Impact Rating Plummets Due To RAW.

[Can you afford to pay me, Gah]

csm126 said:

steinerecliner said:

^^^ Good point. I mean look at the Crusierweight title, I'm not taking nothing away from Gregery Helms as a wrestler because he is good. But honestly, with all this so called "history" he making from the WWE stand point. Now look back on Smackdown in that year. Of course he making history because for the longest time he wasn't even booked. Then half of the challengers have been released or moved to another brand.

At less in TNA the X title does have a meaning and TNA always had the belt on the line every PPV and the champion is seen weekly. How many Smackdown or cross brands shows have done down were Gregery Helms wasn't even booked or defending the title? A bunch.

Look at the remaining Crusierweights on Smackdown. You got

Jamie Knoble? Nobody knows were he been.
Scotty Too Hotty? Who gives a crap
Jimmy Wang Yang: Talented but whatever
Funaki: Same as Knoble
Shannon Moore: Yea bring in an ECW guy to fill in a spot.

The sad thing is three of there over all best are not even near it. Super Crazy for whatever dumb reason is on raw. London and Kendrick are all about Tag team wrestling.

At less in TNA the X title as been futured in a PPV main event. right now there at less a feud with the title with Sabin and Lynn for the last couple of months.

I agree that the Cruiserweight belt is pointless now. I'd scrap it to be honest because no one cares about it. And if WWE could learn to book the crusierweights right they'd have something great on their hands.

But does the X title mean all that much? Sabin and Lynn are feuding because Sabin called Lynn old. They're fighting over respect. I haven't even heard Jerry Lynn say a darn thing about wanting the belt (maybe I missed something? a promo perhaps?).

And as for the X champ being seen weekly. Yeah, so? He's seen. Bob Backlund is seen weekly and he doesn't mean jack crap. Leticia is seen weekly, and she doesn't mean anything. So Cal Val is seen weekly and we still don't know what her purpose is in this company. Being seen doesn't mean much. Hell, being seen less can be a good thing sometimes.

Look at Undertaker. He does a feud and then what? He takes MONTHS off. He goes unseen for a while. When he comes back, it's a big deal, because he only shows up to have big feuds. Now I'm not saying the X Champ needs to take months off, but he doesn't need to be on every week. It's not like giving him a week or two off will hurt him or the belt.

Yes the X title mean much when you have a respect rivially going alone with it. Last month the title was on the line when Sabin and Lynn had there match. The rivially itself started a fewmonths before. Lynn wanted Sabin to stop the jackass/childish acts going into Bound for Glory. Then from there we saw Lynn watching and so forth. Next thing you got Lynn refereeing and in a three way with Daniels. Now one on one. So yes it means something because it's all about the belt and respect.

That what it about to begin with. Lynn who Tenay keep reminding us that he is a pioneer of the X divison and so forth.

Now what I ment it the X Champion is around and invold some how every month. Weekly was maybe a bad example. At less Taker is not like World Champion when he gone for those months, is it a big deal everytime yes. Why because he a legend for starters. Helms was gone and nobody said anything. For a couple months last year I bet a lot of people forgot all about him and that there was a Cruiserweight title. He comesback and does what? Feud with Matt Hardy and the belt was not even talked about when matt was a former champion.

Taker was at less menitioned during most of the times he not there. Like when Khali attacked him. Taker was gone for a month or so. Cole keep telling this story on were he is and what not.

[Joekishi]

jinxed said:

yjc1019 said:

Last year's Thursday Raw drew a 3.3, so I wouldn't say it's too bad

So that is about right for the time shift. TNA just cannot compete with WWE yet. However that also makes me think that 1/2 of iMPACT!'s fans are WWE fans as well.

A LOT of wrestling fanbase is crossover, WWE is why most fans watch wrestling.

You can watch both and be happy.

the fact that over half of TNA's audience was watching RAW really does say something.

[Ace Diamond]

basicboogeynomix said:

jinxed said:

So that is about right for the time shift. TNA just cannot compete with WWE yet. However that also makes me think that 1/2 of iMPACT!'s fans are WWE fans as well.

A LOT of wrestling fanbase is crossover, WWE is why most fans watch wrestling.

You can watch both and be happy.

the fact that over half of TNA's audience was watching RAW really does say something.

Yeah, I watch all wrestling and I'm pretty happy with that choice.

[REDUNBECK~!]

steinerecliner said:

Yes the X title mean much when you have a respect rivially going alone with it. Last month the title was on the line when Sabin and Lynn had there match. The rivially itself started a fewmonths before. Lynn wanted Sabin to stop the jackass/childish acts going into Bound for Glory. Then from there we saw Lynn watching and so forth. Next thing you got Lynn refereeing and in a three way with Daniels. Now one on one. So yes it means something because it's all about the belt and respect.

But here's the thing, if I'm reading you correctly, the belt wasn't the catalyst for their feud and still isn't. It's just a secondary aspect of a fight over respect. If the belt meant anything they ought to have Lynn say he wants the belt. But he doesn't say anything, he just comes out and has matches and winds up being distracted by Sabin and losing. It doesn't matter if the title is on the line, because it's not like Lynn or Sabin are focusing on it; they just want to beat each other up, and the title being on the line comes off like an afterthought added to the match by "management".

When Edge was chasing Cena for the belt, it meant something because Edge would cut promos about how he longed to be the champ, how he wanted so bad to have that gold around his waist. So when he won the belt for the first time, it meant something and he got a massive reaction (I was there in the building, and the pop for Edge was like a Hulk Hogan pop).

In TNA, Lynn just wants to earn some respect, and the belt just happens to be there. It's not like they couldn't have this feud if Sabin wasn't champ. It would be exactly the same feud, which seems to suggest that the belt ain't the centerpiece of the rivalry.

[RAW100023]

Hopefully TNA looks at this, and see's that they really need to focus on themselves, instead of competting with the e right now, and trying to make this The Monday Night Wars part 2.

[Richard]

aodpilot said:

basicboogeynomix said:

A LOT of wrestling fanbase is crossover, WWE is why most fans watch wrestling.

You can watch both and be happy.

the fact that over half of TNA's audience was watching RAW really does say something.

Yeah, I watch all wrestling and I'm pretty happy with that choice.

I agree the majority of wrestling fans crossover and, I didn't mean that totally as a bad thing. It shows that there is a portion of WWE fans are TNA fans and watch Impact which honestly comes as surprise to me after reading some boards and newzzzzzz reports (although it really shouldn't) and should give TNA some hope. However, it should show them that their current direction isn't going to work if they want to compete. As much as they want people to believe that they can out WWE the WWE, they can't and a majority of their fans don't buy it.

[hollywood]

jinxed said:

aodpilot said:

Yeah, I watch all wrestling and I'm pretty happy with that choice.

I agree the majority of wrestling fans crossover and, I didn't mean that totally as a bad thing. It shows that there is a portion of WWE fans are TNA fans and watch Impact which honestly comes as surprise to me after reading some boards and newzzzzzz reports (although it really shouldn't) and should give TNA some hope. However, it should show them that their current direction isn't going to work if they want to compete. As much as they want people to believe that they can out WWE the WWE, they can't and a majority of their fans don't buy it.

Agreed. And, as nearly everyone in here has said, TNA shouldn't even be trying to out-WWE the WWE. They should focus on being a real alternative.

[HMARK Center]

fellowcrapper7 said:

Hopefully TNA looks at this, and see's that they really need to focus on themselves, instead of competting with the e right now, and trying to make this The Monday Night Wars part 2.

Correct, for two reasons.

A) Why act like the WWE while the 'E is pretty clearly in a creative downturn?

and

B) Why the hell does the industry need another "War" to be successful? It's like the territory days never existed in some people's minds.