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Post by Rorschach on Mar 15, 2009 0:47:32 GMT -5
Gibbons' answer to the question asked: "This sort of visual cross-fertilisation is inevitable, and I’m sure that for every case where I feel that I’ve been maybe ripped-off, I could probably cite an instance where I’ve been influenced by something I’ve seen in a movie. Movies more than videogames, frankly; I’m not a great player of videogames, and since my son moved out, I don’t really look at them much at all. I suppose one example of a movie ‘borrowing’ was The Incredibles, which was a great movie that I’ve watched several times and thoroughly enjoy and applaud the craftsmanship of. It kind of has echoes of Watchmen in it – the wall of framed newspapers and stuff like that is obviously…let’s say a homage to what we did in Watchmen. More than that, there’s one particular image in it which is of Mr. Incredible in his civilian identity being crunched up in a tiny car that looks very close to something I drew in the early 1990s when the Berlin wall came down and a number of European comic artists were asked to contribute a strip about that. I did this thing about a superhero going to Eastern Europe and flooding it with Western consumerism. That did have a scene in it which was of a very bulky man in a collar and tie crammed into a German Trabant car. When I saw that scene in The Incredibles, I thought ‘I wonder if they ever saw that?’. Perhaps they did; I’ve got no proof but I suppose in the end you have to be flattered by people copying your work… " So yeah, if anything, INCREDIBLES stole little bits and pieces of Watchmen to pay homage to.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Mar 15, 2009 0:50:05 GMT -5
All that said is the same thing we already said, that there is a little simularity in how the heroes are banned basically and little influences, but that's it.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 15, 2009 1:10:47 GMT -5
Yeah, not hard to imagine that someone writing for the Incredibles was a comic book reader, and incorporated a plot line that he liked from the Watchmen into it.
Then again, the movie just ripped off the Incredibles... so that was something.
I was waiting for Jack Jack to come out of an alleyway.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Mar 15, 2009 1:17:36 GMT -5
Wait, Meat, that makes no sense. You would mean the Incredibles just ripped off Watchmen... since Watchmen was made WELL before Incredibles was even a though and the movie is just an adaptation.
I still don't get your comparison outside of the banned heroes either. The mood, atmosphere and setting of the two movies are drastically different. Not to mention the heroes are way different, personality and power wise and there isn't a family around.
I mean you felt how you felt, I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just trying to.... understand it.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 15, 2009 1:26:29 GMT -5
I'm saying that the Watchmen Movie ripped off of the Incredibles, which itself ripped off of the Watchman Comic.
I say it in jest, btw.
And it's still bits and pieces of the same story -- Heroes are banned from Hero'ing, go into seclusion, and then are brought back when someone very villainous is too much for the regular folk to handle.
But yeah, the mood is different, and the characters are different, and the atmosphere is different.
But I would have marked if Mrs. Incredible had a cameo.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Mar 15, 2009 1:41:12 GMT -5
Heh, that would be an INCREDIBLE cameo.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 15, 2009 1:56:34 GMT -5
I know everybody is hoping for certain things in the directors cut, but this is about 20 minutes more is all, and of all the things I have heard people want added more sex and violence hasn't been mentioned that much. In fact that's often listed as one of the most off-putting parts of this movie.
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Post by Convoy on Mar 15, 2009 2:42:29 GMT -5
I know everybody is hoping for certain things in the directors cut, but this is about 20 minutes more is all, and of all the things I have heard people want added more sex and violence hasn't been mentioned that much. In fact that's often listed as one of the most off-putting parts of this movie. Hopefully the sex and violence they are referring to are the 3 things I felt the movie should have contained: 1. Hollis Mason murder 2. Extended seen of New York aftermath (In the book, it's horrifying...In the movie it's just boring rubble) 3. Post apocalyptic lovin' between Laurie & Dan w/ awkward smiling Manhattan cameo
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Post by skiller on Mar 15, 2009 2:47:39 GMT -5
I know everybody is hoping for certain things in the directors cut, but this is about 20 minutes more is all, and of all the things I have heard people want added more sex and violence hasn't been mentioned that much. In fact that's often listed as one of the most off-putting parts of this movie. Hopefully the sex and violence they are referring to are the 3 things I felt the movie should have contained: 1. Hollis Mason murder 2. Extended seen of New York aftermath (In the book, it's horrifying...In the movie it's just boring rubble) 3. Post apocalyptic lovin' between Laurie & Dan w/ awkward smiling Manhattan cameo I'd really like to see that scene where Laurie meets the Comedian at the party. Without it the revelation of him fathering her doesn't have as much impact.
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Post by Convoy on Mar 15, 2009 3:01:09 GMT -5
Hopefully the sex and violence they are referring to are the 3 things I felt the movie should have contained: 1. Hollis Mason murder 2. Extended seen of New York aftermath (In the book, it's horrifying...In the movie it's just boring rubble) 3. Post apocalyptic lovin' between Laurie & Dan w/ awkward smiling Manhattan cameo I'd really like to see that scene where Laurie meets the Comedian at the party. Without it the revelation of him fathering her doesn't have as much impact. I felt that scene was actually edited down. Which may have been a sign of poor editing...but that's only IF it was edited down. The point is there might be more footage of that scene.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 15, 2009 3:16:37 GMT -5
Those are all good suggestions but can how much can you really fit in under 20 minutes and not make it feel even more condensed?
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Post by Grendel on Mar 15, 2009 8:31:53 GMT -5
Ouch, sharp drop. Honestly, they really should have thought about it better though when it comes to it's budget. It's going to end up with a respectable total. Especially when you consider that is't based on a material most people don't know, there are no big name stars in it, it's 3-Hours long and it's R-Rated. So the real problem comes from from the inflated budget and the source material isn't known enough to justify it. Yeah, it's not the usual comic book movie. My friends who went with me yesterday to see it (unfortunately I couldn't see it in IMAX because my friends suck) and by the end of it, they were kind of confused. I had to explain some things, especially how The Comedian was a hero but still did horrible things. One of them said she had to see it again, because she wasn't sure if she liked it or not.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Mar 15, 2009 10:30:52 GMT -5
Nite Owl and Silk Spectre having the most awkward looking sex to Leonard Cohens Hallelujah was one of the most awkward and silly things i've ever seen, other than that it was a really enjoyable film. Haley as Rorscach was excellent.
Prison scene and the credits were the highlight
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 15, 2009 13:35:24 GMT -5
Nite Owl and Silk Spectre having the most awkward looking sex to Leonard Cohens Hallelujah was one of the most awkward and silly things i've ever seen, other than that it was a really enjoyable film. Haley as Rorscach was excellent. Prison scene and the credits were the highlight Funny you should say that, as amongst my non-comic loving friends, the prison sequence rates as their highlight, and one of them even went so far as to say that it was the part that woke him up from a slight doze.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 15, 2009 13:47:54 GMT -5
You thinking it's going to break even, Pool? With that sharp of a drop... ehhh... When it's final World Wide gross is in, maybe, but not domestically. $150m budget. That's pretty damn big. All films recover their budget nowadays....eventually. Remember, the DVD/Blu-Ray market is going to add on a lot more money. It'll easily break even, if not potentially double its domestic box office, through DVD/Blu-Ray.
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Post by animalboy on Mar 15, 2009 19:43:30 GMT -5
Finally got to see the movie Thank god!
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Mar 15, 2009 21:34:58 GMT -5
With that sharp of a drop... ehhh... When it's final World Wide gross is in, maybe, but not domestically. $150m budget. That's pretty damn big. All films recover their budget nowadays....eventually. Remember, the DVD/Blu-Ray market is going to add on a lot more money. It'll easily break even, if not potentially double its domestic box office, through DVD/Blu-Ray. Yeah, I wasn't talking about that though Koda. I was talking about box office.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 15, 2009 21:42:19 GMT -5
All films recover their budget nowadays....eventually. Remember, the DVD/Blu-Ray market is going to add on a lot more money. It'll easily break even, if not potentially double its domestic box office, through DVD/Blu-Ray. Yeah, I wasn't talking about that though Koda. I was talking about box office. Yeah, but Rorschach never said anything about just the box office. So
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Mar 15, 2009 21:47:26 GMT -5
What you said though is true, in today's day and age it's much harder for movies to be legitimate flops.
Between domestic box office, foreign box office, DVD/Blu Ray sales, merchandising, in-movie-advertising (Minority Report is an example of a movie that almost made all of it's money back just through this means), video games, etc, etc movies have more avenues of revenue than any previous point in history.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 15, 2009 21:57:10 GMT -5
What you said though is true, in today's day and age it's much harder for movies to be legitimate flops. Between domestic box office, foreign box office, DVD/Blu Ray sales, merchandising, in-movie-advertising (Minority Report is an example of a movie that almost made all of it's money back just through this means), video games, etc, etc movies have more avenues of revenue than any previous point in history. And also, because of those reasons, independent films can also make a decent amount of bank. I mean f***, look at Napoleon Dynamite! That movie was made with a weak ass budget(only $400,000) and was a smash hit....it made $46+ million, which is over 115 times more than what the budget was! If nothing else, now is a good time to get into movies.
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