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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Sept 24, 2011 10:20:06 GMT -5
It was completely unprofessional and went to show that maybe Shawn hadn't really changed all that much. I believe that if it was anyone other than HBK, the person would have been fired on the spot.
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Post by Fireravenv on Sept 24, 2011 10:29:16 GMT -5
I was there to see it live and it was awesome, the crowd seemed to love it. It wasn't until I saw the DVD that I noticed it was somewhat odd.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Sept 24, 2011 10:35:45 GMT -5
.....If karma exists, then Hulk may as well have been guided by the ghost of Davey Boy Smith because Shawn never got his comeuppance for what he did to DBS at One Night Only, which was 10 times worse than anything Hulk, HHH, Austin, or anyone could do (well, Austin beat his wife, but I'm talking wrestling related). Shawn wanted to play politics in the 90's? Well, when you play politics with the master, you will lose. And you lost...... I'm sorry, I was 5 years old at that point. What happened between HBK and the Bulldog at One Night Only? Bulldog was set to win the newly-created European Championship at ONO and was going to dedicate his victory to his sister (who was terminally ill). But Michaels was in total dick mode and demanded that he win the title, and he did. A few years later, his sister died, and later, Bulldog himself died. Some argue that this was worse than the Montreal Screwjob, which took place two months later (November 1997).
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Sept 24, 2011 10:41:13 GMT -5
.....If karma exists, then Hulk may as well have been guided by the ghost of Davey Boy Smith because Shawn never got his comeuppance for what he did to DBS at One Night Only, which was 10 times worse than anything Hulk, HHH, Austin, or anyone could do (well, Austin beat his wife, but I'm talking wrestling related). Shawn wanted to play politics in the 90's? Well, when you play politics with the master, you will lose. And you lost...... I'm sorry, I was 5 years old at that point. What happened between HBK and the Bulldog at One Night Only? That was a PPV show from the UK. Davey Boy was originally booked to go over Shawn in the match. Shawn refused to job, so the ending had to be changed. Adding more insult to insult, Davey dedicated the match to his sister who was terminally ill at the time (she died not long after the show). I think it was pretty crappy that Shawn did that to Davey. As bad as Hogan could be, he jobbed to Dino Bravo at a WWE house show in Montreal (during his heyday, no less) and he jobbed to Jacques Rougeau at a WCW show in Montreal ( a clean job too). Plus didn't he also do a clean job to Arn Anderson before Arn's retirement? Compared to that, Shawn's behavior in '97 puts him in a much poorer light.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 10:41:18 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the Hogan thing. Now, Michaels throwing a fit over Cena not selling so well and going against the plans for Mania 23's ending...
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Sept 24, 2011 10:43:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I was 5 years old at that point. What happened between HBK and the Bulldog at One Night Only? Bulldog was set to win the newly-created European Championship at ONO and was going to dedicate his victory to his sister (who was terminally ill). But Michaels was in total dick mode and demanded that he win the title, and he did. A few years later, his sister died, and later, Bulldog himself died. Some argue that this was worse than the Montreal Screwjob, which took place two months later (November 1997). I can't argue with that. At least Bret got a nice contract from WCW.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 24, 2011 10:47:26 GMT -5
I can't really vote for any of them. I thought it was funny, but that made it more of a crap match. If HBK was selling like he usually does he could have pulled a great match out of Hogan. Even then it is still kind of a great match just because of things like Shawn's offense, Hogan's sick blade job, and I think the crowd was pretty into it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 24, 2011 11:20:25 GMT -5
Completely hilarious. I don't care at all WHY he did it, it was funny.
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Post by donny on Sept 24, 2011 11:29:29 GMT -5
Unprofessional. Many smarks/Hogan haters will enjoy it because 1) Hogan was on the receiving end of it, and 2) in their warped minds they actually believe Hogan had it coming for allegedly not wanting to continue the feud past Summerslam. If karma exists, then Hulk may as well have been guided by the ghost of Davey Boy Smith because Shawn never got his comeuppance for what he did to DBS at One Night Only, which was 10 times worse than anything Hulk, HHH, Austin, or anyone could do (well, Austin beat his wife, but I'm talking wrestling related). Shawn wanted to play politics in the 90's? Well, when you play politics with the master, you will lose. And you lost. I didn't mind the selling, even though I knew the reason Shawn was doing it, until the big leg sequence. I'm glad Hogan waiting an eternity to hit the leg drop. Please do not compare Shawn's selling here to Curt Hennig's. One, Hennig sold like that for everyone (not just Hulk), and two I have never heard anyone say negative things about Hennig's professionalism. Shawn? Yeah, speaks for itself. Hulk Hogan is absolute garbage and is paying for every selfish, vile act he's ever done. If you feel sorry for Hogan, then there is something very wrong with you...That man ruined careers, companies, and is just a wrestling cancer these days... Yeah Shawn's a selfish tool as well, but like I said Hogan gets what he paid for I know!! Hogan is such a piece of crap. With all his charity work and association with the Make-A-Wish foundation, and what not. I bet there is a special place in hell reserved for the Hulkster, brother!! I'm not saying he's perfect because he is far from it. He lies. He played politics to protect his spot. But to say that Hogan deserved all of the misfortune that has fallen upon him is ridiculous. He didn't "Ric Flair" his money. He actually saved it. His kid's car accident, daughter's failed music career, and divorce wiped him out. When I look at the Hulkster, I am filled with two things: pity and fear. I pity him for what has happened to him and I fear ever getting married for what may happen to me. Now back to the subject at hand: I liked the way Michaels sold for Hogan. In my opinion, it added to the match. It made it look like Hogan was super human, which was kind of his gimmick throughout his entire career.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 24, 2011 11:39:47 GMT -5
I watched HBK vs. Hogan that night and didn't even notice Shawn was overselling. I was really into the match too, and was pissed off that Hogan won. Going back and watching it again, I can see certain bumps where HBK just oversells the hell out of it, but I don't think he was being unprofessional. No average fan would have noticed that, so it's not like he ruined the show. To top it off his overselling made the match even better.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 24, 2011 11:40:13 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the Hogan thing. Now, Michaels throwing a fit over Cena not selling so well and going against the plans for Mania 23's ending... What are you talking about?
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Post by Protest the Chris Hero on Sept 24, 2011 12:05:36 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan is absolute garbage and is paying for every selfish, vile act he's ever done. If you feel sorry for Hogan, then there is something very wrong with you...That man ruined careers, companies, and is just a wrestling cancer these days... Yeah Shawn's a selfish tool as well, but like I said Hogan gets what he paid for I know!! Hogan is such a piece of crap. With all his charity work and association with the Make-A-Wish foundation, and what not. I bet there is a special place in hell reserved for the Hulkster, brother!! I'm not saying he's perfect because he is far from it. He lies. He played politics to protect his spot. But to say that Hogan deserved all of the misfortune that has fallen upon him is ridiculous. He didn't "Ric Flair" his money. He actually saved it. His kid's car accident, daughter's failed music career, and divorce wiped him out. When I look at the Hulkster, I am filled with two things: pity and fear. I pity him for what has happened to him and I fear ever getting married for what may happen to me. Now back to the subject at hand: I liked the way Michaels sold for Hogan. In my opinion, it added to the match. It made it look like Hogan was super human, which was kind of his gimmick throughout his entire career. So just cause someone donates to charity and fulfills no doubt "paid" obligations for make a wish that equates a good guy?...roll them eyes at yourself buddy. Charitable acts don't excuse selfish behavior that has ruined careers, companies, his own family, other families....I'll roll my eyes at you know bucko
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Post by donny on Sept 24, 2011 12:11:24 GMT -5
I know!! Hogan is such a piece of crap. With all his charity work and association with the Make-A-Wish foundation, and what not. I bet there is a special place in hell reserved for the Hulkster, brother!! I'm not saying he's perfect because he is far from it. He lies. He played politics to protect his spot. But to say that Hogan deserved all of the misfortune that has fallen upon him is ridiculous. He didn't "Ric Flair" his money. He actually saved it. His kid's car accident, daughter's failed music career, and divorce wiped him out. When I look at the Hulkster, I am filled with two things: pity and fear. I pity him for what has happened to him and I fear ever getting married for what may happen to me. Now back to the subject at hand: I liked the way Michaels sold for Hogan. In my opinion, it added to the match. It made it look like Hogan was super human, which was kind of his gimmick throughout his entire career. So just cause someone donates to charity and fulfills no doubt "paid" obligations for make a wish that equates a good guy?...roll them eyes at yourself buddy. Charitable acts don't excuse selfish behavior that has ruined careers, companies, his own family, other families....I'll roll my eyes at you know bucko Does donating to charity and fulfilling the wishes of sick kids make the Hulkster a good guy in my eyes? Ummm....yeah! What selfish behavior are you talking about? Protecting his spot on top for the financial security of his family? Move over, Adolf Hitler!!! We have a real monster, here, buddy!! You do know that when Hogan was on top, he made everyone so much money that many wrestlers would go up to him, shake his hand, and say, "Thank you for putting food on my table." Does the Hulkster have an ego? Yes. But show me one successful person without one.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Sept 24, 2011 12:17:44 GMT -5
Do NOT even try to pretend that Shawn didn't ruin just as many, Hell, probably MORE careers than Hogan.
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Post by Protest the Chris Hero on Sept 24, 2011 12:20:22 GMT -5
So just cause someone donates to charity and fulfills no doubt "paid" obligations for make a wish that equates a good guy?...roll them eyes at yourself buddy. Charitable acts don't excuse selfish behavior that has ruined careers, companies, his own family, other families....I'll roll my eyes at you know bucko Does donating to charity and fulfilling the wishes of sick kids make the Hulkster a good guy in my eyes? Ummm....yeah! What selfish behavior are you talking about? Protecting his spot on top for the financial security of his family? Move over, Adolf Hitler!!! We have a real monster, here, buddy!! You do know that when Hogan was on top, he made everyone so much money that many wrestlers would go up to him, shake his hand, and say, "Thank you for putting food on my table." Does the Hulkster have an ego? Yes. But show me one successful person without one. He sure made WCW a lot of money...oh wait no he didn't....he sure took care of that Graziano situation, ehhh no he didn't....he sure has taken care of his family and made sure they grew up with out any issues....oh wait no he didn't ....at least he can provide for them financially...oh no, his wife is doing that on his dime for him....He's really making big thing happen for TNAIpmact....oh no, guess not that either...BUT at least he's out there making those wishes from his good ol' unselfish heart....oh wait no, he's getting obligated to do so and being compensated on top of that.....Yeah he's a real jam up guy.
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Post by Protest the Chris Hero on Sept 24, 2011 12:21:10 GMT -5
Do NOT even try to pretend that Shawn didn't ruin just as many, Hell, probably MORE careers than Hogan. Never said Shawn was any better...
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Post by donny on Sept 24, 2011 12:27:32 GMT -5
Does donating to charity and fulfilling the wishes of sick kids make the Hulkster a good guy in my eyes? Ummm....yeah! What selfish behavior are you talking about? Protecting his spot on top for the financial security of his family? Move over, Adolf Hitler!!! We have a real monster, here, buddy!! You do know that when Hogan was on top, he made everyone so much money that many wrestlers would go up to him, shake his hand, and say, "Thank you for putting food on my table." Does the Hulkster have an ego? Yes. But show me one successful person without one. He sure made WCW a lot of money...oh wait no he didn't....he sure took care of that Graziano situation, ehhh no he didn't....he sure has taken care of his family and made sure they grew up with out any issues....oh wait no he didn't ....at least he can provide for them financially...oh no, his wife is doing that on his dime for him....He's really making big thing happen for TNAIpmact....oh no, guess not that either...BUT at least he's out there making those wishes from his good ol' unselfish heart....oh wait no, he's getting obligated to do so and being compensated on top of that.....Yeah he's a real jam up guy. His kids aren't exactly on the Jerry Springer show. His daughter failed at her dream. What a basket case she must be!!! Nick Hogan was in a horrible car accident. Was it his fault? Yes. Unfortunately, that happens every day. Every 60 seconds, someone is killed in a car accident and someone else is at fault. That could honestly happen to anybody. WCW went out of business for many, many reasons. To put all the blame on Hulk is ridiculous. In 1994, before they signed Hulk, they were losing money every year and only Ted Turner's devotion kept them afloat. In 1997, with Hulk Hogan on top, WCW experienced their most profitable year ever. What did Hulk Hogan do to you to inspire such hate? Did he not put over your favorite wrestler?
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Sept 24, 2011 12:38:38 GMT -5
WCW went out of business for many, many reasons. To put all the blame on Hulk is ridiculous. In 1994, before they signed Hulk, they were losing money every year and only Ted Turner's devotion kept them afloat. In 1997, with Hulk Hogan on top, WCW experienced their most profitable year ever. What did Hulk Hogan do to you to inspire such hate? Did he not put over your favorite wrestler? Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were more responsible for being on top in 1997 than Hogan was. Someone has been drinking too much Hogan kool aid.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Sept 24, 2011 12:40:52 GMT -5
Funny that everyone gets on HBK and calling him unprofessional for that selling, but praised Mr. Perfect for doing a lot of the same during his career.
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Post by donny on Sept 24, 2011 12:50:31 GMT -5
WCW went out of business for many, many reasons. To put all the blame on Hulk is ridiculous. In 1994, before they signed Hulk, they were losing money every year and only Ted Turner's devotion kept them afloat. In 1997, with Hulk Hogan on top, WCW experienced their most profitable year ever. What did Hulk Hogan do to you to inspire such hate? Did he not put over your favorite wrestler? Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were more responsible for being on top in 1997 than Hogan was. Someone has been drinking too much Hogan kool aid. Drinking the Hogan kool aid? Hardly. I was never a huge fan of the guy, but I have respect for his contributions to the business. I am not going to just sit idly by while someone says that Hogan has brought on all of his current misfortunes because he played politics in the wrestling business. That is just asinine.
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