Smarky
Mike the Goon
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Post by Smarky on Sept 5, 2007 18:51:23 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Hiroshi Hase
Patti Mayonnaise
The Good Ol' Days
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 5, 2007 18:54:44 GMT -5
And what is Morrison, exactly? A jakked up game show contestant. Punk is good and if he gets pops then he should continue to be pushed. Whatever plans they've had for morrison aren't finshed. I do think its funny that they try and force pops onto the crowd unstead of following the natural ones though. Hell it doesn't matter at this point, right now they are just probably trying to mold the business as they think it should be..and who wouldn't when they are on top. All you smarks know that you'd book Danielson vs. Punk vs. Kendrick every night for 60 minutes regardless of how much money it made. Just curious, who are you referring to when you say force pops onto the crowd? Punk may not get a Batista/Cena reaction, but whether you like the guy or not he seems to get a very positive reaction and the people jumping up and down when he won the title can't be piped in. I'm a smark and I'd probably try to get a bigger name like a Hogan or Cena for the show if I were booking as those guys draw, so that comment is false that you made about "all smarks" thinking that way. |
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Post by smartcenadude on Sept 5, 2007 18:58:44 GMT -5
When I say they are trying to force pops onto the crowd, I mean the bookers. Its like they are putting someone (morrison) who they chose in line first, even if someone else (punk) may be doing better. I can understand wanting to test out gimmicks and all of that, but if a guy gets a reaction then I say use it. Also they may not want to be told who should be pushed by a bunch of kids and are probably hesistant to follow that.
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Post by royboy8 on Sept 5, 2007 19:00:04 GMT -5
Complete bs. He's never right anyways. How would he have any clue whats going to happen 30 days from now?
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Hiroshi Hase
Patti Mayonnaise
The Good Ol' Days
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 5, 2007 19:04:33 GMT -5
Complete bs. He's never right anyways. How would he have any clue whats going to happen 30 days from now? I'd be inclined to agree with that, as many times a champion wasn't scheduled to hold a title past a certain time and they end up getting a longer reign than intended (JBL in 2004). |
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 5, 2007 19:09:04 GMT -5
For all of you saying "you smarks would do this", or "you smarks would do that", face it pal, YOU'RE a smark, too. Get over yourself, and treat your fellow posters with a little freaking dignity.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Sept 5, 2007 19:14:21 GMT -5
A jakked up game show contestant. Punk is good and if he gets pops then he should continue to be pushed. Whatever plans they've had for morrison aren't finshed. I do think its funny that they try and force pops onto the crowd unstead of following the natural ones though. Hell it doesn't matter at this point, right now they are just probably trying to mold the business as they think it should be..and who wouldn't when they are on top. All you smarks know that you'd book Danielson vs. Punk vs. Kendrick every night for 60 minutes regardless of how much money it made. Just curious, who are you referring to when you say force pops onto the crowd? Punk may not get a Batista/Cena reaction, but whether you like the guy or not he seems to get a very positive reaction and the people jumping up and down when he won the title can't be piped in. I'm a smark and I'd probably try to get a bigger name like a Hogan or Cena for the show if I were booking as those guys draw, so that comment is false that you made about "all smarks" thinking that way. See I would agree with Cena, but Hogan stopped drawing many moons ago no need to bring in a guy who does nothing to help the overall quality of the product. The key to making a better product is better character development. |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Sept 5, 2007 19:35:07 GMT -5
Hmmm. See, I'm somewhat for, and somewhat against.
If I get to see more matches like the one on ECW that Punk and Morrison had, I'm all for it. But I think Punk should keep it for a good while anyway. But yeah, I'm all for continuing that feud. Punk vs Morrison I would say is the feud of the year with matches like that.
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Post by twiggy101 on Sept 5, 2007 19:35:28 GMT -5
I find it unfair that RVD, one of the most over guys, got busted for smoking weed, lost the title and got suspended but never got his title back while John Morrison, a mid-carder who was bought to ECW in a Supplementary Draft but won the ECW Championship for wrong reasons, got busted for drugs as well and suspended him but they might put the belt back on him. I think Morrison retained the title too many times and now I feel is the time he chases after the belt. I think it would be because he got busted by the police while being the WWE's champion and representative. RVD messed up and I know a lot will disagree with me on that and that's fine, but no one forced him to have those substances in his car. But was John Morrison forced to take those substances? |
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Sept 5, 2007 21:47:56 GMT -5
i dont even fool with PWinsider Yeah, I don't believe much from the news sites these days. It's entirely possible that Morrison could get the belt back in 30 days, but it just seems rather stupid that just because Punk winning the belt was rushed that it has to be given back to Morrison right away. I mean, Punk was obviously gonna win it at the next PPV anyways, so why would a few weeks mean anything? A little off topic but did anyone notice how well Punk was over with the kids the other night? I mean, you could hear the kids chanting "CM Punk" and the shots they showed of the crowd was of little kids marking for him. If Punk can get the kids marking for him every week, I can't see how WWE could take the belt off him so soon (if the report is true). The kids go ape crap for Cena eventhough a majority of the adults dislike him, and he's still got the belt. |
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Post by Richard on Sept 5, 2007 21:51:48 GMT -5
I mean, Punk was obviously gonna win it at the next PPV anyways, so why would a few weeks mean anything? Not just you but, to everyone saying this, why? Why would Unforgiven have been different than Summerslam where everyone seemed to think he'd win it? I am not saying he wouldn't have won it there but, everyone said the same thing about Summerslam and he lost. What makes you think that? |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Sept 5, 2007 21:56:53 GMT -5
I think because logically, if you build something for so long, eventually the struggle has to be worth it, unless they were doing something else with Punk. Maybe not the next pay per view, but something after that. Plus, there aren't many other babyfaces on ECW to face Morrison. And besides, as I said before. After that match they had, I have no problem with them continuing that feud.
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Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 5, 2007 22:03:58 GMT -5
I think it would be because he got busted by the police while being the WWE's champion and representative. RVD messed up and I know a lot will disagree with me on that and that's fine, but no one forced him to have those substances in his car. But was John Morrison forced to take those substances? Not at all, but I couldn't tell you why they are just suspending him, perhaps as this was a violation and he wasn't pulled over and taken in by the cops WWE probably sees this as a lesser incident, plus RVD wasn't that liked by management anyways so they were just chomping at the bit to find something and RVD did all the work for them. |
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Dr. T is an alien
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 5, 2007 22:04:08 GMT -5
Punk's gimmick lends itself to a fighting champ role. There are more possibilities with Punk as a champ than anyone else right now. That should work just fine for the WWE because their big money venture is the PPVs. The only contribution to PPVs that ECW gives is the ECW World title match each month. Punk is the only person in ECW that can actually make a real difference in PPV buys, so it makes a lot of sense that he should be in those matches all of the time.
Therefore, if Laguna does push this stupid idea through just to further his man-crush, then he is a colossal idiot.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Sept 5, 2007 22:07:09 GMT -5
For the record... Transitional Champion--A person ("Two") who wins the title from one Champion ("One") and almost immediately loses it to someone else ("Three"), the most likely reason being that Creative wanted Three to have said title, and no reasonable change/feud with One was possible/didn't want to be done. See: Randy Orton's first WHC reign See: Edge's first WWE Championship reign |
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Joie De Vivre
Hank Scorpio
There's always next year.
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Post by Joie De Vivre on Sept 5, 2007 22:10:36 GMT -5
I hope this isn't the case. It was the first time in a long time I marked out for a title change. I even recorded it!
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Post by jmac950 on Sept 5, 2007 22:13:41 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing this rumour. Even if true, as long as the ratings increase, and the crowd marks for Punk, I cant see the 'E doing this.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Sept 5, 2007 22:30:38 GMT -5
I decided to go through reading the responses. Lots of interesting ones anyway.
Lots of back and forth between Morrison and Punk haters.
John Morrison did not deserve the title when he won it, in my opinion. I honestly didn't think Punk was going to win it either, because he wasn't a legit main event star yet (though, no one on ECW is, but Punk is definitely not a midcard talent as someone said. Somewhere in the middle. A nice, o'l upper midcarder. However, when Johnny Nitro changed his persona, I feel something turned on in the man that wasn't there before.
Also, people say Morrison isn't over. Remember, a heel is not supposed to get over. And also, the best way to get a hot babyface over is to get him behind a hated heel. So to say Morrison isn't one, it's just not giving credit where credit is due. And I think the people who don't like John Morrison, or hate the fact Punk losing aren't seeing how talented this guy is. His promos are great. His ring work speaks for itself (especially with his years of experience). They aren't just putting him out there because he's some shmuck a writer likes. He has the goods.
If anyone didn't watch it, I highly suggest watching that match. I knew the winner, but while watching it, I was really tense, and almost on the edge of my seat there. It was one of the most exciting matches I've seen in awhile, and I would say one of the best matches in the WWE this year. Lots of great false finishes during it, lots of intense moments, lot of building to that big moment.
One of Kevin Sullivan's theories in wrestling is that it's like a hot air balloon. You have to get some air in it so it will rise. If you let it go up to 5 feet, then start letting air out, it doesn't take that long for it to go back to the ground. And also, you build and build and build until the challenger finally makes it and wins the match. That's one of the reasons I felt the crowd was so hot. I mean, they might not have had that reaction at SummerSlam. But they kept building it. So that's the benefit of having a long drawn out feud. It's really smart booking.
Now, someone also brought up the transitional champions and their types. The Mick Foley/Randy Orton type, and the Edge type. And it was also said that Punk doesn't fit into that category. There is one though. Years ago, Dusty Rhodes won his first NWA belt, and a few days later, lost it. So basically, what that does is it gives the fans satisfaction that their hero finally got the win, and when he loses it, the fans are let down, and hate the heel for taking away their joy. Now they want to see that babyface get back what's his. So that could be what they're going by.
No matter what, Punk has indeed made it. Because no matter what happens, he's over for life in my opinion. Because the fans finally got that happiness after months of build. Now if Morrison takes it away, they hate him even more, and the reaction will be even bigger when Punk wins it back.
Man, I love professional wrestling, lol. Haha, and this feud is one of the reasons why.
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Post by twiggy101 on Sept 5, 2007 23:04:33 GMT -5
If Morrison beats CM Punk for the title as soon as he comes back then it will make CM Punk look bad because CM Punk lost to Morrison 4 times in a row for the ECW Championship and finally wins it in their 5th match but then Morrison only has to wrestle and beat CM Punk once and win it back.
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Parrish
El Dandy
Banana Man Wouldn't Book That!!!
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Post by Parrish on Sept 5, 2007 23:06:41 GMT -5
well for all the Punk fans, they can never take the reign away from him. So lets enjoy it while he has the belt
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