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Post by Mitch 4:20 on Nov 3, 2007 18:06:35 GMT -5
I haven't been watching for 30 years, I've been watching for 18 years, but here is what I've always found, and I'll take this from another post I made in another thread: I say that you have a better chance of making it big when you're bigger, but as far as making as the "cream of the crop", you know, the flagship, the golden goose, the measuring stick, the guy that the company is going to be built around, chances are it's going to be a more mainstream, average sized, "in the middle" type of guy with alot of charisma and talent. In the era where guys like Big John Studd, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, One Man Gang, and Andre the Giant "made it" because of their size, as well as bodybuilder-esque guys like Herculese, Warrior, and Rick Rude, It was Hogan who was leading the pack. In an era where guys like Diesel, Undertaker, Vader, Yokozuna, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, Kama, and Sycho Sid "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Ahmed Johnson, Lex Luger, and Warrior, It was Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels who were leading the pack. In an era where guys like Kane, Undertaker, Sid, Viscera, LOD, Big Show, Rikishi, "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Bulldog and HHH, It was Stone Cold leading the pack. In an era where guys like Undertaker, Kane, Snitsky, Umaga, Mark Henry, Boogeyman, Khali, Kevin Thorn, and Big Daddy V have "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Chris Masters, It's John Cena that's the leader of the pack. This is the first time that bodybuilder-esque guys like Lashley and Batista have been given a chance to run with the ball and actually stay with it, as well as HHH earlier, but that's because Rock and Austin left. See, The big, "freak of nature" type guys are a good challenge for the "mainstream" guy to overcome. That's why they're there. They're something different to look st. So yes, If you're 7ft tall and 350 lbs, you'll have an eiser time getting a job with WWE, but that's all you'll basically have, is a spot on the roster. If you want to be the guy winning the main event of Wrestlemania for multiple years, and you want to be the guy that's carrying the company on your back for many years, you better not be 7ft tall and 350 lbs. Charisma is most important, but connection with the crowd is also important, and It's easier for the crowd to connect with someone who is understandable to them. A giant serial killer in a movie, that wears a hocky mask and carries a chainsaw, the crowd won't connect with. The guy running away from him, the crowd easily connects with, and will be the main charactor of the movie. But who is selling the movie? Probably the guy that's destined to be beaten, even as a supporting actor. In WWE, this is what the big guys, the bodybuilder guys, and the 500 pounders are used for. Yes, they get "pushes", but lets not be too vague about that. Their push will only go so far. If Chris Masters were to ever become champion, it would only be sothat he could loose it to Cena ect..ect... sadly, not many people will take the time to read all that. I did though and I liked what i read.
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Post by thesunbeast on Nov 3, 2007 18:16:20 GMT -5
I haven't been watching for 30 years, I've been watching for 18 years, but here is what I've always found, and I'll take this from another post I made in another thread: I say that you have a better chance of making it big when you're bigger, but as far as making as the "cream of the crop", you know, the flagship, the golden goose, the measuring stick, the guy that the company is going to be built around, chances are it's going to be a more mainstream, average sized, "in the middle" type of guy with alot of charisma and talent. In the era where guys like Big John Studd, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, One Man Gang, and Andre the Giant "made it" because of their size, as well as bodybuilder-esque guys like Herculese, Warrior, and Rick Rude, It was Hogan who was leading the pack. In an era where guys like Diesel, Undertaker, Vader, Yokozuna, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, Kama, and Sycho Sid "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Ahmed Johnson, Lex Luger, and Warrior, It was Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels who were leading the pack. In an era where guys like Kane, Undertaker, Sid, Viscera, LOD, Big Show, Rikishi, "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Bulldog and HHH, It was Stone Cold leading the pack. In an era where guys like Undertaker, Kane, Snitsky, Umaga, Mark Henry, Boogeyman, Khali, Kevin Thorn, and Big Daddy V have "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Chris Masters, It's John Cena that's the leader of the pack. This is the first time that bodybuilder-esque guys like Lashley and Batista have been given a chance to run with the ball and actually stay with it, as well as HHH earlier, but that's because Rock and Austin left. See, The big, "freak of nature" type guys are a good challenge for the "mainstream" guy to overcome. That's why they're there. They're something different to look st. So yes, If you're 7ft tall and 350 lbs, you'll have an eiser time getting a job with WWE, but that's all you'll basically have, is a spot on the roster. If you want to be the guy winning the main event of Wrestlemania for multiple years, and you want to be the guy that's carrying the company on your back for many years, you better not be 7ft tall and 350 lbs. Charisma is most important, but connection with the crowd is also important, and It's easier for the crowd to connect with someone who is understandable to them. A giant serial killer in a movie, that wears a hocky mask and carries a chainsaw, the crowd won't connect with. The guy running away from him, the crowd easily connects with, and will be the main charactor of the movie. But who is selling the movie? Probably the guy that's destined to be beaten, even as a supporting actor. In WWE, this is what the big guys, the bodybuilder guys, and the 500 pounders are used for. Yes, they get "pushes", but lets not be too vague about that. Their push will only go so far. If Chris Masters were to ever become champion, it would only be sothat he could loose it to Cena ect..ect... sadly, not many people will take the time to read all that. I did though and I liked what i read. Well, Thanks. If one person see the light, good enough for me.
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Post by Legion on Nov 3, 2007 18:49:37 GMT -5
It is interesting that people always attack Vince for always pushing body builders and yet his biggest drawing guys like Hogan, Austin, Rock where never really body builders.
Guys like Batista and Warrior got pushed cos the crowd love/d them. It isnt always Vince saying you need to be big or bigger.
However, the truth is that the muscular guys simply look more likely to be wrestlers and thus they tend to be the ones that get the pushes.
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Post by RedSmile on Nov 3, 2007 18:52:41 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan was never a body builder type? ? I beg to differ
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Post by joeman on Nov 3, 2007 18:57:51 GMT -5
I kind of feel sorry for Chris Masters. The man is picked on in the locker rooms and hated here. Yeah, he might be a roid user, but so are so many others are in the field of wrestling. He isn't a waste either. DH Smith taking failing the drug test is a shock to me, only because his father died due to abuse. It is sad, since I watched the WWF special in 97 and Davey Boy Smith, or his wife said that the Bulldog wanted to wrestle with his son once he grows up.
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Post by ghettooverlord on Nov 3, 2007 19:11:27 GMT -5
Why can't these idiots actually listen to Vince and Trips when they say steroids are bad?
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Post by joeman on Nov 3, 2007 19:15:41 GMT -5
I can't believe people are solely blaming Vince for this. CM Punk isn't on steroids, but he isn't being criticized by Triple H about this. Masters was made fun of (kayfabe), only because his gimmick before his initial caught was he was a giant with large arms that he use to perform a finisher which many didn't get out from. Seriously, wrestlers should take responsibility for their own answers and people should not blame Vince for all the steroid busts.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Nov 3, 2007 19:18:53 GMT -5
Let's Hope Destructive Herpes Smisth learns one valuable lesson:Never hold on to Bobby Lashley's urine sample when he tells you he "Needs to get something out of my car".
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Post by RedSmile on Nov 3, 2007 19:19:13 GMT -5
I can't believe people are solely blaming Vince for this. CM Punk isn't on steroids, but he isn't being criticized by Triple H about this. Masters was made fun of (kayfabe), only because his gimmick before his initial caught was he was a giant with large arms that he use to perform a finisher which many didn't get out from. Seriously, wrestlers should take responsibility for their own answers and people should not blame Vince for all the steroid busts. You are correct. Vince doesn't force wrestlers to take anything illegal However, IMO, Vince is still an enabler. Pro wrestling is a dirty sport and Vince McMahon is Pro Wrestling.
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Post by HRH The KING on Nov 3, 2007 19:29:33 GMT -5
Perhaps, but it drew unnecessary attention to his physique.
Why mention it at all when it's a real problem WWE has to deal with?
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Post by joeman on Nov 3, 2007 19:34:08 GMT -5
Perhaps, but it drew unnecessary attention to his physique. Why mention it at all when it's a real problem WWE has to deal with? Because Masters came back as "leaner and stronger than ever" by Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler. WWE didn't hide the fact that the man was lighter, and since DX was supposedly a comedy faction, they thought taking shots at the man's physique was funny. WWE could have said nothing when Masters returned, but it was too hard to avoid the fact that he lost tremendous amount of weight.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 3, 2007 20:08:43 GMT -5
I find it interesting that both of them are suspended for violating the wellness policy, and immediately everyone jumps on the "Harry should know better, look at what steroids did to his father etc etc" train. We haven't been told exactly why they have been suspended have we? It's just that we are all too keen to slag off the press for its 'roid based assumptions in any dead wrestler story, yet we seem to jump straight onto the same bandwagon, given half a chance. Because a lot of us have read a lot about the wellness policy and steroids and have watched wrestling for years and can pretty much spot when a guy is on on the gas. This is a pretty funny statement, roids don't even remotely affect people the same way. A guy can look like Cena or Batista and not be on roids based on his genetics the same as a guy who looks like Matt Hardy or Jeff Hardy can be on roids... Saying you can spot who's using roids just based on how they look is ludicrous.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 3, 2007 20:15:16 GMT -5
I haven't been watching for 30 years, I've been watching for 18 years, but here is what I've always found, and I'll take this from another post I made in another thread: I say that you have a better chance of making it big when you're bigger, but as far as making as the "cream of the crop", you know, the flagship, the golden goose, the measuring stick, the guy that the company is going to be built around, chances are it's going to be a more mainstream, average sized, "in the middle" type of guy with alot of charisma and talent. In the era where guys like Big John Studd, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, One Man Gang, and Andre the Giant "made it" because of their size, as well as bodybuilder-esque guys like Herculese, Warrior, and Rick Rude, It was Hogan who was leading the pack. In an era where guys like Diesel, Undertaker, Vader, Yokozuna, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, Kama, and Sycho Sid "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Ahmed Johnson, Lex Luger, and Warrior, It was Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels who were leading the pack. In an era where guys like Kane, Undertaker, Sid, Viscera, LOD, Big Show, Rikishi, "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Bulldog and HHH, It was Stone Cold leading the pack. In an era where guys like Undertaker, Kane, Snitsky, Umaga, Mark Henry, Boogeyman, Khali, Kevin Thorn, and Big Daddy V have "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Chris Masters, It's John Cena that's the leader of the pack. This is the first time that bodybuilder-esque guys like Lashley and Batista have been given a chance to run with the ball and actually stay with it, as well as HHH earlier, but that's because Rock and Austin left. See, The big, "freak of nature" type guys are a good challenge for the "mainstream" guy to overcome. That's why they're there. They're something different to look st. So yes, If you're 7ft tall and 350 lbs, you'll have an eiser time getting a job with WWE, but that's all you'll basically have, is a spot on the roster. If you want to be the guy winning the main event of Wrestlemania for multiple years, and you want to be the guy that's carrying the company on your back for many years, you better not be 7ft tall and 350 lbs. Charisma is most important, but connection with the crowd is also important, and It's easier for the crowd to connect with someone who is understandable to them. A giant serial killer in a movie, that wears a hocky mask and carries a chainsaw, the crowd won't connect with. The guy running away from him, the crowd easily connects with, and will be the main charactor of the movie. But who is selling the movie? Probably the guy that's destined to be beaten, even as a supporting actor. In WWE, this is what the big guys, the bodybuilder guys, and the 500 pounders are used for. Yes, they get "pushes", but lets not be too vague about that. Their push will only go so far. If Chris Masters were to ever become champion, it would only be so that he could loose it to Cena ect..ect... What I'll argue with you about his is this...you make valid points for the most part other than the examples you use as "leaders of the pack". Rock, Austin and Cena are all big dudes, they aren't small by any means. All 3 are over 6'2 and 250lbs....There are plenty of guys that use roids to achieve the size of those guys, Brent Albright is probably a good example even though I don't know for a fact he uses roids. Albright is a perfect example of the difference in the WWE and the indies, in the WWE he looks like an average sized guy, watch him in ROH he is massive compared to everyone else. And if they clean out roids they'll go back to pushing fat guys, that was what they did before.
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Post by HRH The KING on Nov 3, 2007 22:47:11 GMT -5
Perhaps, but it drew unnecessary attention to his physique. Why mention it at all when it's a real problem WWE has to deal with? Because Masters came back as "leaner and stronger than ever" by Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler. WWE didn't hide the fact that the man was lighter, and since DX was supposedly a comedy faction, they thought taking shots at the man's physique was funny. WWE could have said nothing when Masters returned, but it was too hard to avoid the fact that he lost tremendous amount of weight. It would have been much more effective for the announcers to say "Masters is looking leaner and meaner and has gained speed and stamina" and nothing more. That way he could be put over instead of mocked for nothing but a cheap laugh. On screen it was a weak comment, but offscreen it spoke volumes.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 4, 2007 2:44:43 GMT -5
I honestly think both of them should be fired, Masters cause he's a smurfup of epic proportions, and Smith because he should smurfing know better than that.
Of course they haven't fired certain people for either reason, so I take it back.
I should hope that either Smith had an expired perscription, or if it's something a bit worse he shapes up and stops taking whatever he's taking before he f***s up his life and career
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Post by tarheelfan on Nov 4, 2007 3:04:44 GMT -5
I haven't been watching for 30 years, I've been watching for 18 years, but here is what I've always found, and I'll take this from another post I made in another thread: I say that you have a better chance of making it big when you're bigger, but as far as making as the "cream of the crop", you know, the flagship, the golden goose, the measuring stick, the guy that the company is going to be built around, chances are it's going to be a more mainstream, average sized, "in the middle" type of guy with alot of charisma and talent. In the era where guys like Big John Studd, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, One Man Gang, and Andre the Giant "made it" because of their size, as well as bodybuilder-esque guys like Herculese, Warrior, and Rick Rude, It was Hogan who was leading the pack. In an era where guys like Diesel, Undertaker, Vader, Yokozuna, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, Kama, and Sycho Sid "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Ahmed Johnson, Lex Luger, and Warrior, It was Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels who were leading the pack. In an era where guys like Kane, Undertaker, Sid, Viscera, LOD, Big Show, Rikishi, "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Bulldog and HHH, It was Stone Cold leading the pack. In an era where guys like Undertaker, Kane, Snitsky, Umaga, Mark Henry, Boogeyman, Khali, Kevin Thorn, and Big Daddy V have "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Chris Masters, It's John Cena that's the leader of the pack. This is the first time that bodybuilder-esque guys like Lashley and Batista have been given a chance to run with the ball and actually stay with it, as well as HHH earlier, but that's because Rock and Austin left. See, The big, "freak of nature" type guys are a good challenge for the "mainstream" guy to overcome. That's why they're there. They're something different to look st. So yes, If you're 7ft tall and 350 lbs, you'll have an eiser time getting a job with WWE, but that's all you'll basically have, is a spot on the roster. If you want to be the guy winning the main event of Wrestlemania for multiple years, and you want to be the guy that's carrying the company on your back for many years, you better not be 7ft tall and 350 lbs. Charisma is most important, but connection with the crowd is also important, and It's easier for the crowd to connect with someone who is understandable to them. A giant serial killer in a movie, that wears a hocky mask and carries a chainsaw, the crowd won't connect with. The guy running away from him, the crowd easily connects with, and will be the main charactor of the movie. But who is selling the movie? Probably the guy that's destined to be beaten, even as a supporting actor. In WWE, this is what the big guys, the bodybuilder guys, and the 500 pounders are used for. Yes, they get "pushes", but lets not be too vague about that. Their push will only go so far. If Chris Masters were to ever become champion, it would only be so that he could loose it to Cena ect..ect... Good post but I'm not sure that I would equate the LOD with the Stone Cold era. The Road Warriors were in their prime in the 1980s and also Luger did not spend enough time in the WWE to consider Brett Hart and Michaels to be leaders of the pack over him. Quite frankly Luger spent the vast majority of his career as a NWA/WCW wrestler. He may not have been the best technical guy but he did have a very solid star type career in NWA/WCW.
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Post by thesunbeast on Nov 4, 2007 10:14:04 GMT -5
I haven't been watching for 30 years, I've been watching for 18 years, but here is what I've always found, and I'll take this from another post I made in another thread: I say that you have a better chance of making it big when you're bigger, but as far as making as the "cream of the crop", you know, the flagship, the golden goose, the measuring stick, the guy that the company is going to be built around, chances are it's going to be a more mainstream, average sized, "in the middle" type of guy with alot of charisma and talent. In the era where guys like Big John Studd, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, One Man Gang, and Andre the Giant "made it" because of their size, as well as bodybuilder-esque guys like Herculese, Warrior, and Rick Rude, It was Hogan who was leading the pack. In an era where guys like Diesel, Undertaker, Vader, Yokozuna, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, Kama, and Sycho Sid "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Ahmed Johnson, Lex Luger, and Warrior, It was Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels who were leading the pack. In an era where guys like Kane, Undertaker, Sid, Viscera, LOD, Big Show, Rikishi, "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Bulldog and HHH, It was Stone Cold leading the pack. In an era where guys like Undertaker, Kane, Snitsky, Umaga, Mark Henry, Boogeyman, Khali, Kevin Thorn, and Big Daddy V have "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Chris Masters, It's John Cena that's the leader of the pack. This is the first time that bodybuilder-esque guys like Lashley and Batista have been given a chance to run with the ball and actually stay with it, as well as HHH earlier, but that's because Rock and Austin left. See, The big, "freak of nature" type guys are a good challenge for the "mainstream" guy to overcome. That's why they're there. They're something different to look st. So yes, If you're 7ft tall and 350 lbs, you'll have an eiser time getting a job with WWE, but that's all you'll basically have, is a spot on the roster. If you want to be the guy winning the main event of Wrestlemania for multiple years, and you want to be the guy that's carrying the company on your back for many years, you better not be 7ft tall and 350 lbs. Charisma is most important, but connection with the crowd is also important, and It's easier for the crowd to connect with someone who is understandable to them. A giant serial killer in a movie, that wears a hocky mask and carries a chainsaw, the crowd won't connect with. The guy running away from him, the crowd easily connects with, and will be the main charactor of the movie. But who is selling the movie? Probably the guy that's destined to be beaten, even as a supporting actor. In WWE, this is what the big guys, the bodybuilder guys, and the 500 pounders are used for. Yes, they get "pushes", but lets not be too vague about that. Their push will only go so far. If Chris Masters were to ever become champion, it would only be so that he could loose it to Cena ect..ect... What I'll argue with you about his is this...you make valid points for the most part other than the examples you use as "leaders of the pack". Rock, Austin and Cena are all big dudes, they aren't small by any means. All 3 are over 6'2 and 250lbs....There are plenty of guys that use roids to achieve the size of those guys, Brent Albright is probably a good example even though I don't know for a fact he uses roids. Albright is a perfect example of the difference in the WWE and the indies, in the WWE he looks like an average sized guy, watch him in ROH he is massive compared to everyone else. And if they clean out roids they'll go back to pushing fat guys, that was what they did before. I wasn't saying that the leaders of the pack were small, I was saying that the leaders were small-ER than alot of the guys they were working with, meaning that charisma and crowd connection are most important, and that you will actually have alot agianst you if you want to be the flagship of the company and there is no one bigger than you. There are alot of people that can't look like Jamie Noble that use steroids.....I undertand that part, as I work as a Certified Personal trainer and help people progress with their bodies and lives. A 6'2", 250 lb guy is big, but not by WWE standards. It's not small, but average.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 4, 2007 10:17:58 GMT -5
So, this is Master's siutation...
WWE: do steroids and we will push you
Masters: okay, I'll bulk up.
WWE: now you have lose the weight and get off the drugs if you want to keep your job!
Masters: Sure.
WWE: Now we're going to laugh at you for losing the weight and getting clean on air! Bulk up if you want to keep your spot!
Masters: Okay
WWE: Now you're suspended again!
Holy crap. Poor guy.
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Post by thesunbeast on Nov 4, 2007 10:19:57 GMT -5
I haven't been watching for 30 years, I've been watching for 18 years, but here is what I've always found, and I'll take this from another post I made in another thread: I say that you have a better chance of making it big when you're bigger, but as far as making as the "cream of the crop", you know, the flagship, the golden goose, the measuring stick, the guy that the company is going to be built around, chances are it's going to be a more mainstream, average sized, "in the middle" type of guy with alot of charisma and talent. In the era where guys like Big John Studd, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, One Man Gang, and Andre the Giant "made it" because of their size, as well as bodybuilder-esque guys like Herculese, Warrior, and Rick Rude, It was Hogan who was leading the pack. In an era where guys like Diesel, Undertaker, Vader, Yokozuna, Bam Bam Bigelo, King Kong Bundy, Kama, and Sycho Sid "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Ahmed Johnson, Lex Luger, and Warrior, It was Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels who were leading the pack. In an era where guys like Kane, Undertaker, Sid, Viscera, LOD, Big Show, Rikishi, "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Bulldog and HHH, It was Stone Cold leading the pack. In an era where guys like Undertaker, Kane, Snitsky, Umaga, Mark Henry, Boogeyman, Khali, Kevin Thorn, and Big Daddy V have "made it" because of their size, and bodybuilder-esque guys like Chris Masters, It's John Cena that's the leader of the pack. This is the first time that bodybuilder-esque guys like Lashley and Batista have been given a chance to run with the ball and actually stay with it, as well as HHH earlier, but that's because Rock and Austin left. See, The big, "freak of nature" type guys are a good challenge for the "mainstream" guy to overcome. That's why they're there. They're something different to look st. So yes, If you're 7ft tall and 350 lbs, you'll have an eiser time getting a job with WWE, but that's all you'll basically have, is a spot on the roster. If you want to be the guy winning the main event of Wrestlemania for multiple years, and you want to be the guy that's carrying the company on your back for many years, you better not be 7ft tall and 350 lbs. Charisma is most important, but connection with the crowd is also important, and It's easier for the crowd to connect with someone who is understandable to them. A giant serial killer in a movie, that wears a hocky mask and carries a chainsaw, the crowd won't connect with. The guy running away from him, the crowd easily connects with, and will be the main charactor of the movie. But who is selling the movie? Probably the guy that's destined to be beaten, even as a supporting actor. In WWE, this is what the big guys, the bodybuilder guys, and the 500 pounders are used for. Yes, they get "pushes", but lets not be too vague about that. Their push will only go so far. If Chris Masters were to ever become champion, it would only be so that he could loose it to Cena ect..ect... Good post but I'm not sure that I would equate the LOD with the Stone Cold era. The Road Warriors were in their prime in the 1980s and also Luger did not spend enough time in the WWE to consider Brett Hart and Michaels to be leaders of the pack over him. Quite frankly Luger spent the vast majority of his career as a NWA/WCW wrestler. He may not have been the best technical guy but he did have a very solid star type career in NWA/WCW. Yeah, I still used LOD because their style of wrestling was powerbased, and given the fact that they were still over, it was believeble to the fans that they were still really strong at that point, and yet Austin was the biggerst star even though he wasn't percieved as being stronger than LOD. I used Luger, because he DID fall under Bret Hart. Not Shawn Michaels, bet definitely Bret Hart. The Technical guy with charisma rose above the powerhouse that was being built as the next Hulk Hogan. I think Luger was actually doing a good job during this time, and even though everyone makes fun of him now, there were alot of people looking for the Lex Express bus out of their windows during this time LOL. It's just that Bret rose above him.
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Post by DAGOTRON LIVES! on Nov 4, 2007 11:02:53 GMT -5
Because Masters came back as "leaner and stronger than ever" by Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler. WWE didn't hide the fact that the man was lighter, and since DX was supposedly a comedy faction, they thought taking shots at the man's physique was funny. WWE could have said nothing when Masters returned, but it was too hard to avoid the fact that he lost tremendous amount of weight. It would have been much more effective for the announcers to say "Masters is looking leaner and meaner and has gained speed and stamina" and nothing more. That way he could be put over instead of mocked for nothing but a cheap laugh. On screen it was a weak comment, but offscreen it spoke volumes. Well, to be fair, Masters was a heel at the time. And JR/King no likey heels. That reminds me... They really need to bring JBL over to RAW to replace King.
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