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Post by Vincent Whiney on Jun 5, 2024 11:59:50 GMT -5
I just don't think Liv is a good enough actress to carry too long without Rhea actually back to kick her ass.
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Post by PHD-FENDERBAUM on Jun 5, 2024 12:01:31 GMT -5
I just don't think Liv is a good enough actress to carry too long without Rhea actually back to kick her ass. Liv is like a secondary character who got bumped into a starring role but is exposing her obvious weakness's now.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 5, 2024 12:19:22 GMT -5
I just don't think Liv is a good enough actress to carry too long without Rhea actually back to kick her ass. Liv is like a secondary character who got bumped into a starring role but is exposing her obvious weakness's now. As much as I like Liv it did feel like her getting this push is more because it was needed to make a story work then them feeling like she would be the best option. However then again with Becky and Rhea both gone and how depleted the Raw women's division is I guess she would be still be the best choice to be champion even without the Rhea and Dominik storyline. The next plausible choices are Lyra who is still too new and Iyo who just had a long title reign.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 5, 2024 12:51:33 GMT -5
The way I see it, it's just a woman trying (remember, by any means necessary) trying to seduce a man for her own benefits. It's not even the level of 50 shades of shits yet. I want to celebrate Liv's biggest run instead of comparing her to a f***ing predator Vince. Just to be very clear, since I am someone who came down on the side of there being an uncomfortable aspect to this angle under the circumstances. I don't think that anyone is comparing Liv Morgan to Vince McMahon. That would be completely ridiculous and asinine. Some of us are just saying that Liv playing a character that has been cyberstalking Dom, seemingly touching him without his express consent, and going on and on about how Dom "is lying to himself" about wanting her is just a tad bit uncomfortable less than 6 months removed from that Complaint being filed against the former chairman of WWE. It's maybe a little on the nose, and I think the argument is more that it shouldn't get the free pass it's getting on that just because Liv is a hot female. I like Liv. I don't even particularly care for WWE, but I like Liv, I like Dominik, I like Balor, and this angle (along with Chad Gable and Otis getting a lot of shine) has really piqued my interest. I hope Liv's push continues this doesn't just end with her getting squashed in 10 seconds by Rhea or something. I am happy to see where it all goes. But, the original question posed was "did the Liv and Dominik angle get weird?" And like, yeah, it kind of did. Good way of putting it. I like Liv in the ring and I think she's improved massively from her time feuding with Shayna/Ronda. Nobody is comparing her to Vince or bringing up his name except in that it is a choice to run this type of storyline so quick after all that. Or well I mean, it's an ongoing thing. I don't know. This is solely focused on the storyline itself, nothing else.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jun 5, 2024 14:08:11 GMT -5
I guess it is uncomfortable to an extent, although I do think there's a bit of extrapolation going on vs what's actually happened on screen. But I don't know if that's automatically a bad thing. I think it's interesting people's different reactions to wrestling. If this was a movie or another kind of TV drama nobody would be saying they were about to go too far. It is interesting and you're right that nobody would care if it was on another show but that brings up the same argument that was used during the Attitude Era where some crazy shit would go down but the reasoning is that it would be fine on Law and Order or whatnot. It's up to you on if that holds. As for the extrapolation, I'll continue to repeat what has been brought up before. As much as that extrapolation may seem to be present towards any negativity in regards to this angle, there is far more effort towards completely ignoring what is on screen because of people's personal attractions or obsessions with the character. The "if the roles were reversed" thing doesn't even have to be put into a male vs. female thing even if it would work for the example. If you have Dom Mysterio doing the same thing to a backing up clearly not into it Liv Morgan until she smiles or it is Pat McAfee's turn to find the grassy knoll, would that smile be seen as her really liking it? Or would you have a bunch of people yelping and howling at the moon because how dare their pure queen be taken by someone else when they're not too busy drinking a fifth of vodka and being dared to drive when she loses once a year? I think there's a wide divide between what people are actually seeing on the screen. I am taking it as WWE has presented it, a guy who might betray Rhea by saying it was his idea and in the meantime, is being harassed by someone multiple times and only stopping once someone physically gets between them. He's smiled and that could mean the character is in on the plan. If WWE's plan is to have her be creepy, it could be really interesting in a roles reversed way that we haven't seen from WWE but I'm not even so sure that what I'm thinking is not what they're trying to put out there and they're turning both Dom and Rhea officially face while Finn/Liv become the heel power couple. I think that's fine and you're certainly free to feel however you want about it. To me terms like 'harassment' or 'non consensual' make it seem like there's far more nefarious things being portrayed here. Now obviously in real life even what Liv has done would be considered that, but in the cartoon world pro wrestling? Especially considering it's all been pretty vague so far and the only thing to go off is what a subtle smile or a head nod means. God love them, but neither Liv nor Dom are where they are because of their acting chops. But you're right, it's very much YMMV thing and you're clearly not alone. I dunno, it just seems weird that if they had Liv break into Rhea's house, threaten her family, set her on fire, hit her with an axe, otherwise mentally torment her in various ways... people would think it's just heels being heels. Personally even if Liv is being creepy, she's not meant to be liked and Dom's character is a total shithead who's also done terrible things.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jun 5, 2024 14:14:32 GMT -5
It is interesting and you're right that nobody would care if it was on another show but that brings up the same argument that was used during the Attitude Era where some crazy shit would go down but the reasoning is that it would be fine on Law and Order or whatnot. It's up to you on if that holds. As for the extrapolation, I'll continue to repeat what has been brought up before. As much as that extrapolation may seem to be present towards any negativity in regards to this angle, there is far more effort towards completely ignoring what is on screen because of people's personal attractions or obsessions with the character. The "if the roles were reversed" thing doesn't even have to be put into a male vs. female thing even if it would work for the example. If you have Dom Mysterio doing the same thing to a backing up clearly not into it Liv Morgan until she smiles or it is Pat McAfee's turn to find the grassy knoll, would that smile be seen as her really liking it? Or would you have a bunch of people yelping and howling at the moon because how dare their pure queen be taken by someone else when they're not too busy drinking a fifth of vodka and being dared to drive when she loses once a year? I think there's a wide divide between what people are actually seeing on the screen. I am taking it as WWE has presented it, a guy who might betray Rhea by saying it was his idea and in the meantime, is being harassed by someone multiple times and only stopping once someone physically gets between them. He's smiled and that could mean the character is in on the plan. If WWE's plan is to have her be creepy, it could be really interesting in a roles reversed way that we haven't seen from WWE but I'm not even so sure that what I'm thinking is not what they're trying to put out there and they're turning both Dom and Rhea officially face while Finn/Liv become the heel power couple. I think that's fine and you're certainly free to feel however you want about it. To me terms like 'harassment' or 'non consensual' make it seem like there's far more nefarious things being portrayed here. Now obviously in real life even what Liv has done would be considered that, but in the cartoon world pro wrestling? Especially considering it's all been pretty vague so far and the only thing to go off is what a subtle smile or a head nod means. God love them, but neither Liv nor Dom are where they are because of their acting chops. But you're right, it's very much YMMV thing and you're clearly not alone. I dunno, it just seems weird that if they had Liv break into Rhea's house, threaten her family, set her on fire, hit her with an axe, otherwise mentally torment her in various ways... people would think it's just heels being heels. Personally even if Liv is being creepy, she's not meant to be liked and Dom's character is a total shithead who's also done terrible things. Yeah, to each their own really. Some stuff bothers the crowd more than others while others wonder why this or that doesn't bother people more. Doesn't mean I or either side is wrong about how they're taking it, just comes down to one's own vision of the whole deal. It'll be interesting to see if they play this like what we do expect to see, where he is going to be a heel with Liv or we're not supposed to be so sure now.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 5, 2024 15:07:51 GMT -5
No you guys don't understand I wanna put the f*** on a wrestler so you're inherently wrong actually for disliking this
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Jun 5, 2024 15:09:59 GMT -5
No you guys don't understand I wanna put the f*** on a wrestler so you're inherently wrong actually for disliking this - Gallus fans.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 5, 2024 17:43:21 GMT -5
The funny thing about Liv is that while her promos are still a bit iffy, she's killing it with her body language and facial expressions. The latter's going a long way in making up for the issues with the former.
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