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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 13, 2009 0:24:56 GMT -5
I always remember that Eddie vs. Rock match because I MARKED THE EFF OUT for that Rock Bottom counter. One of the best counters to that ever!
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 13, 2009 0:22:34 GMT -5
If the man wanted anything to do with pro wrestling, he would have been back in WWE long ago. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 13, 2009 0:17:45 GMT -5
I haven't seen this yet, but once again my TNA interest goes up with Raven back.
Here is hoping he actually sticks around this time. Did he look in good shape?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 13, 2009 0:09:59 GMT -5
If he's a backstage interviewer, I'd mark. But keep him away from play by play. He was as bad at that as Adamle. It has been quite awhile since I heard him call a match, and granted I was a kid at the time but I generally picked up on stuff like that even then and I recall him being capable enough. He certainly never annoyed me like Cole, Pettingill, Adamle, or current Lawler do. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 13, 2009 0:06:00 GMT -5
I think EVERYONE in ECW had a superkick it seemed. I liked when WCW was first bought out, and HBK was pretty much a distant memory at the time. The Superkick was analogous to the DDT today. EVERYONE did it as a midmatch big move. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 23:39:59 GMT -5
Ganso bomb isn't number one!? Shame on IGN , Shame on them.  I am actually surprised by the quality of this list. I was expecting to see a Top 5 of Tadpole Splash, Atomic Legdrop, Edge Spear, STFU and FU.  |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 23:31:49 GMT -5
I would actually like that to happen just to see peoples excuses as to why it doesn't totally suck or make a mockery of the belt.  I'd get a lot more interested in ROH suddenly I can already see it... "He is more over than the majority of the roster!" |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 23:30:39 GMT -5
Mooney was a announcer? I thought he was a backstage interviewer. He announced a lot of the time on secondary shows. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 23:29:33 GMT -5
Give me three hits of good acid and I could write up a great one...
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 23:24:48 GMT -5
Ah, but remember now, after the Cena/Orton/HHH morass, this is the period when WWE's going to start pushing fresh young talent! Given the way he's been being steadily built up for the last several months, this is obviously leading to Hornswaggle's first World title reign. I would actually like that to happen just to see peoples excuses as to why it doesn't totally suck or make a mockery of the belt. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 22:03:37 GMT -5
what happened to adamle's raw host spot? Probably brought him in to go over the script and pretape some segments. He started it out by saying "Its an honor to be a guest host here on WCW Thunder!" Then Vince just shook his head and pointed to the door. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 21:56:46 GMT -5
As others have said, its been done before.
You could also say the same of any other wrestler with a long entrance, such as Undertaker.
They cant overdo things like that because it then totally breaks the illusion of there being any rules at all. Plus its more of a markout moment when it actually does happen.
For example, Goldberg in WCW had a long overblown entrance and I always wondered why nobody attacked him, then Bam Bam Bigelow did once and I marked big time.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 21:50:06 GMT -5
But he did SO OFTEN pay someone else to do his bidding. Or used his money to get an advantage. Including off the top of my head, when he: - bought the title/ ref - and when that plan failed, made sure Andre got him into the finals of WM4 - bought Hercules as a slave - paid off Slick to ensure he got #30 place in the 89 Rumble - paid off Randy Savage to help him all the way through the 90 Rumble I posted most of the early vignettes here by the way: officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wrestling&action=display&thread=238839&page=2As for the OP: I think he just re-dubted as a very rich man and it was never explained how he made his fortune. They did mention investments and things like that but how he made his money in the first place was never divested. Very true. WWE always made good use of his gimmick of being rich and using that to his advantage. I mean, it still never made much sense to me that a rich guy would keep wrestling and putting himself at risk for no good reason. However, at least he used his money as a big advantage to give him a leg up on opponents. As a kid I sort of explained it away as he was a bored rich guy with a huge ego and thus wrestled because he liked humiliating people and wanted the glory of being WWF Champion for vanitys sake. Keep in mind, I was too young to know of his pre WWF history at the time. Otherwise I probably would have just assumed he was like JBL and became suddenly rich during his wrestling career, but kept wrestling because he enjoyed it and could now throw money into title pursuits and towards crushing his rivals. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 21:41:14 GMT -5
Honestly, Cornette would be good if there was a way for him and Vince to iron out any issues they may have and he was willing to do it.
Raven as well, if he hadnt tried to sue WWE.
It makes me curious if any other wrestlers are participating in these tryouts, like DDP or Corino.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 21:33:26 GMT -5
I honestly remember when I first heard about it. My family's computer broke, so I didn't hear about it right away. In fact, I heard about it the next day. My dad said he saw it on the news. I couldn't believe it when he told me. Honestly, I think Eddie would probably be an upper-midcarder, probably getting young talent over at this point. On the Benoit side, I definitely think he and his family would still be alive. I'm not sure for how long, because his brain still would've been in a horrible state, but Eddie's death hit him hard, and that pretty much started to send him over the edge. One thing that would've been different is the title picture, well, at least the WHC. If Eddie doesn't die, Rey is never in the title scene (not in my opinion at least). I still think Angle wins the battle royal, but now it's either Angle vs. Orton, or Angle vs. Orton vs. Eddie, since Eddie has no one to feud with with Batista injured. I think if Eddie had been alive Benoit would have still had a lot of problems. Benoits issues were far more complex than just Eddie dying. He still would have been screwed up from all the diving headbutts, chairshots, etc. However I do think that his family would still be alive, because I think Eddie would have noticed Benoit acting oddly and also Eddie being alive would have probably kept Benoit from going COMPLETELY over the edge. More than likely Benoit would have still had a lot of family issues and beaten Nancy and such, but Eddie would have been around to push him to get help. Probably Benoit gets a divorce and retires after urges from Eddie for him to get help and doctors recognizing his mental issues...or maybe Benoit gets proper treatment, his family stays together and he gets on some medication that sorts him out. I dont see Eddie being alive magically making a delusional psychotic completely well and healthy...it just isn't that simple of a situation. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 21:26:03 GMT -5
I wonder what exactly they are unhappy about, though? As far as ECW goes, I cant see them really caring at all about the announce team on that show. So who is in trouble? I suppose Grisham? Although knowing WWE Striker is probably the one in trouble and will be fired soon. For the record I would much rather deal with Mooney than Cole...and King at this point is worse than Pettingill ever was IMO, which is really saying something. At least Pettingill cared enough to give it some actual effort and sound enthusiastic. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 21:20:52 GMT -5
It was a pretty stupid concept to me.
So to answer, could WWE make it work? Probably. Would there be a point in them attempting it? I cant think of any.
If WWE wants to curb from ECW concepts I would rather they take ones from back when it was actually good, not the year 2000 decline.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 21:18:02 GMT -5
One interesting thought nobody has mentioned as of yet...if Eddie had been checked out properly and not passed, what of the Wellness Policy?
I doubt it would have been instituted which changes the way A LOT of things worked out since then. I mean it may have eventually been instituted but certainly not as soon as it was and possibly in a completely different form than what we know today.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 21:13:40 GMT -5
I like the spinner. Now moreso because everyone blows a gasket over the prop, but even before because it was different. See, and this kind of attitude I just don't get. It makes you happy because it makes others miserable? I mean, glad you like it and everything, but to me, that seems sort of mean, and petty, and well...like how this guy would look at it:   I never understood why some people take delight in schadenfreude at the way things like say, the spinner belt or Triple H burying a midcarder get smarks and hardcore types in an uproar. Mainly because these are the same people who dismiss those sorts as meaning anything to WWE and ignore their opinions on anything. If that segment of fans means nothing in the grand scheme of things why take delight in them being pissed off about something like the way a title looks? Just ignore them completely since supposedly their opinions are meaningless. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 12, 2009 21:02:52 GMT -5
The Guerrero name is still respected. Chavo has always been a joke and Vickie is seen as betraying the name and that's why she's a huge heel. Well yeah but Chavo deserves so much better, and not just because of his last name, but because he is a great talent. Vickie betraying the name can really make casual fans forget about Eddie and all he did for the company. If they wanted people to remember the Guerrero name in the future as a highly-respected and talented family, then they're going the wrong way. Instead, younger fans will know the name as pretty much one big joke. I completely disagree. There are plenty of things around to remind younger fans of how respected the Guerrero name is, such as DVDs and Eddies HOF induction. Anytime WWE does best of shows there are tons of Eddie clips on them to remind you and clue the younger fans in on how awesome he was. WWE always speaks highly of him on any show where his name would come up. Chavo is a fine talent, but he was a lower carder while Eddie was alive. Just because Eddie is dead now doesn't mean Chavo being in the same position he has almost always been in his entire career is disrespectful to the name or making the family look bad. Point blank, if Chavo was as good and as over as Eddie was during his time he would get a similar run, but he isn't, so he doesn't. I think it would have been a good idea to give him more of a push in the wake of Eddies passing and maybe a US Title run around that time or a Tag Title run with Mysterio but in the end that wouldn't have changed where Chavo is now. I found a few of the things WWE did with Eddies name a little distasteful [mainly Orton saying Eddie was in hell, which offended me] but I am a huge Eddie fan, he is probably my favorite wrestler ever or at least in my top three and I think he would have been fine with what they did. I dont believe WWE ever disrespected his name or his family and I dont understand people that do. Usually their reasoning just amounts to VICKIE IS A HEEL AND CHAVO IS A JOBBER which to me is nitpicking and oversimplification at its worst. |
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