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Post by cosmo on Jun 4, 2024 16:19:53 GMT -5
Rhea in kayfabe has to have seen all the footage of him getting out of the same car as Liv and coming out of the same room all before the kiss so she is gonna kill him when she returns.
Just watch Rhea come back and her first promo is her being genuinely surprised all this has been happening because she didn't actually bother watching the show while she was gone.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 4, 2024 16:25:03 GMT -5
Rhea in kayfabe has to have seen all the footage of him getting out of the same car as Liv and coming out of the same room all before the kiss so she is gonna kill him when she returns. Just watch Rhea come back and her first promo is her being genuinely surprised all this has been happening because she didn't actually bother watching the show while she was gone.
Rhea pulling up to Raw in July:
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Post by ghost on Jun 4, 2024 16:35:29 GMT -5
If this was the other way round, it would be nothing more than a dirty old man Vince forced sex acts story. As far as we know now, this is a non-consent story. Dom may eventually be revealed as in on it, or may learn to like it, but the root of the story at the moment is one character ignoring any element of consent to force herself on another character, ostensibly to extract revenge on a third character. That is quite literally what we saw all manner of people doing or being accused of or covering up during the wrestling #metoo stuff. And that makes it uncomfortable, or it should, just as much as it would be if it was Dom creeping and forcing physical contact on her. The defence that she may be emotionally damaged herself isn't an excuse. It may be a storyline reason, but it isn't an excuse. Yeah, I personally don’t care as this is a storyline and wrestling shouldn’t be taken seriously to begin with, but if the roles were reversed on this one, the reaction would be 100% different.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jun 4, 2024 18:07:45 GMT -5
I guess it is uncomfortable to an extent, although I do think there's a bit of extrapolation going on vs what's actually happened on screen.
But I don't know if that's automatically a bad thing. I think it's interesting people's different reactions to wrestling. If this was a movie or another kind of TV drama nobody would be saying they were about to go too far.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 4, 2024 18:19:40 GMT -5
I guess it is uncomfortable to an extent, although I do think there's a bit of extrapolation going on vs what's actually happened on screen. But I don't know if that's automatically a bad thing. I think it's interesting people's different reactions to wrestling. If this was a movie or another kind of TV drama nobody would be saying they were about to go too far. It is interesting and you're right that nobody would care if it was on another show but that brings up the same argument that was used during the Attitude Era where some crazy shit would go down but the reasoning is that it would be fine on Law and Order or whatnot. It's up to you on if that holds. As for the extrapolation, I'll continue to repeat what has been brought up before. As much as that extrapolation may seem to be present towards any negativity in regards to this angle, there is far more effort towards completely ignoring what is on screen because of people's personal attractions or obsessions with the character. The "if the roles were reversed" thing doesn't even have to be put into a male vs. female thing even if it would work for the example. If you have Dom Mysterio doing the same thing to a backing up clearly not into it Liv Morgan until she smiles or it is Pat McAfee's turn to find the grassy knoll, would that smile be seen as her really liking it? Or would you have a bunch of people yelping and howling at the moon because how dare their pure queen be taken by someone else when they're not too busy drinking a fifth of vodka and being dared to drive when she loses once a year? I think there's a wide divide between what people are actually seeing on the screen. I am taking it as WWE has presented it, a guy who might betray Rhea by saying it was his idea and in the meantime, is being harassed by someone multiple times and only stopping once someone physically gets between them. He's smiled and that could mean the character is in on the plan. If WWE's plan is to have her be creepy, it could be really interesting in a roles reversed way that we haven't seen from WWE but I'm not even so sure that what I'm thinking is not what they're trying to put out there and they're turning both Dom and Rhea officially face while Finn/Liv become the heel power couple.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 4, 2024 20:21:19 GMT -5
There is definitely an undercurrent of, "It's not sexual assault if an attractive person's doing it," going on with how people are talking about this and it's really uncomfortable.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jun 5, 2024 0:49:23 GMT -5
Rhea tormenting Dom week after week was as a way to get at Rey and Edge (a key point in the Dom heel turn was Rhea shoving Dom into the path of an Edge spear), but Rhea introducing her 'Papi' persona added an energy to the storyline, and there were some sexual overtones at points. People remember Rhea choking Dom with her thighs, but there was also the unsubtle phallic symbolism they used in the segment where Rhea convinced Dom to give her his kendo stick rather than actually using it as a weapon:
Interesting. So Dominik Mysterio handing over the kendo stick to Rhea Ripley was supposed to be a hidden way of handing his Rey Mysterio over to Rhea basically. Instead of it not being Rhea and the Judgment Day not wanting to get beat up with a kendo stick, they symbolized that as him handing over control of his dick?
It's subtext. The segment read literally is Rhea preventing Judgment Day getting beat up (especially as in reality this is when she still wasn't cleared to take bumps), but the choice of camera angles (especially when Dom's holding it near his pants) and object create that symbolism.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 5, 2024 0:54:32 GMT -5
Interesting. So Dominik Mysterio handing over the kendo stick to Rhea Ripley was supposed to be a hidden way of handing his Rey Mysterio over to Rhea basically. Instead of it not being Rhea and the Judgment Day not wanting to get beat up with a kendo stick, they symbolized that as him handing over control of his dick?
It's subtext. The segment read literally is Rhea preventing Judgment Day getting beat up (especially as in reality this is when she still wasn't cleared to take bumps), but the choice of camera angles (especially when Dom's holding it near his pants) and object create that symbolism.
That's genuinely interesting and I never picked up on that, maybe wasn't in that same mindset one can be with other artistic creations. It checks out and if they went for that, hats off to them. Thank you for explaining and this gives me a lot to think about, this could be an extended trait of the Dominik character.
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Post by mj0mn0m on Jun 5, 2024 7:43:30 GMT -5
The way I see it, it's just a woman trying (remember, by any means necessary) trying to seduce a man for her own benefits. It's not even the level of 50 shades of shits yet. I want to celebrate Liv's biggest run instead of comparing her to a f***ing predator Vince.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 5, 2024 7:51:41 GMT -5
The way I see it, it's just a woman trying (remember, by any means necessary) trying to seduce a man for her own benefits. It's not even the level of 50 shades of shits yet. I want to celebrate Liv's biggest run instead of comparing her to a f***ing predator Vince. There are those who genuinely feel the underlying tone is creepy. Sorry if that distracts from your favorite getting a push. EDIT: I *like*Liv. Wanna be very clear about that. But you can like a wrestler and also see flaws in booking them, even when they're being pushed
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Post by cosmo on Jun 5, 2024 7:56:23 GMT -5
The way I see it, it's just a woman trying (remember, by any means necessary) trying to seduce a man for her own benefits. It's not even the level of 50 shades of shits yet. I want to celebrate Liv's biggest run instead of comparing her to a f***ing predator Vince. There are those who genuinely feel the underlying tone is creepy. Sorry if that distracts from your favorite getting a push. EDIT: I *like*Liv. Wanna be very clear about that. But you can like a wrestler and also see flaws in booking them, even when they're being pushed
No one is ever allowed to say anything negative about Liv ever. And there are no flaws to see, either.
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Post by mj0mn0m on Jun 5, 2024 7:56:37 GMT -5
The way I see it, it's just a woman trying (remember, by any means necessary) trying to seduce a man for her own benefits. It's not even the level of 50 shades of shits yet. I want to celebrate Liv's biggest run instead of comparing her to a f***ing predator Vince. There are those who genuinely feel the underlying tone is creepy. Sorry if that distracts from your favorite getting a push. EDIT: I *like*Liv. Wanna be very clear about that. But you can like a wrestler and also see flaws in booking them, even when they're being pushed I do understand each one sees it differently, I'm not mocking anybody's opinion, but I had to get this one out of my system. Peace. 😅✌️ So far to me it has not been anything THAT vile yet.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jun 5, 2024 9:23:39 GMT -5
The way I see it, it's just a woman trying (remember, by any means necessary) trying to seduce a man for her own benefits. It's not even the level of 50 shades of shits yet. I want to celebrate Liv's biggest run instead of comparing her to a f***ing predator Vince. Just to be very clear, since I am someone who came down on the side of there being an uncomfortable aspect to this angle under the circumstances. I don't think that anyone is comparing Liv Morgan to Vince McMahon. That would be completely ridiculous and asinine. Some of us are just saying that Liv playing a character that has been cyberstalking Dom, seemingly touching him without his express consent, and going on and on about how Dom "is lying to himself" about wanting her is just a tad bit uncomfortable less than 6 months removed from that Complaint being filed against the former chairman of WWE. It's maybe a little on the nose, and I think the argument is more that it shouldn't get the free pass it's getting on that just because Liv is a hot female. I like Liv. I don't even particularly care for WWE, but I like Liv, I like Dominik, I like Balor, and this angle (along with Chad Gable and Otis getting a lot of shine) has really piqued my interest. I hope Liv's push continues this doesn't just end with her getting squashed in 10 seconds by Rhea or something. I am happy to see where it all goes. But, the original question posed was "did the Liv and Dominik angle get weird?" And like, yeah, it kind of did.
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Post by Nosnorb on Jun 5, 2024 9:39:35 GMT -5
For me, it's both weird and not weird. From Liv and Dom leaving the same dressing room, the purple bandana that Liv had in her pocket, getting out of the same car and that Dom knew that there was no way in hell that Becky was going to accept his help, those signs all point to Liv and Dom are working together, and this is all a performance so that when Rhea comes back, that is when they can really twist the knife in and reveal the betrayal. And I think that is the most likely explaination and that what we have seen in the last two weeks is all part of the plan of the two. So in that respect, it doesn't feel uncomfortable.
On the other hand, it could very well be that Dom is innocent. Then Liv kissing him and harassing him gets really uncomfortable, and there is part of me that thinks there is a chance that Dom is still loyal to Rhea and he genuinely interfered in those two matches to make sure Liv didn't leave with the title.
So it feels both not weird and weird at the same time, if that makes sense.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 5, 2024 10:00:43 GMT -5
It’s hard to be too pearl-clutchy when you remember how we initially reacted to Ripley beating up then-babyface Dominik every week. We sexualised the hell out of that to the point that it basically became the TV gimmick when Dominik turned. When Rhea delivered “If he wants me to be mami, I’ll be mami. Or I can be papi.” remark, you could tell she instantly realized she’d struck gold.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 5, 2024 11:28:12 GMT -5
I was blissfully ignorant about Liv inheriting the "people get f***ing weird about her" mantle from AJ Lee until looking at this thread.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 5, 2024 11:36:43 GMT -5
The way I see it, it's just a woman trying (remember, by any means necessary) trying to seduce a man for her own benefits. It's not even the level of 50 shades of shits yet. I want to celebrate Liv's biggest run instead of comparing her to a f***ing predator Vince. There are those who genuinely feel the underlying tone is creepy. Sorry if that distracts from your favorite getting a push. EDIT: I *like*Liv. Wanna be very clear about that. But you can like a wrestler and also see flaws in booking them, even when they're being pushed To me, it still feels like it's straddling the line. I just wish I had a better foundation to be confident in saying when I think it will have fully crossed it.
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Post by Renslayer on Jun 5, 2024 11:41:56 GMT -5
Nah, I don't think it's weird. Liv making life hell on her rival by getting at the people closest to her is a tried and true story across every medium possible
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Post by mj0mn0m on Jun 5, 2024 11:45:35 GMT -5
I'm not touching this thread anymore as I think it's blown out of proportions. I'm not the one to take potshots 'cause...
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Post by Renslayer on Jun 5, 2024 11:54:13 GMT -5
I'm not touching this thread anymore as I think it's blown out of proportions. I'm not the one to take potshots 'cause... Oh I'm a get a TON of mileage out of this image. I acknowledge you ☝️☝️
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