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Post by Premier Blah on Mar 9, 2010 2:42:31 GMT -5
Does anyone find it weird that Fisher Stevens (Ben Jabituya from Short Circuit, George Minkowski from Lost) won a freakin' Oscar? Seriously, if you were to tell me 5 years ago that this guy and the woman from Phat Girlz were going to be Oscar winners, I'm sure I'd laugh in your face. As goofy as it seems, I suppose they did try to highlight a good cause with their dolphin thing. But it is quite definitely a strange post-career sort of thing, and I'm glad to see them being activists like that.
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Post by toddpolt on Mar 9, 2010 3:52:07 GMT -5
As goofy as it seems, I suppose they did try to highlight a good cause with their dolphin thing. But it is quite definitely a strange post-career sort of thing, and I'm glad to see them being activists like that. Kinda like how the guy playing the tech nerd in True Lies later scored Oscar nods for producing and co-writing George Clooney's Good Night, Good Luck.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 9, 2010 4:16:38 GMT -5
Very happy to see Avatar didn't win. Now I really need to get round to seeing The Hurt Locker. Also did District 9 win anything? It's funny, but TIME magazine just did an article where they list all the reasons AVATAR got skunked by HURT LOCKER, and most of it comes down to the Academy being stuffy old poops who hate newfangled technology and constantly root for small films versus blockbusters. Heh...funny how that wasn't a valid argument when we comic nerds were saying it over Dark Knight getting snubbed. ;D
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 9, 2010 6:30:01 GMT -5
Very happy to see Avatar didn't win. Now I really need to get round to seeing The Hurt Locker. Also did District 9 win anything? It's funny, but TIME magazine just did an article where they list all the reasons AVATAR got skunked by HURT LOCKER, and most of it comes down to the Academy being stuffy old poops who hate newfangled technology and constantly root for small films versus blockbusters. Heh...funny how that wasn't a valid argument when we comic nerds were saying it over Dark Knight getting snubbed. ;D Personally, I think it had to do, at least for Best Picture, with the majority of the Academy's voters being actors, and lots of these actors are old school live action actors and they are afraid of eventually being replaced by people doing amazing performances, but being digitally made. I'm going to be honest here, if Avatar was live action, truly live action, Zoe Saldana would've had a Best Actress nomination. Being serious here. Her performance in Avatar was the only truly worth while performance, and you could kinda feel her pain. That, and she had to learn a complex made up language(more so than anyone else in the cast. Granted all the major Na'vi actors did, but Saldana has the most scene time out of all the native Na'vi actors, and the most lines). You know, the kind of things the Academy orgasms at? So yeah, if Avatar was live action, it probably wouldn't have been as snubbed as it was. But it wasn't. It was mostly computer made(though most of the time, you hardly could tell, everything f***ing looked real), and as a result screwed a deserving performance from a rightfully earned nomination. Would've greatly put Saldana in Streep's place this year. I love Streep, but as I've already said time and again, Julie & Julia was one of her weakest performances ever. It was like they nominated her just cause she's Meryl f***ing Streep. And there is nothing wrong with that, unless of course deserving performances like Saldana's get overlooked in the processes. And yeah, I've come to terms with Avatar losing most of the awards it was nominated for, but I will, till the day I die, stand by my opinion that Zoe Saldana deserved a nomination for her performance and work in Avatar. Now, not saying she should've won, just should've been nominated.
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 9, 2010 10:29:48 GMT -5
Personally, I think it had to do, at least for Best Picture, with the majority of the Academy's voters being actors, and lots of these actors are old school live action actors and they are afraid of eventually being replaced by people doing amazing performances, but being digitally made. I'm going to be honest here, if Avatar was live action, truly live action, Zoe Saldana would've had a Best Actress nomination. Being serious here. Her performance in Avatar was the only truly worth while performance, and you could kinda feel her pain. That, and she had to learn a complex made up language(more so than anyone else in the cast. Granted all the major Na'vi actors did, but Saldana has the most scene time out of all the native Na'vi actors, and the most lines). You know, the kind of things the Academy orgasms at? So yeah, if Avatar was live action, it probably wouldn't have been as snubbed as it was. But it wasn't. It was mostly computer made(though most of the time, you hardly could tell, everything f***ing looked real), and as a result screwed a deserving performance from a rightfully earned nomination. Would've greatly put Saldana in Streep's place this year. I love Streep, but as I've already said time and again, Julie & Julia was one of her weakest performances ever. It was like they nominated her just cause she's Meryl f***ing Streep. And there is nothing wrong with that, unless of course deserving performances like Saldana's get overlooked in the processes. And yeah, I've come to terms with Avatar losing most of the awards it was nominated for, but I will, till the day I die, stand by my opinion that Zoe Saldana deserved a nomination for her performance and work in Avatar. Now, not saying she should've won, just should've been nominated. The thing about Avatar is that there's a huge bias against films driven by production versus "realistic" films. I can't think of ANY production design driven sci-fi film winning a major award. Not 2001, not Star Wars, not ET, not Matrix (which was just as innovative as Avatar was in terms of making certain cinematic techniques mainstream). I guarantee that Metropolis would not have won a single award if the Awards existed back in 1925 (and yes, I know it was German). What sci-fi genre films really need is their equivalent of the Hugo Awards in literature, because its pretty clear they'll never get anything from the Academy other than production design stuff. Comedies even more so, since I can't even remember the last time an influential comedy won an Oscar.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2010 12:38:17 GMT -5
Very happy to see Avatar didn't win. Now I really need to get round to seeing The Hurt Locker. Also did District 9 win anything? It's funny, but TIME magazine just did an article where they list all the reasons AVATAR got skunked by HURT LOCKER, and most of it comes down to the Academy being stuffy old poops who hate newfangled technology and constantly root for small films versus blockbusters. Heh...funny how that wasn't a valid argument when we comic nerds were saying it over Dark Knight getting snubbed. ;D This is the same magazine that gave The Wrestler one of the few negative reviews calling it typical cliche Oscar bait but gave Australia the best rating there is!
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 9, 2010 13:00:32 GMT -5
It's funny, but TIME magazine just did an article where they list all the reasons AVATAR got skunked by HURT LOCKER, and most of it comes down to the Academy being stuffy old poops who hate newfangled technology and constantly root for small films versus blockbusters. Heh...funny how that wasn't a valid argument when we comic nerds were saying it over Dark Knight getting snubbed. ;D This is the same magazine that gave The Wrestler one of the few negative reviews calling it typical cliche Oscar bait but gave Australia the best rating there is! And what does that have to do with anything? Wrestler didn't get jack from the Oscars, it got the push it got based on its Cannes reception. If anything, that could be used as an argument to show how short-sighted the Oscars can be, since I've seen articles in Hollywood Reporter that erroneously referred to Rourke's performance in the film as "academy Award winning". When people can't even remember who won the actual Oscar, that's a pretty good exmple that the system was broken.
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Post by toddpolt on Mar 9, 2010 17:58:00 GMT -5
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 9, 2010 22:26:14 GMT -5
What sci-fi genre films really need is their equivalent of the Hugo Awards in literature, because its pretty clear they'll never get anything from the Academy other than production design stuff. Comedies even more so, since I can't even remember the last time an influential comedy won an Oscar. They're called the Saturn Awards. As for Avatar, the academy preferring traditional work would have something to do with it, but Avatar also had quite a bit of negative feedback as well for it's story, characterization and heavy-handedness. The one thing Titanic had over it was that people actually cared about the characters in Titanic. I think the negative backlash against it probably played a significant role, even if critical reviews were high.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 9, 2010 22:57:19 GMT -5
God damn it, Animal Planet. Do you WANT me to stop watching you? First you put on that show about those freaking eco-terrorists(Sea Shepherd), and now you are putting on a show that is extremely narrow minded? Really? *sigh* If only more people stopped looking at dolphins as cute cuddly things and realizing that they are the demons of the sea, raping, pillaging, and murdering other creatures for fun....
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Post by Cela on Mar 10, 2010 0:26:33 GMT -5
God damn it, Animal Planet. Do you WANT me to stop watching you? First you put on that show about those freaking eco-terrorists(Sea Shepherd), and now you are putting on a show that is extremely narrow minded? Really? *sigh* If only more people stopped looking at dolphins as cute cuddly things and realizing that they are the demons of the sea, raping, pillaging, and murdering other creatures for fun.... You never feel the same after you come home from a long day of school and find your mom in bed with a dolphin.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 10, 2010 0:48:07 GMT -5
God damn it, Animal Planet. Do you WANT me to stop watching you? First you put on that show about those freaking eco-terrorists(Sea Shepherd), and now you are putting on a show that is extremely narrow minded? Really? *sigh* If only more people stopped looking at dolphins as cute cuddly things and realizing that they are the demons of the sea, raping, pillaging, and murdering other creatures for fun.... You never feel the same after you come home from a long day of school and find your mom in bed with a dolphin. Damn dolphins.....
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Post by Orange on Mar 10, 2010 1:47:34 GMT -5
*Steps up to podium*
AVATAR.......... WAS......... ROBBED!!!!!!!!!!
*stomps away*
Seriously the movie had a story to back up the special effects, so why couldn't it win something important? I know it's cool to hate on popular things but really, Avatar couldn't get something relevant and meaningful? I know an Oscar is an Oscar but man did that movie get robbed. When I went to see it I was expecting it to just be a movie you saw for the special effects, but the story was there and rounded it out as an amazing movie IMO.
Ah well I don't really care for award shows anyway, if you're not a gripping documentary or a dramatic gripping, realisitic movie (like the Hurt Locker or Precious) you're walking away with jack.
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Post by Premier Blah on Mar 10, 2010 2:11:20 GMT -5
God damn it, Animal Planet. Do you WANT me to stop watching you? First you put on that show about those freaking eco-terrorists(Sea Shepherd), and now you are putting on a show that is extremely narrow minded? Really? *sigh* If only more people stopped looking at dolphins as cute cuddly things and realizing that they are the demons of the sea, raping, pillaging, and murdering other creatures for fun.... You never feel the same after you come home from a long day of school and find your mom in bed with a dolphin. I never knew Dan Marino was quite the ladies man.
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Post by The Line on Mar 10, 2010 2:15:13 GMT -5
You never feel the same after you come home from a long day of school and find your mom in bed with a dolphin. I never knew Dan Marino was quite the ladies man. pfft...Marino's a stooge. Now Don Shula, that's a guy that could make love to a mother or two.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2010 2:23:57 GMT -5
It's funny, but TIME magazine just did an article where they list all the reasons AVATAR got skunked by HURT LOCKER, and most of it comes down to the Academy being stuffy old poops who hate newfangled technology and constantly root for small films versus blockbusters. Heh...funny how that wasn't a valid argument when we comic nerds were saying it over Dark Knight getting snubbed. ;D Personally, I think it had to do, at least for Best Picture, with the majority of the Academy's voters being actors, and lots of these actors are old school live action actors and they are afraid of eventually being replaced by people doing amazing performances, but being digitally made. I'm going to be honest here, if Avatar was live action, truly live action, Zoe Saldana would've had a Best Actress nomination. Being serious here. Her performance in Avatar was the only truly worth while performance, and you could kinda feel her pain. That, and she had to learn a complex made up language(more so than anyone else in the cast. Granted all the major Na'vi actors did, but Saldana has the most scene time out of all the native Na'vi actors, and the most lines). You know, the kind of things the Academy orgasms at? So yeah, if Avatar was live action, it probably wouldn't have been as snubbed as it was. But it wasn't. It was mostly computer made(though most of the time, you hardly could tell, everything f***ing looked real), and as a result screwed a deserving performance from a rightfully earned nomination. Would've greatly put Saldana in Streep's place this year. I love Streep, but as I've already said time and again, Julie & Julia was one of her weakest performances ever. It was like they nominated her just cause she's Meryl f***ing Streep. And there is nothing wrong with that, unless of course deserving performances like Saldana's get overlooked in the processes. And yeah, I've come to terms with Avatar losing most of the awards it was nominated for, but I will, till the day I die, stand by my opinion that Zoe Saldana deserved a nomination for her performance and work in Avatar. Now, not saying she should've won, just should've been nominated. I agree that Zoe was incredible in Avatar but can she be realistically nominated by the rulebook? I know her facial expressions were captured by motion capture but the finished design could of been heavily tweaked which could cause controversy of being unfair. Same thing can be said with her body language. Plus her character was 100% CGI in the film. I don't think you can nominate someone by there voicework alone. But ya I really think she did put up a great performance and her performance is seriously underrated and overlooked.
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Post by livetowin on Mar 10, 2010 2:55:30 GMT -5
I might be in the minority here, but two very good films that I was surprised weren't nominated for anything aside from the minor "sci fi" awards were Star Trek and Watchmen.
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 10, 2010 3:12:34 GMT -5
I might be in the minority here, but two very good films that I was surprised weren't nominated for anything aside from the minor "sci fi" awards were Star Trek and Watchmen. Watchmen didn't even get a costumes nom...I mean, geez
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Post by eJm on Mar 10, 2010 8:19:25 GMT -5
I agree that Zoe was incredible in Avatar but can she be realistically nominated by the rulebook? I know her facial expressions were captured by motion capture but the finished design could of been heavily tweaked which could cause controversy of being unfair. Same thing can be said with her body language. Plus her character was 100% CGI in the film. I don't think you can nominate someone by there voicework alone. But ya I really think she did put up a great performance and her performance is seriously underrated and overlooked. Well...it was still performed by an actress in front of a blue screen so I'd consider it an acting nomination. It wasn't like she didn't have much part to do with it at all. I definatly agree that Zoe should be nominated, though. If it wasn't for her, I don't think I'd like Avatar as much as I did (despite the fact that I don't think it's a Best Picture nominee and would have put Star Trek in there instead).
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Mar 10, 2010 12:33:04 GMT -5
Happy because... Avatar lost Best Picture James Cameron lost Best Director Jeff Bridges won Best Actor Mo'Nique won Best Supporting Actress Christoff Waltz won Best Supporting Actor Logorama won Best Short Animated Film and of course Roger Corman won an Oscar! Unhappy because... In no way did Bullock deserve Best Supporting Actress. Should have gone to Meryl Streep. The stupid dolphin movie won. Tyler Perry... GO AWAY! I don't get how you want Tyler Perry to go away but are happy that Mo'Nique won. She wouldn't have won that Oscar if he hadn't have helped get the film distributed. I know, and that's fine, get the film distributed. But for the love of Pete stay off my TV screen! He's just such an attention whore.
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