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Post by tankmcquade on Nov 3, 2007 2:30:03 GMT -5
Chris Masters....no surprise there but Harry Smith?? damn!
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Post by lilcherrypip on Nov 3, 2007 3:24:03 GMT -5
Didn't Smith ever publicly say he'd never touch the roid and drugs or am I mistaken?
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Nov 3, 2007 3:30:22 GMT -5
Ok, ok, seeing as people can't see how over the top and ridiculous my argument was (geez, how do some of you get through your day?), I guess I have to spell it out...it was a joke. Few, if anybody offered nothing more than the "Masters is a dumbass and Smith is repeating the mistakes of his father " lookalike posts for over 10 pages, as if you posting it is something earth shattering. I thought putting in a ridiculous and indefensible argument would break the monotony of this thread and people would get it. I was wrong. Yeah Sarcasm is hit and miss online.... |
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Post by deadmanlfc on Nov 3, 2007 4:04:00 GMT -5
Well I don't wanna be an ass or anything, but some of you clowns who see a 6'5, 22yr old kid who weighs in at 265 lbs of solid muscle and then express shock and awe that he is juicing need to come down and join the rest of us in this little thing we call "reality". And then maybe look up the words "blatent" or "obvious" in a dictionary.
I think DH is awesome, when I was a little mark his pops was my all time favourite wrestler, and he is still the only one I had managed to meet and get a photo with. He will come back from this. Masters however, is finished in my opinion. Which is good news.
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Post by HRH The KING on Nov 3, 2007 4:16:13 GMT -5
I'm not surprised DH Smith was taking something.
I'm just surprised he was sloppy enough to get caught.
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Post by jzbadblood on Nov 3, 2007 4:24:16 GMT -5
I say they should fire Dick Head Smith. He's a generic pill popping moron riding off of daddies legacy and can't keep his nose clean. f*** him, bring up Colt Cabana.
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Post by Cactus Jack on Nov 3, 2007 6:15:08 GMT -5
Stupid, stupid Smith.
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Post by thesunbeast on Nov 3, 2007 6:17:06 GMT -5
.......Brilliant analysis, Jr. Morrison........  Anyway, back to the heart of the matter, I think it's important to sumarize the debate by stating that yes, Smith is a dumbass, and Chris Masters is a bigger dumbass, but the biggest dumbass move has been made by those who breed this industry's thought process that bigger is better at the box office. You can put any wellness policy into place you like, and catch people for all sorts of various offenses, but until something is done to change the product itself, i.e., take it from the musclebound ding dongs that rule TV on Monday and Friday nights and devalue their behavior by promoting talent instead of enhanced buffoonery, whatever wellness policy you employ will only result in a product failure. It's time for the WWE to get out of the dark ages and start putting value in the art of professional wrestling instead of this steroid enduced sports entertainment BS we've been subjected to since 1984. This man speaks wisdom. Sir, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. The thing is, is that the people that are the ones who think that bigger is better, are us, the fans. It's the MARKET that responds to the muscleheads, it's not Vince Mcmahon's idea that bigger is better, he knows that the big guys will get a reaction from the fans, and that's why he pushes them. I had another thread about this, and how the MAIN charactors of a show tend to be the more well rounded guys, but the big guys that get a push are playing the role of the big monster off to the side, mase to put over the main, well rounded guy. Basically, you have like a dozen types of charactors that you can portray, and one of those is monster heel. The thing is, is that the fans react to monster heels, and cheer for the faces to beat them. The thing is though, is that it's hard to be a monster heel unless you're really big. If you're really talented, or really ugly, then you can do it, but most average fans will just let a person's size speak for itself. |
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Post by Loki on Nov 3, 2007 6:52:46 GMT -5
Masters is doomed... If they keep him on payroll, he'll job more than Lombardi and Horowitz combined (not that he was winning a lot anyway  ) DH Smith wins the "Most stupid thing to do today in WWE" award, hands down. WWE have recently been hit by a tragedy and a massive scandal where steroids are involved, your father died because of drugs, and you got busted a couple of weeeks after your debut? Idiot |
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Post by DAGOTRON LIVES! on Nov 3, 2007 7:01:45 GMT -5
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Nov 3, 2007 7:41:07 GMT -5
This man speaks wisdom. Sir, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. The thing is, is that the people that are the ones who think that bigger is better, are us, the fans. It's the MARKET that responds to the muscleheads, it's not Vince Mcmahon's idea that bigger is better, he knows that the big guys will get a reaction from the fans, and that's why he pushes them. I had another thread about this, and how the MAIN charactors of a show tend to be the more well rounded guys, but the big guys that get a push are playing the role of the big monster off to the side, mase to put over the main, well rounded guy. Basically, you have like a dozen types of charactors that you can portray, and one of those is monster heel. The thing is, is that the fans react to monster heels, and cheer for the faces to beat them. The thing is though, is that it's hard to be a monster heel unless you're really big. If you're really talented, or really ugly, then you can do it, but most average fans will just let a person's size speak for itself. Totally agree. I absolutely hate people saying 'Vince needs to learn to stop pushing big guys'. It isn't a Vince problem, it's a wrestling trend that has been around for ages. Big guys are an important part of the process. If you didn't have huge men that could put over the more well rounded guys, no one would be that over. Or maybe they would, but it would take a lot more complicated process and take longer to acheive than simply beating a big guy would acheive. Has anyone stopped to think why they don't just do 2 hours of cruserweights every night? It's because they don't draw! They will put on entertaining matches, but it will just be back and forth with no one really becomming a superstar out of it. Big guys are vital, it isn't a Vince problem. It is short sighted to claim it is. |
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Post by angryfan on Nov 3, 2007 7:57:27 GMT -5
In terms of the argument that only big guys draw because the market dictates it to be so, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, plain and simple. I will agree, the business needs "big men" to help the product, but it does not have to be so deeply centered around them, especially not at a time when advertisers are paying more attention thanks to the steroid issues and the Benoit tragedy.
Vince has rarely ever strayed from the "to be pushed, you must be 6'4" and jacked to the gills" mentality that he's stuck with for nearly 30 years, save for the Hart/Micheals era. I know, it was a low drawing era, but was that because Vince was finally trying to, thanks to the Congressional hearings, push someone who didn't look like they were on the juice, or was it becasue the company was still pushing a cartoonish feel when the industry was moving away from that overall?
Keep a smattering of big men, ones who will, hopefully, not use the junk and get caught left and right, and use them, as has been suggested, to put over guys who, while they may not have the size, may have the charisma or ability to connect with the crowd. There's nothign wrong with the formula at all. But when the main focus seems to be "must have BLARG to qualify for push", especially at a time like this, they're only asking for more failed tests.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Nov 3, 2007 8:10:51 GMT -5
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Post by tarheelfan on Nov 3, 2007 8:15:03 GMT -5
The thing is, is that the people that are the ones who think that bigger is better, are us, the fans. It's the MARKET that responds to the muscleheads, it's not Vince Mcmahon's idea that bigger is better, he knows that the big guys will get a reaction from the fans, and that's why he pushes them. I had another thread about this, and how the MAIN charactors of a show tend to be the more well rounded guys, but the big guys that get a push are playing the role of the big monster off to the side, mase to put over the main, well rounded guy. Basically, you have like a dozen types of charactors that you can portray, and one of those is monster heel. The thing is, is that the fans react to monster heels, and cheer for the faces to beat them. The thing is though, is that it's hard to be a monster heel unless you're really big. If you're really talented, or really ugly, then you can do it, but most average fans will just let a person's size speak for itself. Totally agree. I absolutely hate people saying 'Vince needs to learn to stop pushing big guys'. It isn't a Vince problem, it's a wrestling trend that has been around for ages. Big guys are an important part of the process. If you didn't have huge men that could put over the more well rounded guys, no one would be that over. Or maybe they would, but it would take a lot more complicated process and take longer to acheive than simply beating a big guy would acheive. Has anyone stopped to think why they don't just do 2 hours of cruserweights every night? It's because they don't draw! They will put on entertaining matches, but it will just be back and forth with no one really becomming a superstar out of it. Big guys are vital, it isn't a Vince problem. It is short sighted to claim it is. As someone who has actually watched wrestling for thirty years this is a true statement. Wrestling has always had big guys (although they may not have had chiseled physiques per se). I think a lot of posters here dont get or grasp the concept that although wrestling is a staged sport that there has always been a concept that matches should be portrayed as though they were real. In other words wrestling should in theory have a believability factor even though everyone knows that it is fake. Whether the so called smarks like it or not, it does not bode well with the majority and mainstream of fans when you have a 6'0 220 pound champion when you have other guys in the company that are 6'3 280 pounds to use as an example. Ratings plummet when all you have is cruiserweight acrobatic style chain wrestlers. You might say then what about the old NWA? The old NWA had big guys as well and in actuality the NWA although known for its great technical matches was actually stiffer and much more prone to brawling matches than even the WWE of the 1980s were. So it is not like having big guys as a huge concept is soley a Vince of the 1980s thing. Let me end by saying that I do not dislike technical matches. Far be it, but you can't to use an analogy satisfy a wrestling fans diet just on carbohydrates alone but on protein also. I would be bored if the whole show was a chainfest and like it or not most fans would. What I have always said makes wrestling great is that it has varying matches of different stles whether technical, power or brawling. To concentrate on just one stlye would be to rob the fans of what makes this industry great. And as a person who has probably forgot more matches than the number of matches a lot of people have seen here I think I can say that I know what I am talking about. |
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Nov 3, 2007 8:46:55 GMT -5
Are you sure? They've never acknowleged it on the show... And what's the deal with JR and McMahon always ribbing Lawler about being "Grandmaster Sexay" Brian Christopher's dad? Lawler never admitted to it on the show. Becuase he is Brian's Dad and Jerry would always deny it. Just a minor rib. |
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Post by cartern923 on Nov 3, 2007 8:47:02 GMT -5
Why is everyone saying that he should know better and that he should have learned from his fathers dead and things like that...A LOT of people with smurfed up parents end up the same way, so I don't see why he would be any different... Exactly, and you know why those people turn out that way? Because the don't learn from their parents' mistakes. Exactly what everyone is saying, he should have learned, but didn't |
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Post by thesunbeast on Nov 3, 2007 8:52:42 GMT -5
In terms of the argument that only big guys draw because the market dictates it to be so, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, plain and simple. I will agree, the business needs "big men" to help the product, but it does not have to be so deeply centered around them, especially not at a time when advertisers are paying more attention thanks to the steroid issues and the Benoit tragedy. Vince has rarely ever strayed from the "to be pushed, you must be 6'4" and jacked to the gills" mentality that he's stuck with for nearly 30 years, save for the Hart/Micheals era. I know, it was a low drawing era, but was that because Vince was finally trying to, thanks to the Congressional hearings, push someone who didn't look like they were on the juice, or was it becasue the company was still pushing a cartoonish feel when the industry was moving away from that overall? Keep a smattering of big men, ones who will, hopefully, not use the junk and get caught left and right, and use them, as has been suggested, to put over guys who, while they may not have the size, may have the charisma or ability to connect with the crowd. There's nothign wrong with the formula at all. But when the main focus seems to be "must have BLARG to qualify for push", especially at a time like this, they're only asking for more failed tests. Actually, the business has never really been CENTERED aroung the 6'4", 275 lb men. Batista, Lashley, and HHH are the only heavily muscular guys not named Hogan that have been used as the flagship of the company or a particular brand, that were actually successful. |
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Post by Square on Nov 3, 2007 8:54:15 GMT -5
Im sdorry but your giving Masters a hard time, even though when he did get off them he was ridiculed on live TV. But Harry Smith, the son of the British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith who died off a addiction to painkillers and STERIODS, can learn
WASNT HIS DAD'S DEATH A BIG ENOUGH LESSON?!
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Nov 3, 2007 9:00:49 GMT -5
it's not like Masters is a small guy without the roids, what is his constantly thinking? seriously? He's thinking that without looking like a 'Masterpiece', he won't get any sort of shot of moving up the card. Masters looked much healthier when he was much lighter last year, but then it goes back to Triple H publically humiliating him on television due to his size. How is that supposed to make anyone feel good? Simple. Masters should know the difference between reality and being on a TV show. If Courtney Cox told Jennifer Aniston on and episode of Friends that she should eat a sandwich because she looks anorexic, that Jennifer would get fat? Masters has really thin skin if he lets a scripted joke get to him like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2007 9:06:12 GMT -5
And what's the deal with JR and McMahon always ribbing Lawler about being "Grandmaster Sexay" Brian Christopher's dad? Lawler never admitted to it on the show. Becuase he is Brian's Dad and Jerry would always deny it. Just a minor rib. The inside joke is that Lawler doesn't want anybody to think he's old enough to have a kid Brian's age. Geez, oh man, what is the problem with these guys and failing these tests? Somebody call Bud Selig and tell him this is how you do randoms. |
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