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Post by hollywood on May 7, 2007 11:00:24 GMT -5
I liked it. I'm not going to say it was the best in the series, but it didn't suck on Batman & Robin or X-Men 3 levels. Being the weakest in a series of three very solid films isn't all that bad.
Can't please everyone, though, I guess.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 7, 2007 11:07:32 GMT -5
I don't think Gwen was actually WITH Eddie. I think Eddie was just under that impression, or he was exaggerating because they went out for coffee. Correct. Gwen really had a thing for peter from the beginning. You could tell. My biggest gaffe was...how the hell did peter not sense that Goblin was about to attack him at the beginnign of the movie. It's like they completely abandoned the Spidey Sense in 3. I would say he was just preoccupied thinking about asking MJ to marry him. And I am one of the comic loyalists, and don't feel that Raimi has pissed on anything.
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Post by hollywood on May 7, 2007 11:08:53 GMT -5
Correct. Gwen really had a thing for peter from the beginning. You could tell. My biggest gaffe was...how the hell did peter not sense that Goblin was about to attack him at the beginnign of the movie. It's like they completely abandoned the Spidey Sense in 3. I would say he was just preoccupied thinking about asking MJ to marry him. And I am one of the comic loyalists, and don't feel that Raimi has pissed on anything. No, I'm with you. Didn't Raimi want to do the Spidey movies because he collected the comics as a kid? And hasn't the Spidey film series been hailed as one of the more loyal-to-its-origins superhero films?
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Post by texasshadow on May 7, 2007 11:08:55 GMT -5
good point, also, did anyone else notice that Spiderman was going around in broad daylight using his powers without his mask on a little too much? Thats why I hated the train scene in Spider Man 2.
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Post by Chainsaw on May 7, 2007 11:27:52 GMT -5
good point, also, did anyone else notice that Spiderman was going around in broad daylight using his powers without his mask on a little too much? Thats why I hated the train scene in Spider Man 2. Another thing that bothered me about 2. What New Yorker do you know that can keep a secret, huh?
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Post by hollywood on May 7, 2007 11:41:35 GMT -5
I also hated that Spidey's black suit was just all black. I mean, EVERYONE knows the spider logo in the center is supposed to be white!?
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 7, 2007 11:52:57 GMT -5
I was referring to what swampmeat said about pissing on the loyalists, when in fact I know very few who feel that way. Only Venom fans actually.
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Post by hollywood on May 7, 2007 12:01:04 GMT -5
I'm just curious, does anyone else share my total lack of enthusiasm for Venom? I mean, I know the guy's whole origin story...he was a reporter who was publicly humiliated by Parker (don't remember ALL the details) and only managed to scrape out a living writing trash for tabloids. Then lo and behold he got a hold of the symbiote after Spidey got rid of it, and he swore revenge. But seriously, other than that, he's just an evil Spider-Man. I just never saw what was so cool about the guy. I kinda liked Carnage, but Venom just always seemed kinda overrated to me?
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 7, 2007 12:14:45 GMT -5
I am very apathetic toward him. We actually went over it in the SPidey villain thread quite a bit.
Good concept, the anti-spider, but of course Scorpion already played that role.
great character design(pre tongue and drool). Then all of like 3 good stories featuring him. I think that was all the mileage the character had, but they wont let him die because he looks cool.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on May 7, 2007 12:16:29 GMT -5
Thats why I hated the train scene in Spider Man 2. Another thing that bothered me about 2. What New Yorker do you know that can keep a secret, huh? Look at it this way: how many of those people saw Spidey without his mask and said "hey look, it's Peter Parker!"? None of them. New York's a big city, and unless you know the guy personally, seeing him unmasked isn't that big a deal. When those people got home, they probably would've said "Spidey saved the train I was on. He's a young dude." Not something like "Spidey saved the train I was on, AND HE'S PETER PARKER, QUICK GET SOME WEAPONS, WE'RE GONNA GO BEAT UP HIS AUNT MAY!"
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Post by Chainsaw on May 7, 2007 12:18:37 GMT -5
I'm just curious, does anyone else share my total lack of enthusiasm for Venom? I mean, I know the guy's whole origin story...he was a reporter who was publicly humiliated by Parker (don't remember ALL the details) and only managed to scrape out a living writing trash for tabloids. Then lo and behold he got a hold of the symbiote after Spidey got rid of it, and he swore revenge. But seriously, other than that, he's just an evil Spider-Man. I just never saw what was so cool about the guy. I kinda liked Carnage, but Venom just always seemed kinda overrated to me? I've always liked Venom, mostly because of the character design and what he meant to Peter. Here's a guy who's bigger and stronger than he was, knew everything about him, and had an ax to grind with both Spidey and Parker. Kind of the next generation of Green Goblin. And as much as I've grown to dislike Todd McFarland, his Venom was absolutely incredible.
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Post by Smokey McTrees on May 7, 2007 13:37:18 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but as soon (SPOILERS)
as the Sandman was involved in Uncle Ben's death it defeated the whole purpose for Spidey's being. It wasn't really Spidey's fault his Uncle died. "But the original thief spooked Sandman," I hear you say. Give me a break. And from the beginning, Gwen was Spidey's original serious love. Why not have her in the first movie, bump her off, and then put Kirsten in as main squeeze? MJ could have been around all 3 movies. Gwen's death adds to Spidey's guilt that he can't save everybody. Instead we have a slick guy who can avoid all of his responsibility due to a convienent plot device. I can forgive Raimi for making Dr. Octopus emo, I could forgive him for making Green Goblin a power ranger villian, but cannot forgive him for tearing apart Spidey's origin. I cannot believe Stan Lee took this lightly.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 7, 2007 13:40:06 GMT -5
I am sure he took it lightly for the same reason he took Ultimate lightly, it is ok to be different, and different creators bring different things to the table.
I think had Raimi been more fairthful the movies would have hurt for it.
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Post by hollywood on May 7, 2007 14:01:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but as soon (SPOILERS)
as the Sandman was involved in Uncle Ben's death it defeated the whole purpose for Spidey's being. It wasn't really Spidey's fault his Uncle died. "But the original thief spooked Sandman," I hear you say. Give me a break. And from the beginning, Gwen was Spidey's original serious love. Why not have her in the first movie, bump her off, and then put Kirsten in as main squeeze? MJ could have been around all 3 movies. Gwen's death adds to Spidey's guilt that he can't save everybody. Instead we have a slick guy who can avoid all of his responsibility due to a convienent plot device. I can forgive Raimi for making Dr. Octopus emo, I could forgive him for making Green Goblin a power ranger villian, but cannot forgive him for tearing apart Spidey's origin. I cannot believe Stan Lee took this lightly. So was Bob Kane pissed off when Tim Burton made the Joker the killer of Batman's parents in the original BATMAN? Taking slight creative liberties with a character is nothing new. The Spider-Man cartoon series from the 90's wasn't a literal translation, either. The original TMNT cartoon was drastically different from the comics--so was the movie, for that matter. The first two X-Men films weren't EXACTLY like the comics. Hell, even Batman Begins took plenty of liberties with Frank Miller's YEAR ONE story. They were still good movies, and good translations, because they stuck with the basics and stayed true to the overall theme involved. Sandman being involved in the death of Uncle Ben hardly negates Spidey's purpose. Had he interfered and stopped the robber, Ben would likely still be alive. And besides, at this point, Spidey doesn't just stop criminals for his dead uncle. He does it because it's the right thing to do. And since this film is meant to be a sort of conclusion (Raimi has said he may not be involved in anymore Spidey films), it only makes sense for Peter to be able to make some sort of peace with his uncle's death. The whole plot with Sandman gives him that. It makes perfect dramatic sense to do that. It's fine to think the movie sucks, but I can't help but roll my eyes at people who just insist that the films should just follow a specific story arc panel-by-panel.
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Post by Chainsaw on May 7, 2007 14:26:25 GMT -5
Another thing that bothered me about 2. What New Yorker do you know that can keep a secret, huh? Look at it this way: how many of those people saw Spidey without his mask and said "hey look, it's Peter Parker!"? None of them. New York's a big city, and unless you know the guy personally, seeing him unmasked isn't that big a deal. When those people got home, they probably would've said "Spidey saved the train I was on. He's a young dude." Not something like "Spidey saved the train I was on, AND HE'S PETER PARKER, QUICK GET SOME WEAPONS, WE'RE GONNA GO BEAT UP HIS AUNT MAY!" That's true. I just wouldn't expect any one of those people to not immediately run to the Bugle or the Post and say they know what Spidey's identity is.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 7, 2007 14:28:34 GMT -5
Somebody just tell me how the Paintball Goblin comes across really quickly. That's the only part of Spidey 3 that I'm really having any sort of issue with.
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Post by hollywood on May 7, 2007 14:29:50 GMT -5
Paintball goblin?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 7, 2007 14:31:31 GMT -5
Paintball goblin? Yeah, Harry Osborn, dressed in his best paintball gear, out for vengeance.
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Post by hollywood on May 7, 2007 14:33:44 GMT -5
Paintball goblin? Yeah, Harry Osborn, dressed in his best paintball gear, out for vengeance. Oh. I guess some people are mad Peter didn't sense it coming. Suppose Raimi just wanted to make the audience jump, so he ignored Spidey's sense there. EDIT: Of course, you could argue about the effectiveness of Spidey Sense in every fight Spidey's been in. After all, shouldn't he sense every single punch or attack coming?
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 7, 2007 15:15:43 GMT -5
Actually, another factor of the Spider-sense not working for Harry. Pete doesn't always sense friends and family when they are going to do him. Hell Aunt May clobbered him over the head with a vase, he never saw it coming. Since Pete still sees Harry as a friend who he wants to make good with his sense probably wouldn't pick him up as danger.
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