title that night with Punk screwing over Seth because he keeps talking shit about him then Punk/Seth at Mania is now a grudge match while the title match is Drew dropping to (Rumble winner?) Sami. You could even have Roman interfere in the Rumble to eliminate Cody to give Sami a kayfabe reason to not choose him. As an honorable babyface he can realize Cody was screwed and tell him to go win the chamber and get revenge on Roman and I'll take the Raw title.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Dec 5, 2023 20:21:20 GMT -5
I await this time next year when there's a thread about Cody's (hopefully) world title run being dogshit. Sheeeeeeet, he hasn't even won it yet, and I'm already tired of it!
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Dec 6, 2023 3:14:55 GMT -5
Apollo Crews should be the one to dethrone him. On an episode of Main Event.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 6, 2023 3:30:59 GMT -5
I think another issue with this whole thing thing is like… It isn’t really different at all from Seth’s US title run last year other than that he isn’t bogged down fighting Theory. He’s still the fighting face champion on Raw who’s kind of a top guy but only because Roman only does like three title matches a year anymore.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 6, 2023 3:47:47 GMT -5
All I know is they’ve waited this long so now he may as well drop the strap at a PLE instead of a Raw. But for the love of god, there is no point to wait until Mania. With plenty of weeks to go, there’s zero excuses for him losing it at the Rumble, setting up a fresh match at Mania. Plus they really need to figure out when to put the title on Priest.
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Nosnorb
El Dandy
Nachos and Fraggle Rock are TIMELESS.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 6, 2023 12:21:08 GMT -5
All I know is they’ve waited this long so now he may as well drop the strap at a PLE instead of a Raw. But for the love of god, there is no point to wait until Mania. With plenty of weeks to go, there’s zero excuses for him losing it at the Rumble, setting up a fresh match at Mania. Plus they really need to figure out when to put the title on Priest. Best time for that would have been after the Rollins/Nakamura Last Man Standing match. The second best time would be at the Rumble.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 6, 2023 12:25:49 GMT -5
If they're doing Seth/Punk, it absolutely does not need the title. Use the title to elevate somebody else (ideally a Priest cash-in)
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 6, 2023 12:35:35 GMT -5
If they're doing Seth/Punk, it absolutely does not need the title. Use the title to elevate somebody else (ideally a Priest cash-in) Have Punk directly get involved in Seth losing the title to further give Rollins something to be peeved about Punk with.
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Legion
Fry's dog Seymour
Amy Pond's #1 fan
Hail Hydra!
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Post by Legion on Dec 6, 2023 17:39:32 GMT -5
It's gone on far too long and he sucks at being a face.
So yes, I agree.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Dec 6, 2023 18:33:07 GMT -5
The main issue I have right now is that they're just blowing through all of the best challengers. Jey could have been a great Rumble feud. Sami could have been a great WM feud.
Not only are the people Rollins is facing more dynamic and interesting than him, they're just wasting potential money feuds on this poor character arc.
OC in AEW showed how amazing a fighting champion being worn down could be, this just feels meh and generic.
I've not been as critical of HHH as most, because I'll never forget what Vince booked WWE was like, but this is just ughhhhhhhh.
As others have said Punk vs. Rollins does not need the title, and WWE need to get out of this mindset that "title stays on the champ because April is the ONLY time they can MAYBE lose it".
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Post by government mule on Dec 6, 2023 18:44:46 GMT -5
Wish Trips would lose his 80's NWA boner and make some of his champions actually drop the damn belts. I get having one or two long reigns (heh) in the company but it's silly when you have effectively Reigns/Rollins/Ripley and GUNTHER doing the same damn thing, not to mention the US title now being held by a part-timer who isn't on regular TV. We're not even that far removed from the previous Bianca/Usos/Breakker mega reigns of the past so this isn't a new issue.
I get that they've somewhat booked themselves into a corner with potential WM payoffs (hah) but f***ing hell mate, make me care about the current program first.
Only thing I can hope for in this bollocks run is that Priest cashes in during a Punk/Seth fight, moves the title storyline away from their fued (which doesn't need a title) and we get something a bit different with Priest at the top heading into WM season.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 7, 2023 5:09:16 GMT -5
All I know is they’ve waited this long so now he may as well drop the strap at a PLE instead of a Raw. But for the love of god, there is no point to wait until Mania. With plenty of weeks to go, there’s zero excuses for him losing it at the Rumble, setting up a fresh match at Mania. Plus they really need to figure out when to put the title on Priest. Best time for that would have been after the Rollins/Nakamura Last Man Standing match. The second best time would be at the Rumble. He should’ve dropped it to Nakamura, for sure. Seth wasn’t going be hurt whatsoever. And Nakamura wouldn’t have been hurt having a short run. To me, this still is just a temporary title until we get the Universal and WWE Title split again. So like, just hot potato it like any regular title and it’ll make the matches exciting as the winners will be unpredictable. Nobody at all is genuinely rooting for Rollins to retain, they’re only waiting to see what fresh blood wins world title gold…
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 7, 2023 5:15:21 GMT -5
Best time for that would have been after the Rollins/Nakamura Last Man Standing match. The second best time would be at the Rumble. He should’ve dropped it to Nakamura, for sure. Seth wasn’t going be hurt whatsoever. And Nakamura wouldn’t have been hurt having a short run. To me, this still is just a temporary title until we get the Universal and WWE Title split again. So like, just hot potato it like any regular title and it’ll make the matches exciting as the winners will be unpredictable. Nobody at all is genuinely rooting for Rollins to retain, they’re only waiting to see what fresh blood wins world title gold… I feel like the Universal Championship is getting retired once Reigns drops it. It's only still technically active because that's the actual one that's he's had for 1,000+ days, not the WWE Championship.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 7, 2023 7:27:00 GMT -5
He should’ve dropped it to Nakamura, for sure. Seth wasn’t going be hurt whatsoever. And Nakamura wouldn’t have been hurt having a short run. To me, this still is just a temporary title until we get the Universal and WWE Title split again. So like, just hot potato it like any regular title and it’ll make the matches exciting as the winners will be unpredictable. Nobody at all is genuinely rooting for Rollins to retain, they’re only waiting to see what fresh blood wins world title gold… I feel like the Universal Championship is getting retired once Reigns drops it. It's only still technically active because that's the actual one that's he's had for 1,000+ days, not the WWE Championship. Well I would hope that’s not the case because that would be insane to retire that but keep Seth’s title. There’s already rich history with the Universal Championship. Meanwhile Seth’s belt is meaningless by comparison. There are kids that have been watching the product since covid, watching Reigns carry the Universal title and thinking “one day I want to win the Universal championship.” Nobody on the planet is thinking that about Seth’s.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 7, 2023 8:12:21 GMT -5
I feel like the Universal Championship is getting retired once Reigns drops it. It's only still technically active because that's the actual one that's he's had for 1,000+ days, not the WWE Championship. Well I would hope that’s not the case because that would be insane to retire that but keep Seth’s title. There’s already rich history with the Universal Championship. Meanwhile Seth’s belt is meaningless by comparison. There are kids that have been watching the product since covid, watching Reigns carry the Universal title and thinking “one day I want to win the Universal championship.” Nobody on the planet is thinking that about Seth’s. I mean, is it really that rich of a history that it can’t be gotten rid of in 2024? Like, look at it. A one-day reign for Balor because of injury, what a way to start, throwing a bunch of plans out the window. A significantly mid reign for Owens largely highlighted for Jericho doing a big gimmick. Goldberg getting a run nearly 20 years after his prime. Lesnar getting an interminable run to set up a finish with Reigns that they wussed out of at WM34 and then didn’t even really do all that convincingly at SummerSlam 2018. The belt being vacated again because of Reigns’s leukaemia returning, just to be put back on Lesnar. Rollins honest-to-goodness earning a run only to have all his goodwill drained by a feud with Corbin, another feud with Lesnar where they trade the belt, and then the one with Wyatt that had an all-time industry-leading stinker as part of it. Wyatt having a mid run that ended with ANOTHER GOLDBERG RUN. A Strowman run that he lucks into because of Reigns pulling out in the early days of COVID, and ends up being one of the most unmemorable world title runs ever. Finally he loses it back to Wyatt just for him to transition it to Reigns in literally a week for THIS run. I’m not normally someone who’s like “Get rid of the thing, it’s beyond saving”, but when you’re looking down the barrel at possibly having three world titles in the territory at the same time when you only can really logically justify two, what goes? This eight-year-old belt that has some of WWE’s smelliest ever baggage attached to it? Or this newer one that shouldn’t really exist, but hasn’t had anything more egregious than “X should’ve won” happen with it?
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Post by Corre.222 on Dec 7, 2023 8:13:37 GMT -5
Nakamura should have won.
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 7, 2023 8:16:27 GMT -5
Slightly off topic but it's fast approaching "S#!t or get off of the pot" time for Damian Priest and his MITB.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 7, 2023 8:26:57 GMT -5
Slightly off topic but it's fast approaching "S#!t or get off of the pot" time for Damian Priest and his MITB. It might almost be time to actually do that story, someone who’s been sitting on the briefcase for nearly a year and is running out of time to use it before it expires, so they either grow a set and challenge the champion straight up, or go banana in trying to conjure up situations to weaken the champion for the cash-in like they’re Wile E. Coyote.
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Post by uewfigfed on Dec 7, 2023 9:11:38 GMT -5
I just can’t believe for all his workhorsing, he was always gonna either drop to Cody if he had desired it, or captain sugarglass in Phil. I guess wwe money can make you get over petty stuff real quick lol
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