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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Sept 25, 2011 11:01:04 GMT -5
Gotta admit, I loved it. It was hilarious to watch.
Michaels carried that feud, especially with the BROTHER!!!!!!111 promo, and of course "Whos your daddy Montreal?" If its true that Hogan refused the second match, then HBK was within his rights. Dont try and be a prima donna against a guy who spent his physical prime being the biggest prima donna in the industry.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Sept 25, 2011 11:05:30 GMT -5
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Post by RAW IS GWAR on Sept 25, 2011 11:05:54 GMT -5
I loved it. Hogan wants to look like a superhero, he got it. Perfect way to look at it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 11:30:51 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the Hogan thing. Now, Michaels throwing a fit over Cena not selling so well and going against the plans for Mania 23's ending... What are you talking about? Apparently, the show was supposed to end with him and Cena shaking hands, but he turned it down and stormed off because Cena wasn't selling a leg injury.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Sept 25, 2011 11:57:51 GMT -5
What are you talking about? Apparently, the show was supposed to end with him and Cena shaking hands, but he turned it down and stormed off because Cena wasn't selling a leg injury. In fairness, it looked ridiculous that HBK spent the whole match working the leg and Cena just forgets halfway through the match, forcing JR to cover for it by BSing about Cena fighting through the pain.
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 25, 2011 17:15:25 GMT -5
People seriously overreact to Shawn's selling in this match. He oversold the finish yeah, but during the rest of the match he didn't do anything that any of Hogan's opponents have done in the past.
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Post by Piccolo on Sept 25, 2011 19:52:39 GMT -5
Hogan got his own BS thrown back at him, actually. This argument goes both ways. People are saying that the only reason people were amused by it is because Shawn's opponent was Hogan... but honestly, it's just as easy to say that the reason people are acting like it's the most heinous thing ever done in wrestling is because it was done by Shawn (note the earlier reference to karma and Davey Boy). I don't think that is a valid comparison. For one thing, no one here has brought up any factual claim to suggest Hogan had anything coming to him. Hey, if you think Shawn did it completely randomly, with absolutely no provocation by Hogan in any way whatsoever, more power to you. All I'm saying is that the story is that Hogan out-politicked Shawn (ie, wanted straight heel vs face story instead of face vs face mutual respect story and skipped out on the second match they were supposed to have) and Shawn got a little of his own back in the match through the overselling. All the other stuff you posted is irrelevant to my post... I wasn't talking about their careers. Just about what was between these two men in this feud.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 20:48:12 GMT -5
I don't think that is a valid comparison. For one thing, no one here has brought up any factual claim to suggest Hogan had anything coming to him. Hey, if you think Shawn did it completely randomly, with absolutely no provocation by Hogan in any way whatsoever, more power to you. All I'm saying is that the story is that Hogan out-politicked Shawn (ie, wanted straight heel vs face story instead of face vs face mutual respect story and skipped out on the second match they were supposed to have) and Shawn got a little of his own back in the match through the overselling. All the other stuff you posted is irrelevant to my post... I wasn't talking about their careers. Just about what was between these two men in this feud. I brought up the other stuff because no one is saying Shawn was unprofessional just because we hate Shawn. It is because he has a history of being unprofessional. That is why his past is relevant in this case. With Hogan, a lot of the stuff is hearsay and wrong. People seem to hate Hogan but have no real reason for doing so other than spouting off cliches that every newbie to the net will hear the second they log onto a wrestling forum for the first time (politics, killed WCW, etc, etc). What Hogan did was not unprofessional. If Vince, Hulk, and Shawn agreed to the finish, then Hogan didn't do anything wrong. Shawn and Vince did not have to cater to Hogan's requests, but they did and it made money (it was their highest non-WM buyrate since 2002 at the time). Justifying Shawn's actions by saying "well Hogan must have forced it or been a dick backstage" is just an assumption. Even if you despise Hulk Hogan for whatever reason, I don't know why anyone would side with Michaels here. In hindsight, I wish Michaels sold like that for Undertaker or something. Maybe then it would have been seen as unprofessional (and Shawn may not be living at this moment with the inevitable fist taping and all).
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Post by stinger on Sept 25, 2011 20:54:55 GMT -5
It's hilarious how everyone on this thread is trashing Shawn, but the poll shows that most people overwhelmingly liked it. Must be a lot of butt hurt HBK haters that can't stand the fact that their favorite can't hold a candle to Shawn in the ring.
Hogan is garbage. His contributions to wrestling? What? Getting pushed to the moon because he happened to be a muscular guy at the right time? He has always been absolute crap in the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 21:02:27 GMT -5
It's hilarious how everyone on this thread is trashing Shawn, but the poll shows that most people overwhelmingly liked it. Must be a lot of butt hurt HBK haters that can't stand the fact that their favorite can't hold a candle to Shawn in the ring. Hogan is garbage. His contributions to wrestling? What? Getting pushed to the moon because he happened to be a muscular guy at the right time? He has always been absolute crap in the ring. Isn't it odd how when people bash Shawn they can present facts and dates and quotes from other wrestlers, while the Hogan bashing requires hyperbole and subjective bias. "Michaels refused to job to Davey Boy in England for One Night Only in 1997 when Davey was supposed to win and dedicated the match to his dying relative". "Oh yeah? Well, Hogan sucks!" "Business was way down in 1996 when Michaels was on top, MSG was drawing 3000 people during house show runs when he was main eventing, and business as a whole did not improve until he left with a back injury in 1998". "Hogan was just lucky to be famous in the 80's because he was big and muscular (....despite the fact that he was drawing big money for Japan and the AWA before Vince Jr. got a hold of him, and was already a star coming off Rocky III)." The bias here is pretty evident.
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Post by foreveryoung on Sept 25, 2011 21:04:59 GMT -5
It was horribly unprofessional but by that time Hogan never should have been wrestling ( he still shouldn't be) but Hogan's last match should have been with the Rock. Then have the big "Ric flair" sendoff and call it a career. Perfectly fitting for the GOAT. Why he had to come back with all his injuries and broken down and wrestling Shawn or Orton? ehh...
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Sept 25, 2011 21:08:10 GMT -5
It was entertaining and made me genuinely laugh. And made Hogan look like a jackass.
Was it unprofessional? Yeah...but so is not giving the active wrestler the win. It was karma.
It made that match watchable (and rewatchable consequently).
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 25, 2011 21:11:46 GMT -5
It's hilarious how everyone on this thread is trashing Shawn, but the poll shows that most people overwhelmingly liked it. Must be a lot of butt hurt HBK haters that can't stand the fact that their favorite can't hold a candle to Shawn in the ring. Hogan is garbage. His contributions to wrestling? What? Getting pushed to the moon because he happened to be a muscular guy at the right time? He has always been absolute crap in the ring. You do know that Hogan was already drawing top dollar in Japan and in the AWA before he even stepped foot in a WWF ring? Not only that, he had some damn good matches in Japan to. So no, he wasn't "always absolute crap in the ring".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 21:15:21 GMT -5
It's hilarious how everyone on this thread is trashing Shawn, but the poll shows that most people overwhelmingly liked it. Must be a lot of butt hurt HBK haters that can't stand the fact that their favorite can't hold a candle to Shawn in the ring. Hogan is garbage. His contributions to wrestling? What? Getting pushed to the moon because he happened to be a muscular guy at the right time? He has always been absolute crap in the ring. This post has already been pretty overwhelmingly debunked, but I just wanna throw in that it's instantly impossible to take an argument seriously when the words, "Butt hurt," are thrown out.
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Post by joebob27 on Sept 25, 2011 21:16:42 GMT -5
I think it's funny that a Sting fan is saying that. lol. When's the last time Sting worked a good match? He definitely didn't get over on "look".
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 25, 2011 21:21:01 GMT -5
I think it's funny that a Sting fan is saying that. lol. When's the last time Sting worked a good match? He definitely didn't get over on "look". As a Sting fan, I can say the last match of his that really wowed me was the BFG match with Kurt Angle in 2007. Although their match at Destination X 2009, while overbooked, wasn't that bad either.
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Post by joebob27 on Sept 25, 2011 21:35:08 GMT -5
I think it's funny that a Sting fan is saying that. lol. When's the last time Sting worked a good match? He definitely didn't get over on "look". As a Sting fan, I can say the last match of his that really wowed me was the BFG match with Kurt Angle in 2007. Although their match at Destination X 2009, while overbooked, wasn't that bad either. I don't watch alot of TNA, it was just a rhetorical question really. Sting is in the same boat he's ragging on Hogan for being. Sting used to be pretty good before they took him out of the ring for over a year. Hogan wasn't nearly as bad as he's made out to be. Both got over on "look". But both of them held on for way way too long.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Sept 25, 2011 21:41:48 GMT -5
It's hilarious how everyone on this thread is trashing Shawn, but the poll shows that most people overwhelmingly liked it. Must be a lot of butt hurt HBK haters that can't stand the fact that their favorite can't hold a candle to Shawn in the ring. Hogan is garbage. His contributions to wrestling? What? Getting pushed to the moon because he happened to be a muscular guy at the right time? He has always been absolute crap in the ring. I'm not trying to pick on you or single you out stinger4christ, but I haven't seen such a blatantly biased thread in ages.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Sept 25, 2011 22:00:03 GMT -5
It's hilarious how everyone on this thread is trashing Shawn, but the poll shows that most people overwhelmingly liked it. Must be a lot of butt hurt HBK haters that can't stand the fact that their favorite can't hold a candle to Shawn in the ring. Hogan is garbage. His contributions to wrestling? What? Getting pushed to the moon because he happened to be a muscular guy at the right time? He has always been absolute crap in the ring. So much bias in this post. It's just overflowing.
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Post by foreveryoung on Sept 25, 2011 22:55:39 GMT -5
Well Hogan kind of was garbage in the ring, looking back as we are older now. Being a kid at the time, I wasn't aware of "workrate".
So Stinger does have a point in that regard. But the guys who generally draw the biggest bucks in the business aren't great in ring technical marvels of course.
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