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Post by vajayajayava on Mar 2, 2011 0:12:34 GMT -5
{Spoiler} were there a lot of glitches at the NC Impact tapings? I'm seeing a major spoiler in the form of a video and it appears one special segment had some technical difficulties that almost ruin it I know exactly what you're talking about. There were a few production hiccups here & there. in hopes you see and respond to this {Spoiler}there's a video leaked on some of the dirtsheets of Sting's entrance. during it the big screen shows a video of what looked like either TBP, Madison and some other women, or the Jersey shore women. If so that really takes the edge off of his comeback (imo)
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 2, 2011 0:19:43 GMT -5
You know, I'm not going to weigh in on Jericho's opinion at all; I'm just going to say that I miss the days of TNA being populated by a KILLER Knockout's division, Tag teams like AMW and XXX, Elix Skipper, and Monty Brown giving us a killer "poooooooooonce--uh! Period!" every week. THAT is the TNA that I miss. Whatever happened to it? That crap didn't work, brother! Nobody cared about the Pounce & cage-walking, dude! It's all about established stars hogging the spotlight, brother! Brother, brother, brother! *poses* Yeah, so silly of me to forget that established WWE guys are the future of TNA, not curtain jerking TNA original talent that the crowd connected to and cared about. ;D
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Post by Krimzon on Mar 2, 2011 1:10:09 GMT -5
I know exactly what you're talking about. There were a few production hiccups here & there. in hopes you see and respond to this {Spoiler}there's a video leaked on some of the dirtsheets of Sting's entrance. during it the big screen shows a video of what looked like either TBP, Madison and some other women, or the Jersey shore women. If so that really takes the edge off of his comeback (imo) That's exactly what happened. Confused the f*** out of me. I really hope they can edit that somehow.
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Post by vajayajayava on Mar 2, 2011 2:17:09 GMT -5
in hopes you see and respond to this {Spoiler}there's a video leaked on some of the dirtsheets of Sting's entrance. during it the big screen shows a video of what looked like either TBP, Madison and some other women, or the Jersey shore women. If so that really takes the edge off of his comeback (imo) That's exactly what happened. Confused the f*** out of me. I really hope they can edit that somehow. {Spoiler}yeah, i really hope they had enough cameras rolling to where they'll cut to a closeup of him or a crowd shot and not leave that in there unaltered on a non spoiler note The crowd looked great and really hot. I hope this translates over to the best televised (non ppv which most people don't see) Impact ever. They're going to, minus the glitches, look the most professional they have ever on Spike It's gonna look like an episode of Nitro or Thunder for the first time in around a decade (and I mean that seriously and enthusiastically, despite WCW and TNA's flaws)
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 2, 2011 8:50:19 GMT -5
I love the idea that Vince, deep down, wants TNA to step up and make his product better through competition.
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Post by vajayajayava on Mar 2, 2011 9:20:40 GMT -5
I love the idea that Vince, deep down, wants TNA to step up and make his product better through competition. I'd like to believe that, too. But I think it's just Jericho stroking Vince's ego, attempting to portray him as anything other than someone who wants a monopoly on the industry In reality Vince has enjoyed all these years without any real competition. why would he want another WCW to threaten his profits or company's survival?
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Post by Efren on Mar 2, 2011 9:37:14 GMT -5
Jerico's got a really good point, however the 3/3/11 thing I think just like Dixie with her bi monthly "Best ever, most important, game changer, *blank space for some meaningless shit* of the year that will revolutionize the wrestling business forever" that never fails to disappoint even when you have expectations so low they are in the minus zero percentages, things are just being exaggerated just as much as she does.
Its so retarded when you put it in the context of how much it was hyped, but TNA and more importantly Dixie tend to do that, a f***ing lot, one should be used to by now to not expect anything big when they say something big will happen, if you put it in the context of just the show without all the(mostly done in the Internet) hype it was just some stupid meaningless tongue in cheek 30 second vignette to let you know Sting was coming next week, hardly that important to make a fuzz over.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 2, 2011 15:48:39 GMT -5
I argued before that I understood what they did, but didn't think they did it well. However, the idea that digging at your competition is "bush league" is just ridiculous to me. Bush league implies that something isn't done in the professional realm or that it's behavior that doesn't belong in a professional world.
In reality, ad campaigns that dig at competition happen all the time, at the highest levels of business. Apple and Microsoft both did it. Every car company takes digs at opposing cars in their commercials. AT&T and T-Mobile do it. McDonald's and Burger King do it. Taco Bell does it. WWF, WCW and ECW all did it. Hell, pretty much every major corporation does it in some way. Sometimes they're explicit references and digs, other times they're not that explicit, but the act of trying to talk down competition to promote your own product isn't bush league, it happens in every level of business. Business is competitive, and that's common in anything that's competitive.
So yeah, I can understand criticizing the execution, but the act itself isn't bush league.
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Post by flatsdomino on Mar 2, 2011 23:28:55 GMT -5
I think we all want to see TNA be a bigger threat, but sorry Mikey.....this is just as bush league of TNA as it was bush league of WCW when they did Buzzkill. Except how it wasn't nowhere near as long, a promo instad of a person, and generally not at all like Buzzkill in WCW. Except it's far more significant than Buzzkill, because it was the main angle on the show {Spoiler}, resulted in a WORLD TITLE CHANGE right away, and seemed to be done solely to get at WWE. Why not have AJ be built up to take the belt off Hardy and back to the "real" TNA? Why not have Anderson and Hardy trade the belt back and forth in a blood feud that puts both guys, and the title, over like hell? Why not have Hardy go through challenger after challenger until Crimson is ready to take the belt off him, like Goldberg and Hogan in 1998? Hell, why weren't Joe and Pope built up as legitimate threats to Hardy's title at ALL, considering that they were an important part of the "They" angle to begin with? Because these things (aka "Long Term Booking") have no place in TNA. Planning for the future has no place in TNA. Building guys up has no place in TNA unless it's done completely by accident while one guy benifits from other's yo-yo pushes or a guy gets over on his own. TNA is all about being reactionary towards WWE, beating WWE, being better than WWE, WWE, WWE, WWE... Why not have a TNA that you could watch without even THINKING about the letters WWE? Remember back in '05-'07, when you could legitimately say that TNA was TNA? Why doesn't TNA actually say "You know what, f*** WWE" in the sense that they decide to actually offer a program that ISN'T WWE, that prides itself on being something new, on being TNA, and NOT on being "Not WWE"? There's a difference between someone who constantly rails against something and talks about what they're not and what they hate as opposed to what they ARE and what THEY stand for. TNA is, sadly, the first type of person. TNA as a brand needs to be built off of TNA the company, not off the back of WWE. That doesn't mean you can't have Hardy, Hogan, Angle, Sting - that just means that this has to be a whole new ballgame for these guys, and that there are other guys who THEY (heh, heh) must contend with - AJ and Joe ARE TNA, guys like Jeff Hardy and Mr. Anderson should be looking at them as the GODS of this new arena they're entering. Remember how DDP stalked Undertaker because he was the "biggest dog in the yard to go after, make a statement," etc.? The homegrown TNA guys who have become superstars in thier own way ARE the big dogs here and should be treated as such. And the new kids should be built up as a new breed of professional wrestling, much like TNA itself. But, unfortunately, with TNA, it's always one carefully thought out step forward in building the future, and then ten insane panicked Flair flops backwards on the path to self-destruction.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 3, 2011 7:46:48 GMT -5
^ Spoilers much?
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Post by skulldouggory on Mar 3, 2011 11:35:05 GMT -5
There are two distinct sides to this, and it has divided the fans completely.
People either "get" that it was just a bit of fun, to sting's return next week or think it's TNA blatantly copying WWE and hoping nobody notices.
I'm a huge critic of TNA's product post Genesis 2010 and i complain through the whole show week from week. But i understood what it was and what it was ment to be and i thought it was clever. Not because i think it was original or its going to win TNA huge ratings this week, but because it was just a slight jab whilst hyping sting's return next weel.
I will agree that the mistake TNA made, was hyping it on twitter has a huge suprise.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Mar 3, 2011 12:44:42 GMT -5
it was just some stupid meaningless tongue in cheek 30 second vignette to let you know Sting was coming next week, hardly that important to make a fuzz over. I agree with this. A 30 second promo on an 83 minute show (excluding commercials), makes up less than one percent (0.6%) of the entire content of the show.
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Post by flatsdomino on Mar 3, 2011 21:34:12 GMT -5
Mmm sorry. I actually thought last night was thursday.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 4, 2011 1:08:16 GMT -5
Honestly, TNA could do worse than take WWE's approach - ignore the competition.
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Post by hornshigh on Mar 4, 2011 5:43:15 GMT -5
What's this? 1. George W. 2. Mike Quacken. 3. Kate. 4. Type of shrub that roses grow on. 5. Band with Gavin Rossdale in it. A reasonable facsimilie of TNA. Although the 3/3/11 angle is just the tip of the iceberg, it is deeply symptomatic of the rot currently eating away at TNA. Until they drop the 'You know WWE? We're like them! We can do things like them! We have people who used to work for them! See how we attempt to emulate them!' attitude, and become 'We're TNA, bitches! We are what we are: We innovate, and we are a real alternative for wrestling fans, not just a cheap knock-off. Worship at your leisure', then they will remain... well... as illustrated above. I never said the words. I ain't gettin' pistol whipped
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 5, 2011 5:34:00 GMT -5
Really, so they do ONE spot, a minute or less and of questionable intention of one angle, and yet that is a outline OF AN ENTIRE ORGANIZATION! and I swear, I'm pistol whipping the next person who says "Bush league"! BUSH LEAGUE! And if it were just one thing I'd actually agree with you, but TNA has a very long track record of people trying to tear down WWE instead of building up TNA. Ripping the competition like that is bush league. Bush league of the bushiest bush. This Defintely BUSH LEAGUE, and its like I have always said, TNA has the creativity of a Xerox machine.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Mar 5, 2011 20:24:59 GMT -5
It's odd that Jericho uses ECW as a positive example when tearing down TNA. ECW did more parodies and took more shots at the competition, and did more "When I was in WWE (or WCW) I was left behind and I was held back" interviews than any wrestling organization EVER.
Yes, ECW had some great matches. But alot of it was posturing, stupid parodies, guys griping about getting held back by other companies, and putting down the competition.
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