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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 19:31:14 GMT -5
Tyler Reks but its pretty much the E's fault entirely Also the idea that Vickie needed Edge is laughable she eclipsed Edge in heat within weeks of her heel turn The reason she isn't getting as much as before is because her heat came from promoes and a mid-carder isn't getting anywhere near the time that a main eventer does If she was as great a heel as people act like she is, it would be fairly easy for her to draw heat for Escobar. 1. His lack of verbal skills is where she is supposed to come in, being a manager and all. 2. Even a wrestler who isn't very good should be getting heat from being associated with someone people will lead you to believe is a "brilliant heel" or "has the most heat of anyone in the past few years" yet that somehow, inexplicably, hasn't happened. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 19:18:43 GMT -5
Well, if we are going to go the fantasy route then I wouldn't mind seeing some joshi girls [any of them would do for me, really], Sara Del Rey, Awesome Kong as I feel she is starting to get stale in TNA, Angelina Love [they really missed the boat on her], and a womans lucha style wrestler like Sarita in TNA .
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 19:12:17 GMT -5
I dont think so, my admittedly blurry childhood memory recalls Ted just kinda showing up in vignettes talking about how rich he was.
Even as a kid I wondered why a ludicrously rich guy would even bother putting his body at risk wrestling when he could just be a manager or something.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 19:10:11 GMT -5
Vince: This DVD was obviously purchased in Canada, those bastards just cant let it go!
*goes back to marking down WWE Canadian dates in his planner as a reminder to book screwjob angles on those shows*
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 18:50:15 GMT -5
Don't mean to sound smarky (but it can't be helped) but I wouldn't choose any. I'd rather they go to TNA where they might actually stand a chance. Agreed. Any women wrestlers I enjoy wouldnt work in WWE. I would rather watch great wrestlers wrestle each other in great matches, rather than be forced to sell for and carry bikini models who botch all the time. WWE could have a great division if they wanted to put some effort into it, but they obviously dont which translates to me not caring either. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 18:34:17 GMT -5
I have grown used to the design. It looks good on certain wrestlers, and the fact that it doesn't spin anymore helps me tolerate it. In storyline terms it doesn't make sense that its Cenas custom belt yet all these other guys have kept the design even when it wasn't on the same show as Cena.
I still think the thing looks freakin' ugly though. It also looks stupid on most wrestlers. I would say its about time for a new design, really. They could even keep the same basic aesthetic for all I care, I just think it would be improved tremendously if it didn't look so much like a bored little girls Bedazzling efforts following five cups of coffee.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 18:23:09 GMT -5
Eddie Guerrero and Tajiri. That's it. I'm perfectly happy with everything else. You know, I've disagreed with you on a LOT of stuff...but I totally agree with you on the Tajiri thing. I miss him, and think he had a lot of potential that the WWE didn't tap into. You think it's possible they could have had a sort of Sting/Muta vibe if they put Tajiri up against Cena? I dunno myself, but I have to think there was more to be done with him than what they did. I definitely agree. I think with the right character tweaks [highlighting his viciousness, the lethality of his kicks,heel tactics with the poison mist, maybe even facepaint] he could have easily been in a few main event storylines. He is a very adaptable wrestler who works well with anyone ala HBK, plus he has more charisma than most guys do without even having to speak. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 18:00:26 GMT -5
Eric Escobar is by far the most average performer I've seen this year. Hey, it's ESSS-co-BARRR! And isn't he getting "teh heatz" for his bland work that even Vickie Guerrero can't get over? Vickie isn't going to get anyone over. Edge is what kept her in the spotlight and it definitely shows now. However, Escobar does suck. I mean, Reks isn't much better in the charisma department but at least he has a grasp on how to wrestle properly. Escobar has the wrestling ability of Armando Estrada and the charisma of a dying fish. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 17:53:03 GMT -5
For people who could never come back: Eddie most of all, Mr. Perfect close behind, Bam Bam, Jake Roberts, Bossman.
For people who could if they wanted: RVD, The Rock, Scott Hall [though I might as well file him under people who could never come back at this point], Tajiri.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 17:38:30 GMT -5
Vince is right that the only reason we remember ECW is because of him? Seriously? The only reason. Hardly. But the main reason at this point. He never discouraged the ECW chant, which over time was being chanted by more and more people who never saw the original product. He marketed DVDs around PPVs for the promotion. When guys would come over from ECW it was mentioned as such. ECW was given time on the WWF's national show. So yeah, it mostly is Vince at this point. As much as people may love it, ECW, 10 years after the height would not be a blip. Vince has allowed it to stay relivent. Really? Mostly Vince? I enjoy the new ECW for its matches but ANY casual fans I know who watched wrestling when it was hot fondly remember ECW, yet most of them dont even know about the new ECW. If they do, they think its a joke compared to the old one. If Vince can just promote anything he wants why would he even use the old ECW name? Why not just make up something completely new? The idea that Vince taught people to chant ECW or people only remember it because of him is stupid. I mean yeah, Vince helped with the Rise and Fall DVD and the ONS PPVs, but to compare, he also promoted a WCW DVD which hasn't sold nearly as well. The only DVD that has sold more than the ECW doc is freakin Wrestlemania 21...which do you think Vince promoted more? Its sold more than any Hogan, Austin, Rock, DX DVDs, the other Wrestlemanias, etc. If that is somehow due to just Vinces promotion I would like to see some reasoning why. Am I saying ECW was legit competition for WCW or WWF? No. That would be like saying TNA right now is competition for WWE. That doesn't mean that ECW wasn't hugely popular though, and Vince taking credit for ECW still being remembered is a ludicrous, especially considering everything about the new ECW has been about burying the things that were special about the old and essentially rebranding it in WWE form to make people forget about it. Its like Wendys being bought out by Burger King, BK keeping the name but completely changing the menu to be exactly like BK over a two year period and only keeping the Frosty... Then saying that people only still like Wendys or remember it at all because of them. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 10, 2009 18:56:02 GMT -5
Warrior's basically wrestled a combined 10 years with a few years being crap like Powerteam USA and The Blade Runners plus random appearances in 1996 and 1998. Say what you want about people like Koko B. Ware, Rocky Johnson, Big John Studd, Tony Atlas and the like but they at least had long careers and were over/won many titles in various regions like Georgia Championship Wrestling, Mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling and Championship Wrestling From Florida which were important NWA territories at the time. That is true, a lot of people are looking strictly at their WWF careers when they say someone like Koko or Atlas doesn't belong. The WWE HoF isn't just bound to WWE though. Its WWE centric to be sure, but they have inducted plenty of guys who did nothing in WWE based on their PRO WRESTLING career. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 10, 2009 18:39:57 GMT -5
Really?
If Warrior gets in before Savage, there is no justice in the world.
Thing is, would Warrior accept the induction? I feel like he wouldn't, since he dislikes Vince and WWE in general. He didn't want to be involved with his DVD, which resulted in the burial produced. He also sued them over that.
It would strike me as odd that after all this time Warrior would suddenly welcome an association with WWE.
The alumni thing isn't a big deal. Savage is on there too, for instance. Its not like they need a guys permission to put him on there.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 10, 2009 8:27:25 GMT -5
Eh, why would it be?
It was just a modern twist on the classic evil foreigner gimmick. Actually, it was a great character at first but WWE kept dumbing it down.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 9, 2009 18:45:57 GMT -5
May watch the Piper RAW cos I love Hot Rod...definitely skipping this one though. Sounds boring.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 9, 2009 17:17:33 GMT -5
Undertaker, much like Kane; has had too many highs and lows in his career to have any real defining point. I have a feeling it's the stuff like this that caused Undertaker to sour on the gimmick though. Looking at it now it's pretty fun, but then again - so is a lot of the over the top stuff from both the attitude era and todays era - fun doesn't always mean it's good though; especially in the long run. Are people seriously supposed to believe after blatant attempted murder 'Taker will just calm down and have a wrestling match so the feud can have a blow off? There needs to be limits. Its not like that was the first or only time a wrestler tried to kill someone. Hell, Orton tried to kill Cena midway through a match this year and they continued wrestling like normal as if nothing happened. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 9, 2009 15:18:13 GMT -5
It didn't get stale since every few times they met, the Undertaker character was usually totally different.
If Taker had stayed the Phenom character the entire time and never made any changes to his character yeah, it would have gotten stale to me.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 9, 2009 13:43:01 GMT -5
Did you like him? I didn't at first. I warmed up to him later once he started doing longer matches and I realized he was actually very athletic and a pretty good wrestler. Especially nowadays, when I look at a Cena or Batista I realize how good Goldberg was.
Did you like his booking in WWE? Not really. It wasn't awful but not great either, like most WCW guys they brought in.
Did you see him and Austin on the same level in 1998? Yes. I dont see why anyone wouldn't. Unless they just didn't like WCW.
Favorite match? The face vs. face DDP match, I remember hw worked well with Sting too.
Better entrance theme in WCW or WWE? WCW by far.
When was the right time to end his streak? Not sure really. Definitely not against Nash, I think he should have had a face vs. face feud with Sting and that would have been a good time to end it. I dont think a heel by cheating was the right way to do it.
Also, why are people saying Jericho? He wasn't that far above jobber level in WCW. Goldberg losing to him at the time would have been ridiculous.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 7, 2009 23:49:17 GMT -5
The Marine 2 isn't even out yet. Based on past evidence, its a fair bet that it will suck. I wouldn't say thinking so is being cynical, but realistic. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 7, 2009 21:55:55 GMT -5
No way is the current stuff anywhere near as good as the Attitude era. Raw was cant miss back then. I havent seen Raw in months during this era. As someone who has watched since the 80's I didnt think that would ever happen. Same, a week didn't go by that I missed RAW or Nitro. If I did I would be pretty pissed about it. Now I go months without seeing it, and it never seems like I miss much, if anything. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 7, 2009 21:07:10 GMT -5
Yeah New Jack defines this. Although he was also never really a main eventer, just a really popular upper midcard guy.
For main event guys, Sid or Kevin Nash.
Edit: Ultimate Warrior, too.
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