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Post by noleafclover1980 on Mar 20, 2011 12:55:15 GMT -5
so you think a woman could never kick a man's ass? I think it's more a woman can't get a professionally trained fighters ass, without extensive training on their end. Beth may have a lil chance, since she did actually do amateur wrestling against men, but even then, that was years ago. As far as this weird MMA wouldn't work in a bar fight scenario... have any of you all actually seen a real fight? It's not always Roadhouse and crap you know. Usually they square off, crappy punches are thrown, and it ends upon the ground. Anyone who can do a ground and pound well in MMA would whip a lot of guys asses in a straight up fight. It's not all about submissions, plenty of fights are won by getting control and just beating a guys ass until the ref stops the fight.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 20, 2011 13:05:45 GMT -5
Someone tried to use that on me.
My response?
"I tried, but I blinked and the main event was over."
That shut them up.
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Post by jrcz on Mar 20, 2011 13:06:30 GMT -5
Someone tried to use that on me. My response? "I tried, but I blinked and the main event was over." That shut them up. That was Victory Road not MMA.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 20, 2011 13:08:25 GMT -5
Someone tried to use that on me. My response? "I tried, but I blinked and the main event was over." That shut them up. That was Victory Road not MMA. Don't watch TNA anymore so it wouldn't work for me. The one I was referencing was one of the Shamrock/Ortiz matches.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Mar 20, 2011 13:19:51 GMT -5
Someone tried to use that on me. My response? "I tried, but I blinked and the main event was over." That shut them up. That's what I likeabout MMA, it's unpredictable. If a match ends fast, I don't feel ripped off, cause it generally means someone just got knocked the **** out, and big knockouts are entertaining.
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Post by All-Encompassingly on Mar 20, 2011 15:07:01 GMT -5
There are so many MMA fans that are complete douchebags. They walk around in their Tapout shirts, acting like they know how to fight, and criticize real MMA fights that they would never have the skill to be in. Everyone wants to know how to fight, humans naturally would want to be able to defend themselves, and some just want to be arrogant and show off. Fighting arguments piss me off, because there's no true way to know who would win in a fight. There's no 100% chance that someone's going to win a fight. They can have a huge advantage, but shit happens. I personally don't like fighting, but I like wrestling and I am a slight fan of MMA.
To the people who think that Martial Arts won't help you in a real fight: That is complete bullshit and you don't know what you're talking about. I train in Martial Arts, but I don't train to become an MMA fighter. I learn self-defense so that if I'm ever unfortunately in a fight, I know how to stop it. I train for real life situations. I don't go in there and they say, "Ok, we're sparring today. Make sure you get takedowns for points, try to get the other guy to tap out and remember the rules." I train and spar like I would in a real fight: There are no rules. Of course, we don't try to go in there and kill each other, there are still limitations, but it's as close to training for a real as possible.
I know that I have the ability to, if I were in a bar and someone tried to hit me with a bottle, I would be able to block the attack and neutralize him. Is there a 100% guarantee that it's going to work? No, because as I said earlier, shit happens, everyone can make mistakes. But say he actually does hit me with something, I train for endurance so that he doesn't do any more damage to me. After he hits me with a weapon, I can get back up and use my knowledge in fighting to stop him.
Street fighters are nothing compared to Martial Artists. Like I said, there are no rules, but we realize that. In a real fight, someone might try to punch me in the dick or bite my ear off. I train to defend against scenarios like that. My punches and kicks will do more damage than the average person. I'm not going to try for a takedown for no reason because I'm not in UFC (UFC is NOTHING like a real fight), but if I see the opportunity and it makes sense at that moment in the fight, I'll go for it. I'll then try to use armbars, chokes, any submissions and try to break bones or get my opponent to pass out. I use strategy, I don't just go out there and try to make it look pretty.
And hell, let's say I get into a fight with a professional MMA fighter. Now, I'm nowhere near an expert in Martial Arts, but I'm trained to defend against even some of his techniques.
I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all here btw, I'm just using my personal experiences as an example.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Mar 20, 2011 15:15:29 GMT -5
dare i say if they ever had a legit fight between a few MMA stars and wrestlers, the mma guys would be on the losing end LMAO. No chance at all. Look how Brock Lesnar takes a punch. The guy cowers. You stick Jonny Jones, Cain Velasquez, Shogun Rua, Rampage Jackson, Georges St Pierre, Anderson Silva, ANY of those guys. Stick them in the cage with anyone from the WWE, and that ends in an absolute thrashing. Some WWE guys know how to fight for real, but compared with the top tier of the UFC, get real.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Mar 20, 2011 15:19:11 GMT -5
There are so many MMA fans that are complete douchebags. They walk around in their Tapout shirts, acting like they know how to fight, and criticize real MMA fights that they would never have the skill to be in. Everyone wants to know how to fight, humans naturally would want to be able to defend themselves, and some just want to be arrogant and show off. Fighting arguments piss me off, because there's no true way to know who would win in a fight. There's no 100% chance that someone's going to win a fight. They can have a huge advantage, but s*** happens. I personally don't like fighting, but I like wrestling and I am a slight fan of MMA. To the people who think that Martial Arts won't help you in a real fight: That is complete bulls*** and you don't know what you're talking about. I train in Martial Arts, but I don't train to become an MMA fighter. I learn self-defense so that if I'm ever unfortunately in a fight, I know how to stop it. I train for real life situations. I don't go in there and they say, "Ok, we're sparring today. Make sure you get takedowns for points, try to get the other guy to tap out and remember the rules." I train and spar like I would in a real fight: There are no rules. Of course, we don't try to go in there and kill each other, there are still limitations, but it's as close to training for a real as possible. I know that I have the ability to, if I were in a bar and someone tried to hit me with a bottle, I would be able to block the attack and neutralize him. Is there a 100% guarantee that it's going to work? No, because as I said earlier, s*** happens, everyone can make mistakes. But say he actually does hit me with something, I train for endurance so that he doesn't do any more damage to me. After he hits me with a weapon, I can get back up and use my knowledge in fighting to stop him. Street fighters are nothing compared to Martial Artists. Like I said, there are no rules, but we realize that. In a real fight, someone might try to punch me in the dick or bite my ear off. I train to defend against scenarios like that. My punches and kicks will do more damage than the average person. I'm not going to try for a takedown for no reason because I'm not in UFC (UFC is NOTHING like a real fight), but if I see the opportunity and it makes sense at that moment in the fight, I'll go for it. I'll then try to use armbars, chokes, any submissions and try to break bones or get my opponent to pass out. I use strategy, I don't just go out there and try to make it look pretty. And hell, let's say I get into a fight with a professional MMA fighter. Now, I'm nowhere near an expert in Martial Arts, but I'm trained to defend against even some of his techniques. I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all here btw, I'm just using my personal experiences as an example. 1) TapouT douchebags are the worst kind of people. they think any MMA fighter who doesnt go in swinging haymakers is a pussy. They also think Jiu Jitsu os just gay sex. 2) People who dont think Martial Arts aid you in a real fight dont know anything about Martial Arts. Retrospectively, before I trained kickboxing, I realise now that I had no idea how to throw a punch. 3) I agree about the UFC not being a real fight. Its sport fighting. Peple say UFC fighters would get their ass kicked on the street. No chance, they specialise in what to use in the cage. Outside of that, they would use a heck of a lot more, especially the Brazilians. Theyre savages. Good post.
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Post by Jeremy Dupoe on Mar 20, 2011 15:37:15 GMT -5
It really depends on what you call a pro wrestler. Is Sakuraba a wrestler? Or mixed martial artist? Because if you count him as a pro wrestler, then he's kicked all sorts of ass in MMA. Same goes for Severn and Shamrock, who both started as pro wrestlers. Lets not forget Lesner
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Post by chaimwitz on Mar 20, 2011 15:38:33 GMT -5
It really depends on what you call a pro wrestler. Is Sakuraba a wrestler? Or mixed martial artist? Because if you count him as a pro wrestler, then he's kicked all sorts of ass in MMA. Same goes for Severn and Shamrock, who both started as pro wrestlers. Lets not forget Lesner lesnar did some legit fighting in japan against angle. i forget what promotion but it was for some title( i think iwgp) and it was pretty much a wrestling match where they stiffed the hell out of each other
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 20, 2011 15:41:46 GMT -5
I usually bring up how that "fake" wrestler Brock Lesnar decided to try MMA and with very little experience was kicking the crap out of the best they had to offer. That usually works to at least give people the idea that wrestlers can be tough and hold their own.
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Post by chaimwitz on Mar 20, 2011 15:44:19 GMT -5
I usually bring up how that "fake" wrestler Brock Lesnar decided to try MMA and with very little experience was kicking the crap out of the best they had to offer. That usually works to at least give people the idea that wrestlers can be tough and hold their own. he's one of those rare athletes who can hold his own in any sport. he went from mat wrestling, to pro wrestling, to the NFL without having played a single since elementary and nearly made the the vikes squad before going to MMA and dominating. remember when people said "he cant do it" ? he's got the same chip on his shoulder than lashley does and it makes him dangerous
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Mar 20, 2011 15:49:29 GMT -5
Since we're all (presumably) over the age of seven here, can we not argue about who would win in a fight?
Or, if we do, can we at least make it fictional characters? HYPER SAIYAN GOKU VS MEGA MAN X, GO!
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Mar 20, 2011 15:56:33 GMT -5
I usually bring up how that "fake" wrestler Brock Lesnar decided to try MMA and with very little experience was kicking the crap out of the best they had to offer. That usually works to at least give people the idea that wrestlers can be tough and hold their own. Cain Veleasquez beat the crap out of him, and had he not blown his energy, Carwin wouldve finished him off too. Not to mention he had 60 pounds on Randy Couture, and Heath Herring is far past his prime. Plus Lesnar is a rare breed, and his pro wrestling acumen played no part in his ability to win those fights. I respect Lesnars achievements, but that doesnt make any indication on how well pro wrestlers can do in MMA. For every Brock Lesnar, there is a Yoshihiro Takayama, or a Yuji Nagata.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Mar 20, 2011 15:58:53 GMT -5
I usually bring up how that "fake" wrestler Brock Lesnar decided to try MMA and with very little experience was kicking the crap out of the best they had to offer. That usually works to at least give people the idea that wrestlers can be tough and hold their own. The Brock Lesnar thing isn't exactly the best reasoning for that, for several reasons: 1) Brock is a friggin' monster of a man, with freakish strength and size compared to most MMA heavyweights, combined w/ athleticism. 2)Brock was a collegiate champion wrestler before entering pro-wrestling, meaning that he is at least as good, if not better at grappling then just about anyone in the country. 3)He didn't just walk in and dominate, he trained very extensively to learn more then just a ground game. 4)He's not all that good... he is able to overpower lower tier guys, but has shown to have a lot of holes in his game, that higher level fighters have exploited, and got his ass handed to him in his last fight, in fight most had him favored in.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Mar 20, 2011 15:59:09 GMT -5
lesnar did some legit fighting in japan against angle. i forget what promotion but it was for some title( i think iwgp) and it was pretty much a wrestling match where they stiffed the hell out of each other It was a wrestling match. Standard Japanese style wrestling match. Angle has not been in a professional legit fight.
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Post by chaimwitz on Mar 20, 2011 17:45:36 GMT -5
lesnar did some legit fighting in japan against angle. i forget what promotion but it was for some title( i think iwgp) and it was pretty much a wrestling match where they stiffed the hell out of each other It was a wrestling match. Standard Japanese style wrestling match. Angle has not been in a professional legit fight. chyna was in the same fed fighting chono. sorry if im not a walking history book on japanese style wrestling
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Post by agent817 on Mar 20, 2011 18:53:04 GMT -5
I am wondering this about the MMA fans who are jerks. Is it true they even get on the cases of casual fans as well? I have read threads in which they constantly bash wrestling and believe me, I remember going on the IMDB board of "The Ultimate Fighter" in the past and this one guy got on someone's case because he happened to also like wrestling. Almost like saying he wasn't a "true MMA fan." I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case for casual MMA fans. I don't know much about the sport, but I respect it and do watch it in the same way I sometimes like to watch boxing. I just want to see what the fighters are made of and what they do to try to win. I never claimed to be the biggest fan nor have I ever said that I knew a lot about it. Just saying.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Mar 20, 2011 19:38:48 GMT -5
It was a wrestling match. Standard Japanese style wrestling match. Angle has not been in a professional legit fight. chyna was in the same fed fighting chono. sorry if im not a walking history book on japanese style wrestling My point is, it wasnt a fight. It was a wrestling match. There is a difference.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Mar 20, 2011 20:47:53 GMT -5
It was a wrestling match. Standard Japanese style wrestling match. Angle has not been in a professional legit fight. chyna was in the same fed fighting chono. sorry if im not a walking history book on japanese style wrestling What does Chyna vs Chono in a worked match have to do with Lesnar vs Angle in a worked match outside of the fact they both took place in Japan and were both worked?
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