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Post by schma on Jun 4, 2024 11:51:54 GMT -5
It didn't really phase me because I looked at it as heel doing heel things, but I can see why you might question it. I'm kind of curious to see where this goes because when you look at everything, it's definitely not the story I would have figured. I thought Rhea was just manipulating Dom to screw with Rey/Edge. I figured as soon as that feud was done, they would kick him to the curb and she'd reveal it was just her manipulating him. However, people love to boo him, so they actually made him a genuine part of Judgement Day and kept them together. At this point people still love booing him, so to me it makes the most sense to have him align with Liv (though if he does, hopefully he gets rid of that stupid haircut and the pervstache). The only way I could see this leading to a face turn would be if it looks like Dom is deciding to align with Liv only to screw her over and reveal that he and Rhea are as tight as ever and it was part of their plan.
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Post by longtimelurker29 on Jun 4, 2024 11:53:26 GMT -5
I think sometimes we have to think about things in the context that’s it’s presented rather than “what if” scenarios. Yes, if it was maybe an unattractive person cornering Dom, it might not be a great look and be uncomfortable. But that’s not what’s happening here. Liv is super hot and Dom isn’t uncomfortable. He’s trying not to cheat but he’s smiling and flirting especially with the eyes. The eyes don’t lie Chico. Like I don’t know man. I just don’t think it’s that deep nor does everything have to be a think piece. His eyes don’t lie? He’s not uncomfortable? I’m trying to understand and asking legitimately, is there a particular thing with his eyes or mannerisms that are saying he wants it? Maybe you picked up on something. Yeah I feel you on the last one. It’s kinda like with ratings threads, some people like to “discuss business” and some people like to.. discuss current angles on a wrestling show happening right now. He literally was smiling after Liv rubbed his head and he’s smirked at her a couple of times now.
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Post by PHD-FENDERBAUM on Jun 4, 2024 12:01:05 GMT -5
People think Dom is gonna end up with one or the other.
I am on the side he is not getting any in the end here.
Liv has made it very clear she is in this to take everything away from Rhea..she isn't doing this because she has actual eyes for Dom he is a means to an end but Dom is a Domass and is smitten with any pretty woman that gives him the googly eyes.
Rhea in kayfabe has to have seen all the footage of him getting out of the same car as Liv and coming out of the same room all before the kiss so she is gonna kill him when she returns.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 4, 2024 12:01:24 GMT -5
"maybe if it was an unattractive person"
"beauty shaming"
Man sometimes you realize things haven't changed as much as it feels they have.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 4, 2024 12:02:02 GMT -5
I don't mind it, but I also don't think it's particularly compelling. I hope they get to the point sooner v. later even if Rhea isn't ready to come back. If anything, this is kind of exposing Liv a bit - she's way better in-ring than she used to be, but she's better as a smiling underdog than she is as an unhinged heel. No question about that, she's really fun in the ring now.
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Post by dbrussel on Jun 4, 2024 12:40:07 GMT -5
Well, I mean...it's supposed to be weird
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Post by asuka007 on Jun 4, 2024 12:41:40 GMT -5
I think it’s simple. Triple H just likes to stretch things out. He doesn’t necessarily get to the point quickly.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Jun 4, 2024 12:42:43 GMT -5
I think it’s simple. Triple H just likes to stretch things out. He doesn’t necessarily get to the point quickly. Just like his promos.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 4, 2024 12:44:30 GMT -5
I think it’s simple. Triple H just likes to stretch things out. He doesn’t necessarily get to the point quickly. You see uhhh, she's uhhh supposed to be gropey and creepy uhhhhh no time for another match for her friends uhhhhh?
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Post by asuka007 on Jun 4, 2024 12:47:27 GMT -5
Triple H remembering the story between him/Kurt Angle/Stephanie from 2000.
And hopefully this time not letting his fragile ego sabotage things.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 4, 2024 12:54:03 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not going to suddenly stop watching or be all like "turn that shit off" but the storyline reasoning for Ripley beating up Dominik wasn't a sexual thing in storyline originally. She didn't kick his ass to make him sexually submissive, I don't think. It became a storyline eventually but as it stood at the time on the show, it was simply her being strong enough to beat up the guy and his family, it wasn't for any sexual gain and it gained that traction through the fans. Tonight was Liv Morgan trying to grope and kiss the guy as he's backing up and clearly did not want that. It would be different if when Rhea was beating up Dominik for those types of gains instead of what it actually was.
Rhea tormenting Dom week after week was as a way to get at Rey and Edge (a key point in the Dom heel turn was Rhea shoving Dom into the path of an Edge spear), but Rhea introducing her 'Papi' persona added an energy to the storyline, and there were some sexual overtones at points. People remember Rhea choking Dom with her thighs, but there was also the unsubtle phallic symbolism they used in the segment where Rhea convinced Dom to give her his kendo stick rather than actually using it as a weapon:
Interesting. So Dominik Mysterio handing over the kendo stick to Rhea Ripley was supposed to be a hidden way of handing his Rey Mysterio over to Rhea basically. Instead of it not being Rhea and the Judgment Day not wanting to get beat up with a kendo stick, they symbolized that as him handing over control of his dick?
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Post by Nosnorb on Jun 4, 2024 13:04:57 GMT -5
People think Dom is gonna end up with one or the other. I am on the side he is not getting any in the end here. Liv has made it very clear she is in this to take everything away from Rhea..she isn't doing this because she has actual eyes for Dom he is a means to an end but Dom is a Domass and is smitten with any pretty woman that gives him the googly eyes. Rhea in kayfabe has to have seen all the footage of him getting out of the same car as Liv and coming out of the same room all before the kiss so she is gonna kill him when she returns. There is the possibility that Dom knows he is being used, but just doesn't care, just like Dolph Ziggler didn't care that Lana was using him to get back at Rusev.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jun 4, 2024 13:16:34 GMT -5
As long as in the end somehow Liv and Rhea become a power couple, I’m good.
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Post by 4real on Jun 4, 2024 13:20:59 GMT -5
I was fine with the developments this week. Obvious from the kiss Liv was putting everything into it and Dom didn’t want any of it or was acting like he didn’t.
Balor basically becoming Dom’s dad is funny though. Liv saved Dom last night and helped them beat up Strowman so I can see maybe the Judgment Day becoming conflicted if they feel like Liv can be a benefit to them.
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Post by ayumidah on Jun 4, 2024 13:35:57 GMT -5
Thinking about it in the light of day, I guess Cole did have kind of an interesting comment when he said he didn't know if she was a manipulator or someone who was desperate for love? Or however he put that. If you put this in context with the Lana storyline, she does have a history of chasing people who don't want her.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 4, 2024 13:40:06 GMT -5
Thinking about it in the light of day, I guess Cole did have kind of an interesting comment when he said he didn't know if she was a manipulator or someone who was desperate for love? Or however he put that. If you put this in context with the Lana storyline, she does have a history of chasing people who don't want her. Yeah it is a weird same show contrast of them saying "OH HE WANTS IT" and Cole saying stuff like that and then back to "OH HE WANTS IT". Like it is what it is at this point, I'm anxious to see where it goes though because this feels like a strange direction for it to go. It's gonna do massive numbers for the company and probably be the story of the year in terms of popularity either way. Basically, aside from hoping Liv doesn't have someone rappelling down from her ceiling mission impossible style now that I've seen just how unhinged it can get?
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Post by Legion on Jun 4, 2024 13:44:55 GMT -5
If this was the other way round, it would be nothing more than a dirty old man Vince forced sex acts story.
As far as we know now, this is a non-consent story. Dom may eventually be revealed as in on it, or may learn to like it, but the root of the story at the moment is one character ignoring any element of consent to force herself on another character, ostensibly to extract revenge on a third character.
That is quite literally what we saw all manner of people doing or being accused of or covering up during the wrestling #metoo stuff.
And that makes it uncomfortable, or it should, just as much as it would be if it was Dom creeping and forcing physical contact on her.
The defence that she may be emotionally damaged herself isn't an excuse. It may be a storyline reason, but it isn't an excuse.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jun 4, 2024 13:54:21 GMT -5
If this was the other way round, it would be nothing more than a dirty old man Vince forced sex acts story. As far as we know now, this is a non-consent story. Dom may eventually be revealed as in on it, or may learn to like it, but the root of the story at the moment is one character ignoring any element of consent to force herself on another character, ostensibly to extract revenge on a third character. That is quite literally what we saw all manner of people doing or being accused of or covering up during the wrestling #metoo stuff. And that makes it uncomfortable, or it should, just as much as it would be if it was Dom creeping and forcing physical contact on her. The defence that she may be emotionally damaged herself isn't an excuse. It may be a storyline reason, but it isn't an excuse. Pretty much my thoughts. I don't personally have any issue with the storyline and, at the end of the day, it's just a silly professional wrestling storyline that's not really that serious. But it is objectively being presented as a non-consent story, and that's inherently uncomfortable and made even more uncomfortable given everything that is currently going on with WWE and its former chairman. "Liv is really hot, though" definitely doesn't make a sexualized story based on lack of consent any more palatable. It's wild, because South Park did an episode taking the piss out of the concept that attractive women can't be sex pests like 20 years ago now, and here we are still having these same conversations.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 4, 2024 14:01:32 GMT -5
If this was the other way round, it would be nothing more than a dirty old man Vince forced sex acts story. As far as we know now, this is a non-consent story. Dom may eventually be revealed as in on it, or may learn to like it, but the root of the story at the moment is one character ignoring any element of consent to force herself on another character, ostensibly to extract revenge on a third character. That is quite literally what we saw all manner of people doing or being accused of or covering up during the wrestling #metoo stuff. And that makes it uncomfortable, or it should, just as much as it would be if it was Dom creeping and forcing physical contact on her. The defence that she may be emotionally damaged herself isn't an excuse. It may be a storyline reason, but it isn't an excuse. Pretty much my thoughts. I don't personally have any issue with the storyline and, at the end of the day, it's just a silly professional wrestling storyline that's not really that serious. But it is objectively being presented as a non-consent story, and that's inherently uncomfortable and made even more uncomfortable given everything that is currently going on with WWE and its former chairman. "Liv is really hot, though" definitely doesn't make a sexualized story based on lack of consent any more palatable. It's wild, because South Park did an episode taking the piss out of the concept that attractive women can't be sex pests like 20 years ago now, and here we are still having these same conversations. Thank you for wording it better than I could. Like I'm not going to stop watching or want WWE to suffer or some shit, I just think it is super uncomfortable. The timing of it doesn't help at all but if you say that, you'd immediately have someone yelling saying "when is the right time". Like I get that it matters how attractive she is but it shouldn't matter. It's not like I expected or expect people to suddenly be all "eww gross!", that would be the reach of a lifetime but it was strange seeing the guy have to have someone physically get in front of him several times to get her to f*** off with the shit.
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Post by clc on Jun 4, 2024 14:10:45 GMT -5
If they want to make Liv's revenge complete she has to take everything away from Rhea. So that means, she takes out Rhea, takes the title, takes Dom, and finally she takes the Judgement Day itself away from Rhea. Heck, let's have Liv take that band that had the other Rhea as the main singer to make Liv a theme song.
I'm not that into the story, but I'm all for completely breaking Rhea since Rhea had like 2 years of doing nothing but making everyone look bad. So if this leads to taking Rhea down a few pegs it's worth it.
I want to see Rhea be in that position Baron Corbin was before his gambling winnings. Lets' see Mami hit Rock bottom before she can get back on top.
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