Plans For Punk As Champion (Oh Boy)

[Madagascar Fred]

I know it´s Johnny Ace´s fault...I KNOW IT!!! lol

seriously, f*** this s***

[sebulba]

jmac950 said:

I have a hard time believing this rumour. Even if true, as long as the ratings increase, and the crowd marks for Punk, I cant see the 'E doing this.

I can, I'm afraid. I don't believe that they f**k over the fans out of maliciousness, I truly believe that they are so divorced from reality that they do these things because they believe that they KNOW what we really want - and they seem to think that WE are the deluded ones when we sh*t all over the wrestlecrap they give us. CM Punk rules. He cuts great promos, is an excellent wrestler and isn't a 'roided-up hoss. Unfortunately for him, he created his own look and persona, not Vince and hasn't caned 'roids to the point where he looks like a condom stuffed with walnuts. In other words, he's doomed.

Christ I hate WWE (un)creative....


sorry for the rant. I've had very little sleep.....

[Old School Heel mark4Morishima]

andrewisgood said:

Also, people say Morrison isn't over. Remember, a heel is not supposed to get over. And also, the best way to get a hot babyface over is to get him behind a hated heel. So to say Morrison isn't one, it's just not giving credit where credit is due. And I think the people who don't like John Morrison, or hate the fact Punk losing aren't seeing how talented this guy is. His promos are great. His ring work speaks for itself (especially with his years of experience). They aren't just putting him out there because he's some shmuck a writer likes. He has the goods.

Morrison isn't hated. He does not get booed loudly. Other than maybe this past match, the crowd goes dead for his offense.

Morrison shows impressive athleticism, but other than maybe this past match, he has been consistently unable to get the crowd worked up from his moves in the ring. To me, that means he is a bad in-ring worker.

Also, his promos have some entertainment value, if you like the whole faux-grandiose high school poetry thing, but I don't think they're money promos. Too much time spent on fleshing out the character, not enough time spent on building up the angle and drawing heat.

BUT: I don't believe this report.

Punk got a promo on Raw. Before he even picked up the title.

If they weren't serious about him, why would they push him on the A show?

Not to mention it was pretty clear he'd get the belt anyway.

This is bait to get the smarks riled up for Punk.

[poi zen rana]

curryman said:

Whoever called Punk a "glorified midcarder" I say ROFL.

honestly just take a look at where his matches fall on wwe ppvs when the whole company is being showcased. he is most definitely a worker in the midcard area. he may be glorified by having a brand belt but he is still being used as a midcarder.

[General Adam]

mygreatesthour said:

As I mentioned in my PWInsiderXtra.com Q and A today, the current plan is for CM Punk to hold the ECW Title until John Morrison comes back, then he will lose it back to the now former champ. Yes, I know this will tick a lot of people off. Yes, I also hope WWE comes to their senses in the next month and doesn't Orton Punk by making him a short term champ.

-PWInsider.com

adamhauser said:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Red 'n' Black Reggie]

what the hell? you have huge contraversy over steroids, and yet you push a guy who has just been suspended for taking them over a guy who is hugely over, can put on a great match, can talk, and is an excellent role model? i like jim morris-minor as much as the next person, but this is just illogical.

but on the other hand, this does mean we get at least two more punk/morrison matches, which can't be bad.

[The Genesis of KoOS]

andrewisgood said:

Also, people say Morrison isn't over. Remember, a heel is not supposed to get over. And also, the best way to get a hot babyface over is to get him behind a hated heel.

1. Being over doesn't apply to only babyfaces. Being over is the amount of reaction the fans give you.

2. You can't be a hated heel if the fans don't give two shits about you, like Morrison.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

hsquat said:

I don't believe this report.

Punk got a promo on Raw. Before he even picked up the title.

If they weren't serious about him, why would they push him on the A show?

Not to mention it was pretty clear he'd get the belt anyway.

This is bait to get the smarks riled up for Punk.

I'm starting to suspect that too.

And if you're losing sleep worrying about this, you need to reassess yourself anyway.

[imisswwf]

the ECW belt is cursed. Every holder of it has had horrible fortune. The latest is Morrison.

[wwefan78]

Going by Al Snow ring-psychology Morrisons main fault as a heel is that he is "too flashy" move-set wise. How is he going to draw heat when he's doing flip-flop moves and corkskrew monsaults that people ooh and aah at? Sure he's doing it just to show he can, but if he had the charisma and micskills to draw most of his heat that way the ringwork wouldn't matter as much (considering his selling is top notch). Maybe things have changed though. Perhaps heels are allowed to have a "flashier" movesets than faces these days..I still makes the faces who can't match those moves look weak and boring but that's another topic alltogether..

ONTOPIC I'm betting on Morrison invoking his rematch-clause as former champion at No Mercy in Chicago and regaining it in front of Punks hometown crowd..How you like them apples?

[The Genesis of KoOS]

Yeah WWE usually likes to job people out in their hometowns.

[jmac950]

wwefan78 said:

Going by Al Snow ring-psychology Morrisons main fault as a heel is that he is "too flashy" move-set wise. How is he going to draw heat when he's doing flip-flop moves and corkskrew monsaults that people ooh and aah at? Sure he's doing it just to show he can, but if he had the charisma and micskills to draw most of his heat that way the ringwork wouldn't matter as much (considering his selling is top notch). Maybe things have changed though. Perhaps heels are allowed to have a "flashier" movesets than faces these days..I still makes the faces who can't match those moves look weak and boring but that's another topic alltogether..

ONTOPIC I'm betting on Morrison invoking his rematch-clause as former champion at No Mercy in Chicago and regaining it in front of Punks hometown crowd..How you like them apples?

That makes Morrison so damn unique. I think he can get the heat he wants by doing his flashy moves. He just needs to turn his character up a little more in the "Rockstar" department. i'm telling you, give him different groupies, show vingettes of him partying all night (taking a page out of Paris Hilton/Rockstars), and watch the fans hate every split moonsault, corkscrew move he does.

I like Punk and all, but could you imagine what Chicago would be like if Morrison won? *drools* That'd be freaking hot. Give Morrison the mic afterwards, and maybe he could start a riot.

[Old School Heel mark4Morishima]

jmac950 said:

wwefan78 said:

Going by Al Snow ring-psychology Morrisons main fault as a heel is that he is "too flashy" move-set wise. How is he going to draw heat when he's doing flip-flop moves and corkskrew monsaults that people ooh and aah at? Sure he's doing it just to show he can, but if he had the charisma and micskills to draw most of his heat that way the ringwork wouldn't matter as much (considering his selling is top notch). Maybe things have changed though. Perhaps heels are allowed to have a "flashier" movesets than faces these days..I still makes the faces who can't match those moves look weak and boring but that's another topic alltogether..

ONTOPIC I'm betting on Morrison invoking his rematch-clause as former champion at No Mercy in Chicago and regaining it in front of Punks hometown crowd..How you like them apples?

That makes Morrison so damn unique. I think he can get the heat he wants by doing his flashy moves. He just needs to turn his character up a little more in the "Rockstar" department. i'm telling you, give him different groupies, show vingettes of him partying all night (taking a page out of Paris Hilton/Rockstars), and watch the fans hate every split moonsault, corkscrew move he does.

I like Punk and all, but could you imagine what Chicago would be like if Morrison won? *drools* That'd be freaking hot. Give Morrison the mic afterwards, and maybe he could start a riot.

See that's why the product sucks these days - the writers and workers think this exact same way.

Everybody relies on promos to "build up their character" and then just puts on a pure athletic display in the ring.

The ring is the primary place where a wrestler's character comes across. If your character is a slick heel, you got no business doing the kind of spots that Johnny Nitro does. You gotta move like a slick heel, so the audience doesn't have to think back to your promos to remember why they hate you; they just hate you based on how you move.

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jmac950 said:

wwefan78 said:

Going by Al Snow ring-psychology Morrisons main fault as a heel is that he is "too flashy" move-set wise. How is he going to draw heat when he's doing flip-flop moves and corkskrew monsaults that people ooh and aah at? Sure he's doing it just to show he can, but if he had the charisma and micskills to draw most of his heat that way the ringwork wouldn't matter as much (considering his selling is top notch). Maybe things have changed though. Perhaps heels are allowed to have a "flashier" movesets than faces these days..I still makes the faces who can't match those moves look weak and boring but that's another topic alltogether..

ONTOPIC I'm betting on Morrison invoking his rematch-clause as former champion at No Mercy in Chicago and regaining it in front of Punks hometown crowd..How you like them apples?

That makes Morrison so damn unique. I think he can get the heat he wants by doing his flashy moves. He just needs to turn his character up a little more in the "Rockstar" department. i'm telling you, give him different groupies, show vingettes of him partying all night (taking a page out of Paris Hilton/Rockstars), and watch the fans hate every split moonsault, corkscrew move he does.

I like Punk and all, but could you imagine what Chicago would be like if Morrison won? *drools* That'd be freaking hot. Give Morrison the mic afterwards, and maybe he could start a riot.

Personally, I think they need to pull a redo on Johnny's old push from 2006. That is, give him his manager back, and make him look like a flashy guy who if you catch him, you can kick his ass, but if he gets angry, he'll knock you into next week with his style of brawling. They can keep the gimmick, but I personally think he'd do better with "annoying" music. Screamy, screechy, howly. Make him sound like he's out to make everyone wretch and he loves it.

Back in 2006, he didn't fit it. Nowadays, he could really get to that next level. Make the new version of Edge/Lita. But with the celeb/rockstar gimmick combo.

[The Genesis of KoOS]

The only type of riots Morrison could cause would be riots via everyone trying to go take a piss when he's on.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

hsquat said:

jmac950 said:

That makes Morrison so damn unique. I think he can get the heat he wants by doing his flashy moves. He just needs to turn his character up a little more in the "Rockstar" department. i'm telling you, give him different groupies, show vingettes of him partying all night (taking a page out of Paris Hilton/Rockstars), and watch the fans hate every split moonsault, corkscrew move he does.

I like Punk and all, but could you imagine what Chicago would be like if Morrison won? *drools* That'd be freaking hot. Give Morrison the mic afterwards, and maybe he could start a riot.

See that's why the product sucks these days - the writers and workers think this exact same way.

Everybody relies on promos to "build up their character" and then just puts on a pure athletic display in the ring.

The ring is the primary place where a wrestler's character comes across. If your character is a slick heel, you got no business doing the kind of spots that Johnny Nitro does. You gotta move like a slick heel, so the audience doesn't have to think back to your promos to remember why they hate you; they just hate you based on how you move.

::applauds::

[The Ichi]

kingofoldschool said:

The only type of riots Morrison could cause would be riots via everyone trying to go take a piss when he's on.

Gold!

I might sig that actually.

[jmac950]

hsquat said:

jmac950 said:

That makes Morrison so damn unique. I think he can get the heat he wants by doing his flashy moves. He just needs to turn his character up a little more in the "Rockstar" department. i'm telling you, give him different groupies, show vingettes of him partying all night (taking a page out of Paris Hilton/Rockstars), and watch the fans hate every split moonsault, corkscrew move he does.

I like Punk and all, but could you imagine what Chicago would be like if Morrison won? *drools* That'd be freaking hot. Give Morrison the mic afterwards, and maybe he could start a riot.

See that's why the product sucks these days - the writers and workers think this exact same way.

Everybody relies on promos to "build up their character" and then just puts on a pure athletic display in the ring.

The ring is the primary place where a wrestler's character comes across. If your character is a slick heel, you got no business doing the kind of spots that Johnny Nitro does. You gotta move like a slick heel, so the audience doesn't have to think back to your promos to remember why they hate you; they just hate you based on how you move.

I see what you are saying, but, I stilll disagree. You still need to cut a promo to get your character across. Otherwise, you'll have the slick heels with all the same movesets. And that's boring. I get the impression Morrison is supposed to be this flashy, over the top, good looking heel that people are supposed to hate. That's where his spots come in. That's where his mic work comes in, to make you hate him for doing these over the top moves. You take those moves away, and you have another edge, orton, carlito, etc.

[Old School Heel mark4Morishima]

jmac950 said:

I see what you are saying, but, I stilll disagree. You still need to cut a promo to get your character across. Otherwise, you'll have the slick heels with all the same movesets. And that's boring. I get the impression Morrison is supposed to be this flashy, over the top, good looking heel that people are supposed to hate. That's where his spots come in. That's where his mic work comes in, to make you hate him for doing these over the top moves. You take those moves away, and you have another edge, orton, carlito, etc.

Of course you need promos. Well, I'm not sure you do - Bruno Sammartino couldn't cut a promo to save his life, and who's ever been more over than him. But it sure does help.

Anyway, there's a lot of ways to move like a slick heel. Edge doesn't move the same as Carlito. And neither one of them move the same as Ric Flair. But they all move like slick heels.

I must have missed the part where the crowd goes crazy booing Johnny Nitro's moonsaults and backflips or other monkeyshines. Could you point me to a Dailymotion clip where that happens? Cause I sure don't remember it ever happening.

[Silent Brad]

aodpilot said:

If this is true, IF. This is true...

F***

my thoughts exactly