Orton is bulletproof

[mysterydriver]

danimal1 said:

mysterydriver said:

What message is that? Oh, right, roids. Cause you sold them to him?

The man was out with injury for a long time and has now returned. Wrestlers typically train a lot while on the road and now that he's back he could have very easily put size on by getting back into his regular and day-to-day workout schedule that he didn't get to do while injured.

It sounds like I'm talking in circles, but I'm just trying to make a point. I hate how people immediately go to the "Steroids" ideal.

I can't wait to see what happens when Bobby Lashley comes back from a rotator cuff injury that most definitely hampers lifting weights. We'll see "Bobby must be off the roids" posts and as he gains back size we'll see "I guess Bobby found his roids" posts.

Is it just me? Anyone?

Ya it is just you. Spent any time at the gym? I have, I'm not expert enough to pick-out the more borderline guys but HHH is juiced. Lashley is juiced. Accept it. Steroids aren't going away and the "wellness" policy is not going to be enforced the same on everyone. Fewer guys will be juiced and there will be more moderation but roids aren't being banished by a longshot.

Again...how do you KNOW Triple H is juiced. "Cause he looks like it!" Right. I hate that.

Could he be on roids? Yes. It would explain his growth of size very easily. I'm just suggesting that being in the gym every day since his return could easily give him some extra size. Hey, it could even be both, thats another possibility.

However, it's the same old song and dance. I hate seeing people accuse others of being on roids just because they put on a little size. Goodness knows, Mark Henry has probably gotten so pissed off over the years from those who look at him and think roids.

So, I agree with you that there is roids. I agree that some guys most likely use them most of the time. All I'm saying is, a good workout and major time in the gym can put some size on someone.

[doytch]

buckyayo said:

I've come to the conclusion that Randy Orton is pretty much untouchable. They have actually just stopped bothering to punish him at this point. He gets caught on roids... they give him the title. Twice. He wasnt even off TV. He's Teflon.

orton will losed soon by triple h and be put in the hospital or jail. he has little, this is what i do.

[Tea & Crumpets]

buckyayo said:

Perry Saturn is bulletproof.

Fixed for truth.


But yeah, Orton is immune to any and all consequences.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

cenamark21 said:

I find it odd people are saying Orton shouldn't be champion because of steroid violations, but ignore the fact that IWC favourites Edge and Rey have turned up on as many lists as he as. Should they be demoted as well?

I'm not saying he's perfect, but anyone trying to claim he is the single reason the wellness policy looks like a joke is seriously deluded.

I'm sure it doesn't count for anything, but I can't stand Rey and wouldn't mind him being "demoted" one bit.

And I must've missed the part where being a good heel meant doing drugs. Seriously, is that an excuse these days? If that's the case, Anthony Hopkins performance as Hannibal Lector means nothing, unless he ate people's faces for real.

[The F'N Captain]

I was pretty sure all those "incidents" were confirmed. As far as proof, well the suspensions not even a week after those "omg fake newz" stories were posted couldn't just be coincidence.

I'm not saying you should hate Orton. Feel free to boo or cheer him all you want. The fact is though, he has gotten in hot water, and has managed to be pushed to the moon(usually very shortly after said supensions) while others with lesser offenses have been punished or let go. Just because he is over as a heel doesn't mean suddenly he's immune. RVD was hella over with the fans, then he screws up and had both titles taken away and depushed like a mofo. It's hypocrisy. That's it.

[Christianv2]

Orton has pictures... pictures of Vince in certain positions with other wrestlers. Thats why hes bulletproof. Well, thats the only thing I can figure.

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Atleast half of Orton incidents are either made up or exaggerated.

For instance, it's been confirmed a thousand times that he never "pooped in a hand bag". Also their was reports that he got suspended when he was really moving or something. Then this latest incident where he allegedly stole someones memory card from the camera was reported on one site and nothing was ever heard about it again.

I'm not saying Orton isn't a douche, but the Wrestling Newz media has it out for him more than Bill O'reilly has it out for Ludacris.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

brentreznor said:

Atleast half of Orton incidents are either made up or exaggerated.

For instance, it's been confirmed a thousand times that he never "pooped in a hand bag". Also their was reports that he got suspended when he was really moving or something. Then this latest incident where he allegedly stole someones memory card from the camera was reported on one site and nothing was ever heard about it again.

I'm not saying Orton isn't a douche, but the Wrestling Newz media has it out for him more than Bill O'reilly has it out for Ludacris.

Actually I read the thing about the camera card on a few sites before it was posted here. No, nothing was ever said about it, but what would you expect to be reported? "The card is still stolen, Orton still a douche"?

[Ace Diamond]

brentreznor said:

Atleast half of Orton incidents are either made up or exaggerated.

For instance, it's been confirmed a thousand times that he never "pooped in a hand bag". Also their was reports that he got suspended when he was really moving or something. Then this latest incident where he allegedly stole someones memory card from the camera was reported on one site and nothing was ever heard about it again.

I'm not saying Orton isn't a douche, but the Wrestling Newz media has it out for him more than Bill O'reilly has it out for Ludacris.

Um, you do realize you mentioned 2 incidents out of a possible 10+, right? That's not "half". And one of them is a half-truth, in that Randy Orton did rib at least one Diva via putting copious amounts of hand-lotion in her bag. And maybe if you realized that even if half of them aren't true, then that's still a lot of reports that Randy is a complete dickwad.

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godz said:

brentreznor said:

Atleast half of Orton incidents are either made up or exaggerated.

For instance, it's been confirmed a thousand times that he never "pooped in a hand bag". Also their was reports that he got suspended when he was really moving or something. Then this latest incident where he allegedly stole someones memory card from the camera was reported on one site and nothing was ever heard about it again.

I'm not saying Orton isn't a douche, but the Wrestling Newz media has it out for him more than Bill O'reilly has it out for Ludacris.

Actually I read the thing about the camera card on a few sites before it was posted here. No, nothing was ever said about it, but what would you expect to be reported? "The card is still stolen, Orton still a douche"?

Basically all the was reported is what the fan sent in. No other witnesses said anything, Orton didn't give his side of the story etc.

For all we know it was some nutjob who has an axe to grind with Orton.

[The F'N Captain]

brentreznor said:

Atleast half of Orton incidents are either made up or exaggerated.

For instance, it's been confirmed a thousand times that he never "pooped in a hand bag". Also their was reports that he got suspended when he was really moving or something. Then this latest incident where he allegedly stole someones memory card from the camera was reported on one site and nothing was ever heard about it again.

I'm not saying Orton isn't a douche, but the Wrestling Newz media has it out for him more than Bill O'reilly has it out for Ludacris.

Actually I saw Randy in Hardee's yesterday and he blurted out at me...

"Yes I did those things, all those things that were done were done by me. Randy Orton."

So bleh ;D

[Vinny McCool]

Damn! My photoshop got no-sold.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

brentreznor said:

godz said:

Actually I read the thing about the camera card on a few sites before it was posted here. No, nothing was ever said about it, but what would you expect to be reported? "The card is still stolen, Orton still a douche"?

Basically all the was reported is what the fan sent in. No other witnesses said anything, Orton didn't give his side of the story etc.

For all we know it was some nutjob who has an axe to grind with Orton.

Sure, maybe, but, it's not like you'd have to make something new up to bash Orton, there's plenty already out there. Plus the signature on the $100 the guy had looks just like his, but maybe he's a forgery expert.

The point is Orton is still a douche, and if he craps in a bag and no one knows it was his, he still did it.

Or thats how the old analogy goes, anyhow.

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aodpilot said:

brentreznor said:

Atleast half of Orton incidents are either made up or exaggerated.

For instance, it's been confirmed a thousand times that he never "pooped in a hand bag". Also their was reports that he got suspended when he was really moving or something. Then this latest incident where he allegedly stole someones memory card from the camera was reported on one site and nothing was ever heard about it again.

I'm not saying Orton isn't a douche, but the Wrestling Newz media has it out for him more than Bill O'reilly has it out for Ludacris.

Um, you do realize you mentioned 2 incidents out of a possible 10+, right? That's not "half". And one of them is a half-truth, in that Randy Orton did rib at least one Diva via putting copious amounts of hand-lotion in her bag. And maybe if you realized that even if half of them aren't true, then that's still a lot of reports that Randy is a complete dickwad.

And I'm supposed to care why? Do I pay Orton? Do I have to work with Orton?

And what are these supposed to 10+ incidents?

[Ace Diamond]

brentreznor said:

aodpilot said:

Um, you do realize you mentioned 2 incidents out of a possible 10+, right? That's not "half". And one of them is a half-truth, in that Randy Orton did rib at least one Diva via putting copious amounts of hand-lotion in her bag. And maybe if you realized that even if half of them aren't true, then that's still a lot of reports that Randy is a complete dickwad.

And I'm supposed to care why? Do I pay Orton? Do I have to work with Orton?

And what are these supposed to 10+ incidents?

I'm probably exaggerating but apparently there are many many reports of Orton being jerks to the fans outside of kayfabe sensibility, as well as his transgressions in the fine art of doing illegal substances, and destroying hotel rooms.

Oh, and going AWOL from the military twice, if we want to go back that far.

[CrazySting]

sexualwalking said:

I was pretty sure all those "incidents" were confirmed. As far as proof, well the suspensions not even a week after those "omg fake newz" stories were posted couldn't just be coincidence.

I'm not saying you should hate Orton. Feel free to boo or cheer him all you want. The fact is though, he has gotten in hot water, and has managed to be pushed to the moon(usually very shortly after said supensions) while others with lesser offenses have been punished or let go. Just because he is over as a heel doesn't mean suddenly he's immune. RVD was hella over with the fans, then he screws up and had both titles taken away and depushed like a mofo. It's hypocrisy. That's it.

I think the people who accuse WWE of hypocrisy can be quite hypocritical in regards to Orton as well.

Yes, he's shown up on these signature lists. But so have Rey, Edge, Kennedy..etc. No one's demanded they be depushed, and I'm sure people still hope Kennedy will be revealed as Vince's illegitimate son. And people can't wait for Edge to win the title upon his return.

His bad behaviour? Austin, JBL, HBK have all done worse. But since they're favourites no one ever says anything (granted HBK has redeemed himself so he might not count). I have this funny feeling the same people criticising Orton for being a jerk to women, are the same one cheering the hell out of Austin when he shows up.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

cenamark21 said:

sexualwalking said:

I was pretty sure all those "incidents" were confirmed. As far as proof, well the suspensions not even a week after those "omg fake newz" stories were posted couldn't just be coincidence.

I'm not saying you should hate Orton. Feel free to boo or cheer him all you want. The fact is though, he has gotten in hot water, and has managed to be pushed to the moon(usually very shortly after said supensions) while others with lesser offenses have been punished or let go. Just because he is over as a heel doesn't mean suddenly he's immune. RVD was hella over with the fans, then he screws up and had both titles taken away and depushed like a mofo. It's hypocrisy. That's it.

I think the people who accuse WWE of hypocrisy can be quite hypocritical in regards to Orton as well.

Yes, he's shown up on these signature lists. But so have Rey, Edge, Kennedy..etc. No one's demanded they be depushed, and I'm sure people still hope Kennedy will be revealed as Vince's illegitimate son. And people can't wait for Edge to win the title upon his return.

His bad behaviour? Austin, JBL, HBK have all done worse. But since they're favourites no one ever says anything (granted HBK has redeemed himself so he might not count). I have this funny feeling the same people criticising Orton for being a jerk to women, are the same one cheering the hell out of Austin when he shows up.

Did Austin ever tell his side of the story?

I think it's a valid point, Debra might not be the most trustworthy person in the world, since I saw her on (I believe) Hannity and Colmes saying Austin did steroids all the time (Maybe he did, I dont know) and she was asking Hugh Morrus "HOW WOULD YOU LIKE A 500 POUND MAN BEATING ON YOU EVREY NIGHT!?"

Ah...huh.

So, sure, he might've abused her (which is wrong, don't get me wrong) but who's to say she's 100% trustworthy/innocent?

[CrazySting]

godz said:

cenamark21 said:

I think the people who accuse WWE of hypocrisy can be quite hypocritical in regards to Orton as well.

Yes, he's shown up on these signature lists. But so have Rey, Edge, Kennedy..etc. No one's demanded they be depushed, and I'm sure people still hope Kennedy will be revealed as Vince's illegitimate son. And people can't wait for Edge to win the title upon his return.

His bad behaviour? Austin, JBL, HBK have all done worse. But since they're favourites no one ever says anything (granted HBK has redeemed himself so he might not count). I have this funny feeling the same people criticising Orton for being a jerk to women, are the same one cheering the hell out of Austin when he shows up.

Did Austin ever tell his side of the story?

I think it's a valid point, Debra might not be the most trustworthy person in the world, since I saw her on (I believe) Hannity and Colmes saying Austin did steroids all the time (Maybe he did, I dont know) and she was asking Hugh Morrus "HOW WOULD YOU LIKE A 500 POUND MAN BEATING ON YOU EVREY NIGHT!?"

Ah...huh.

So, sure, he might've abused her (which is wrong, don't get me wrong) but who's to say she's 100% trustworthy/innocent?

He had a chance in his book to set the record straight, all he said was 'there was an incident' and 'he regretted it'. No defense or anything,

Also, considering he plead no contest in court for assaulting her, I have to think it was the truth. If it had been in self defense, he surely would have said something (although even in self defense I don't get how she ended up with bruises in her face and back, all her had to do was restrain her)

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cenamark21 said:

sexualwalking said:

I was pretty sure all those "incidents" were confirmed. As far as proof, well the suspensions not even a week after those "omg fake newz" stories were posted couldn't just be coincidence.

I'm not saying you should hate Orton. Feel free to boo or cheer him all you want. The fact is though, he has gotten in hot water, and has managed to be pushed to the moon(usually very shortly after said supensions) while others with lesser offenses have been punished or let go. Just because he is over as a heel doesn't mean suddenly he's immune. RVD was hella over with the fans, then he screws up and had both titles taken away and depushed like a mofo. It's hypocrisy. That's it.

I think the people who accuse WWE of hypocrisy can be quite hypocritical in regards to Orton as well.

Yes, he's shown up on these signature lists. But so have Rey, Edge, Kennedy..etc. No one's demanded they be depushed, and I'm sure people still hope Kennedy will be revealed as Vince's illegitimate son. And people can't wait for Edge to win the title upon his return.

His bad behaviour? Austin, JBL, HBK have all done worse. But since they're favourites no one ever says anything (granted HBK has redeemed himself so he might not count). I have this funny feeling the same people criticising Orton for being a jerk to women, are the same one cheering the hell out of Austin when he shows up.

Agreed.

If Ortons Douchebagary were that big of a liability to the company, he would be fired. Just look at Ultimate Warrior.

But WWE has dealt with the likes of woman beaters, drug addicts, adulterers, fan-haters all in the past.

Randy Orton is simply maintaining the status que.

[Ace Diamond]

cenamark21 said:

sexualwalking said:

I was pretty sure all those "incidents" were confirmed. As far as proof, well the suspensions not even a week after those "omg fake newz" stories were posted couldn't just be coincidence.

I'm not saying you should hate Orton. Feel free to boo or cheer him all you want. The fact is though, he has gotten in hot water, and has managed to be pushed to the moon(usually very shortly after said supensions) while others with lesser offenses have been punished or let go. Just because he is over as a heel doesn't mean suddenly he's immune. RVD was hella over with the fans, then he screws up and had both titles taken away and depushed like a mofo. It's hypocrisy. That's it.

I think the people who accuse WWE of hypocrisy can be quite hypocritical in regards to Orton as well.

Yes, he's shown up on these signature lists. But so have Rey, Edge, Kennedy..etc. No one's demanded they be depushed, and I'm sure people still hope Kennedy will be revealed as Vince's illegitimate son. And people can't wait for Edge to win the title upon his return.

His bad behaviour? Austin, JBL, HBK have all done worse. But since they're favourites no one ever says anything (granted HBK has redeemed himself so he might not count). I have this funny feeling the same people criticising Orton for being a jerk to women, are the same one cheering the hell out of Austin when he shows up.

You know what's interesting though? Edge already owned up to being on that list, when it FIRST came out many many MANY months ago. That's why we're not mad at him. Also he doesn't have a history of being a douchebag save for his infidelity, the last case of which was 2 years ago. And if he and Matt can patch things up, then who are we to keep bitching about it? Another example of somebody confessing is Gregory Helms, who explained why he showed up on that list.

In any event, I don't think any of them instantly deserve a belt on return at all, instead having to work their way back up to it a bit, while hopefully not jeapordizing the already gutted main-event scene.

JBL's done bad, sure, but he's often paid for it (Stevie Richards busting him open hardway in revenge for Blue Meanie, the fact he can't even wrestle anymore because of his back)

also let's point out that most of the people you keep mentioning are actually entertaining people and good workers, unlike Orton who seems to enjoy coasting whenever he gets into a position of power (as evidenced by his wonderful portrayal of "man not caring" this past Monday)

And since apparently backstage incidents mean squat when somebody's entertaining, as evidenced by everyone suddenly marking for Orton because of his weak little kick to people's heads, then I don't see why this point-counterpoint is even going on. Stark's right, this isn't about cheering or booing someone based on their ring work, it's wondering how good for business it really is to put the top title on a loose cannon like Orton.

And personally, I just don't think somebody with that many problems should be in the position he's in, and it just so happens he doesn't entertain me in the least.

And if you think I'm biased, I'm not. I personally didn't want to see Jeff Hardy in the ring again until he cleaned up, which he seems to have (hopefully)