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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 7, 2009 20:48:28 GMT -5
We saw attempted murder with the Orton vs. Cena Iron Man. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 7, 2009 4:36:59 GMT -5
Bull Buchanan helped Bossman beat the Rock in a number one contenders match on RAW in a legit shocking moment. Since it was sorta akin to say, Cena facing Carlito now for a shot at the title and somehow Carlito wins and gets the shot. As for why Bossman was such a dick, his character at the time was sorta like that, established by the Pepper business, so it made sense. The actual feud always struck me as the type of thing that they knew was going to be awful if it wasn't over the top so they purposefully hammed it up for entertainment value and made it completely absurd. Huh? I thought Buchanan came in around 2000? Actually, yeah you are right. I was confusing him with someone else. It was Prince Albert that helped Bossman beat Rock on RAW. You can see why I could confuse him with Bull Buchanan. I cant remember if that actually ever went anywhere or they teamed at all as a result, though. Edit: I found a match on the Smackdown after where the announcers mention it. Albert is at ringside for Bossman, so they must have had some sort of tenuous team up. I believe this is the first thing Big Show did to really spark the feud as well, when he comes out to save Rock from a post match beat down. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 6, 2009 23:26:09 GMT -5
A few reasons. -Called up too early. -Was cookie cuttered -Stephanie saw something in him Dan Rodman, I loved in TE 4. And I was really happy to see him get a shot. But, then they cut his hair, and they just cookie cuttered him right to hell. And they didn't give him a long enough chance to hone his skills. He had potential, but that's the problem with WWE developmental. It's not FCW's fault (or in the past, OVW) that WWE calls up guys too early. Ricky Ortiz is another example. The guy was wrestling for a year and a half when they called him up. He was trained in OVW to wrestle and was signed when they saw him on tv. Ricky has a ton of potential, and I thought he was gonna be something. But they called him up long before he was ready, and he couldn't reach the potential that I felt he had. Well, I had no clue he was even from TE, I just assumed he was going to be a jobber in the match I saw but he ended up winning it. I will say this: he made Ricky Ortiz look like Bret Hart from what I saw. You are right though...often these guys get called up way too early, they get 6 months to improve or get over and when they dont WWE just drops them. Its definitely not fair, its like WWE expects them to be Kurt Angle. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 6, 2009 23:15:38 GMT -5
I too saw him at a house show, versus Eugene. It was, without a doubt the worst WWE match I ever saw live and it definitely wasn't Eugenes fault. Rodman looked completely lost. Plus he was, as said, extremely generic. In fact I totally forgot he even existed until now. Only reason I remember him is because that match was so bad. That was the exact match I seen. 3/25/2007, last house show at the old Toledo Sports Arena. Haha, I never read peoples profiles, didn't even notice! Yeah, I was at that same show with my dad. We both got crap from a bunch of kids for cheering Edge against Cena in the main event.  |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 6, 2009 23:10:33 GMT -5
I too saw him at a house show, versus Eugene. It was, without a doubt the worst WWE match I ever saw live and it definitely wasn't Eugenes fault. Rodman looked completely lost.
Plus he was, as said, extremely generic. In fact I totally forgot he even existed until now. Only reason I remember him is because that match was so bad.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 6, 2009 20:22:32 GMT -5
They chant "You F***ed Up"? I HIGHLY doubt that. Maybe its like the DoR Holy *CLAP* HOLY *CLAP* chants for near falls and Cell activities. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 6, 2009 19:49:19 GMT -5
His return was cool, but really it just boils down to a rehash of his debut, albeit not done quite as well.
Both times I knew it was Jericho behind the smoke and mirrors, so surprise is not even a factor in this, although I am sure his debut surprised more people.
Beyond that, as a fan of his in WCW it was awesome to see him debut and immediately be going back and forth with the Rock. Debuts today lack that kind of immediate impact...which is why they often leave the debuting wrestler struggling to get a reaction.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 6, 2009 19:44:28 GMT -5
Better matches than Attitude Era for the most part...
BUT I prefer WWE from say, around Angle and the Radicalz debut until around 2004 far more than this era. Great match quality, characters I actually cared about and more interesting storylines.
Although this era has some good match quality as well, the storylines largely suck and I just dont care about the majority of the wrestlers. It just feels as if there is much less spark. As JR would say, I prefer some sizzle with my steak and this era has no sizzle for me.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 6, 2009 18:23:54 GMT -5
The FU is okay. There isn't anything particularly remarkable or special about it, but it does the job in WWE land I guess.
Its more that its built up as such a strong move when in reality it doesn't look that impressive. If it was used more like the Angle Slam, where it was just a signature move that SOMETIMES got the pin but most of the time was just used to set up the submission or kicked out of, I would be cooler with it.
Its just that its treated like a death move, but it doesn't look nearly as impressive as a Tombstone, Pedigree, etc.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 6, 2009 14:50:50 GMT -5
Sheamus has a unique look, but thus far that is all he has going for him IMO.
As someone else said, so does Knox and that hasn't gotten him anywhere yet. In fact, Knox is way better in the ring and on the mic.
McIntyre is all right, but beyond being a lot younger I dont see what he has over, say, Stevie Richards [and I am not saying that just because of his finisher, they have a similar look and build and whatnot]. At this point he is above Sheamus in ability and mic skills but I dont get the whole FUTURE WORLD CHAMPION deal or why he got a PPV match above all the other people that could use that spot.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 6, 2009 5:12:35 GMT -5
I am just happy they are making DX entertaining this time rather than making poop jokes. Good call, guys! I wish they had been like this during 2006.
I also love that Hunter pretty much has an IWC gimmick even though the IWC hates him.
If it was any other wrestler doing it, he would be the most popular thing going on here...and that is from an HHH hater. He has been pretty entertaining the past few months, I will give the devil his due when he deserves it.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 5, 2009 23:16:14 GMT -5
Pretty sure sporting events are covered under fair use laws.
Do you think every artist played at a sporting event gets royalties or gives their permission?
I have heard a lot of wrestling themes at sporting events, BTW.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 5, 2009 23:14:06 GMT -5
If WWE can have three world titles I think TNA can have two.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 5, 2009 23:10:06 GMT -5
If he wants to wrestle sure, go for it. Could maybe do it to cash in on Iron Man 2 when it comes out. As far as Piper hosting... Sure he'll do a grand job of it, but hard to be interested - can think of plenty of other people, celebrities and wrestlers alike, I'd rather see personally. Maybe it's because Piper pops up so much it's hard to get excited for him showing up. I could think of plenty of other people too, but none of them will do it. I would rather have Piper than some B List celeb from a daytime talk show or something. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 5, 2009 22:37:35 GMT -5
Considering most of the guest hosts have been people I dont care about, yeah.
It was cool a couple times, like when Shaq hosted, but its made me stop watching RAW.
If they cant get any real celebs to host whats the point?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 5, 2009 20:52:16 GMT -5
In all fairness almost every promo in WWE today is one dimensional. Its due to poor writing and overly scripting just about everything.
Even guys like Cena who used to be able to cut great promos sound forced and one note most of the time. You cant go from a great promo guy to a bland, boring promo guy all of a sudden. It isn't the fault of the wrestlers.
Punk is the same way. Great promos on the indies, but the majority of the time in WWE he has been bland because he has no freedom in what he is saying and has to read lines like an actor instead of cutting a promo like a wrestler.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 5, 2009 20:48:49 GMT -5
Its a good thing she isnt teaching anymore. God. How could you screw that question up so bad?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 5, 2009 20:44:39 GMT -5
Like John Cena has dynamic, world shattering promos? He repeats the same crap over and over too. Of course Punks good promos use the straight edge thing. Thats his gimmick. Kinda like saying Takers good promos all talk about him being the Dead Man and taking peoples souls and blah blah...THATS HIS GIMMICK. Did I mention Cena? Did I say anything about his promos? Calm down there boy. I'm not faulting the guy for using his gimmick fully and doing it well. I just don't get the whole "Emotional" side I hear people raving about. Punk sounds like a condescending broken record. Also, Taker cut good promos when he was in the American Badass form. Nah, you didn't mention him. You mentioned Jericho during a discussion about Punk though, so I didn't think it was wrong to mention Cena. People are mentioning other wrestlers in this thread as well. Its a comparison. As far as Punks emotion, its all in the way he says things. He sounds convincing and real in his promos the majority of the time. People like Orton and Batista sound like monotone actors. They dont have any range. Punk does. I agree Taker cut good promos during the ABA days, but he doesn't now. Not that its his fault, but his character isn't going to change so hes stuck cutting deadpan boring stuff. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 5, 2009 20:37:58 GMT -5
Punk, Like Jericho relies on cheap heat and repeating the same rhetoric week in and week out. All of his good promos in ROH used the straight edge thing and all of his worthwhile WWE promos have used the straight edge thing. Everything else he has spit out has been mediocre at best. Especially his Batman voice ECW days. Like John Cena has dynamic, world shattering promos? He repeats the same crap over and over too. Of course Punks good promos use the straight edge thing. Thats his gimmick. Kinda like saying Takers good promos all talk about him being the Dead Man and taking peoples souls and blah blah...THATS HIS GIMMICK. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 5, 2009 20:35:48 GMT -5
Here's a thought, Rey might not have been taken enough pain pills for him to fail a wellness but his injuries probably had him taken pain pills regularly and he felt he had became addicted to them so he got help. If you get to the point that you are ADDICTED and Wellness cant trace that? That would be a severe problem with the Wellness Program. Also doesn't explain how WWE wrote him out of the storyline to go to rehab instead of outright suspending him. |
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