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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 24, 2011 15:19:18 GMT -5
Has Hogan gone on record stating he took issue with Shawn's overselling? While I personally felt HBK hammed it up too much and it detracted a bit from the match, I'm certainly not going to be outraged over it if Hogan wasn't.
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 24, 2011 15:23:13 GMT -5
Has Hogan gone on record stating he took issue with Shawn's overselling? While I personally felt HBK hammed it up too much and it detracted a bit from the match, I'm certainly not going to be outraged over it if Hogan wasn't. Hogan in a recent interview on the radio said "I'm not sure" when he was asked about the overselling. Edit: Here's the interview I was referring to:
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Post by wildojinx on Sept 24, 2011 15:25:19 GMT -5
One could ague that the crazy bumps actually made hogan's offense look more impressive. I still dont get why they didnt continue the angle though. Im sure there were casual fans who hadnt tuned in to the wwe in years who ordered this ppv just to see hogan. By having hogan leave after you cause a lot of potential fans to not watch any further.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Sept 24, 2011 15:31:02 GMT -5
One could ague that the crazy bumps actually made hogan's offense look more impressive. I still dont get why they didnt continue the angle though. Im sure there were casual fans who hadnt tuned in to the wwe in years who ordered this ppv just to see hogan. By having hogan leave after you cause a lot of potential fans to not watch any further. Hogan took off. That's why Shawn was so pissed.
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Post by JDviant on Sept 24, 2011 15:34:28 GMT -5
Very unprofessional, yet very funny. Same here. And it made the match memorable for my friends, so thats something the Hogan/Orton match didn't do. Only CaRKO saves that scenario.
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Post by Piccolo on Sept 24, 2011 15:37:43 GMT -5
Michaels got his BS thrown back at him and acted like a 3 year old. Just put the guy over and leave. He's Hulk Hogan, you're not. Hogan got his own BS thrown back at him, actually. This argument goes both ways. People are saying that the only reason people were amused by it is because Shawn's opponent was Hogan... but honestly, it's just as easy to say that the reason people are acting like it's the most heinous thing ever done in wrestling is because it was done by Shawn (note the earlier reference to karma and Davey Boy). In the end, it was funny, both guys were douches, and both guys appear to be over it. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Shawn getting out-politicked, and I don't feel any more sorry for Hogan getting mocked in response. They deserved each other, and for me as a fan, it was highly amusing.
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Post by joebob27 on Sept 24, 2011 15:39:08 GMT -5
One could ague that the crazy bumps actually made hogan's offense look more impressive. I still dont get why they didnt continue the angle though. Im sure there were casual fans who hadnt tuned in to the wwe in years who ordered this ppv just to see hogan. By having hogan leave after you cause a lot of potential fans to not watch any further. Hogan took off. That's why Shawn was so pissed. He was pissed he didn't get his win back. But why should have he? He was the heel in the feud, heel loses. Pretty simple formula and the one that everyone claims the WWE formula is. There was no point to a second match. So Michaels cheats to win and Hogan disappears. Then what?
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Post by Chuck Conry on Sept 24, 2011 15:45:38 GMT -5
So what did Shawn do that wasn't scripted at WrestleMania 23 again?
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 24, 2011 15:51:01 GMT -5
I've never noticed him going off script at WM 23, although I think I've only seen that match once.
I do remember him losing his shit against Mr. Kennedy once and kicking him in the face, lol.
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Post by wildojinx on Sept 24, 2011 15:57:07 GMT -5
Hogan took off. That's why Shawn was so pissed. He was pissed he didn't get his win back. But why should have he? He was the heel in the feud, heel loses. Pretty simple formula and the one that everyone claims the WWE formula is. There was no point to a second match. So Michaels cheats to win and Hogan disappears. Then what? There could have been a third match, maybe a ladder match (unlikely, but considering hogan's never been in one, it would be interesting to see), cage match, or some other gimmick, where Hogan gets his final revenge. Really though, i just want to see more of heel shawn (that character was EXCELLENT, and its a shame it only lasted 1 month).
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 24, 2011 15:59:46 GMT -5
So what did Shawn do that wasn't scripted at WrestleMania 23 again? Yeah, I'd like to know that as well.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Sept 24, 2011 15:59:51 GMT -5
In the end, it was funny, both guys were douches, and both guys appear to be over it. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Shawn getting out-politicked, and I don't feel any more sorry for Hogan getting mocked in response. They deserved each other, and for me as a fan, it was highly amusing. That's probably the best summation I've read of the match. In the end, a guy got outmanuevered by a better backstage politician and then outmanuevered him in the ring as revenge. Both of them probably had something like that coming, and the fans get a very entertaining "dream main event" out of it. For something that didn't impact either wrestler or the company negatively in any way whatsoever, it's surprising this gets dragged up so much.
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Post by mjolnir on Sept 24, 2011 16:00:53 GMT -5
That was probably the only other thing that was truly roll of the eyes worthy Shawn did in that feud...
He didn't want to be the heel, he wanted Hogan to be it.
Come on, just come on. Say what you want about Hogan but there was no way on God's green Earth the fans were going to cheer Shawn over Hogan. Hogan, at that point, could nearly kill someone and still get cheered (hello NWO vs. Rock).
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Sept 24, 2011 16:06:39 GMT -5
So what did Shawn do that wasn't scripted at WrestleMania 23 again? Yeah, I'd like to know that as well. If I remember right after the match one of them (I think Cena) went to try and shake the other's hand and the other person was having none of it. As for this match, they seem to be over it so I really don't dwell on how offensive/unprofessional it was (clearly though the whole scenario was not professional on either side - difference was that only HBK's was clearly visible on the PPV). Bar none, one of the most hilarious things I've ever watched.
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Post by Piccolo on Sept 24, 2011 16:32:03 GMT -5
That was probably the only other thing that was truly roll of the eyes worthy Shawn did in that feud... He didn't want to be the heel, he wanted Hogan to be it. Come on, just come on. Say what you want about Hogan but there was no way on God's green Earth the fans were going to cheer Shawn over Hogan. Hogan, at that point, could nearly kill someone and still get cheered (hello NWO vs. Rock). That's not what I heard. I heard that he wanted it to be face vs face, like a mutual respect thing. Hogan wanted it to be face vs heel. So Shawn heeled it up dutifully, but was bitter about it because he hadn't wanted to play that role again. Both of them probably had something like that coming, and the fans get a very entertaining "dream main event" out of it. For something that didn't impact either wrestler or the company negatively in any way whatsoever, it's surprising this gets dragged up so much. Yeah, it's surprising to me, too.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Sept 24, 2011 16:47:52 GMT -5
I'm also very suspicious of wrestlers who 'want' to be the babyface all the time. I think they have something missing in their lives if they always want to be face, especially since the face gets all the fan adoration and the heel's job is primarily to make the face look good. Heel is the much more unselfish of the two roles - perhaps a true Christian should play the heel in wrestling.
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Post by Piccolo on Sept 24, 2011 16:49:14 GMT -5
I'm also very suspicious of wrestlers who 'want' to be the babyface all the time. I think they have something missing in their lives if they always want to be face, especially since the face gets all the fan adoration and the heel's job is primarily to make the face look good. Heel is the much more unselfish of the two roles - perhaps a true Christian should play the heel in wrestling. Do we have a ban on talking about religion on the board, just out of curiosity?
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 24, 2011 16:51:15 GMT -5
Both of them probably had something like that coming, and the fans get a very entertaining "dream main event" out of it. For something that didn't impact either wrestler or the company negatively in any way whatsoever, it's surprising this gets dragged up so much. I think part of the reason it gets dragged up so much is because of the people it involves; both Hulk Hogan and Shawn Michaels turned off a lot of people due to their politicking. Whenever it gets dragged up, it's easy to talk about how wrong either of them was, whether it be Hogan for weaseling his way out of losing to HBK, or HBK's revenge of sorts at the PPV ("unprofessional" as it may have been). It's basically just a discussion of who was more in the wrong.
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Post by kingbookermark on Sept 24, 2011 16:51:55 GMT -5
Hogan didn't want to Job to HBK. He got what he deserved.
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Post by fw91 on Sept 24, 2011 16:52:13 GMT -5
yeah it was unprofessional. HBk probably should have swallowed his pride but thing was it was kinda silly based upon earlier events in the year. If I was Shawn i probably wouldv'e understood jobbing because Hogan is Hogan, but the whole logistics of it all was a bit stupid. HBK wrestled two classics including a victory against the younger, agile, considered to be one of the best at that time Kurt Angle. But barely got in any offense against an immobile old Hogan. Don't get me wrong, I understand that Hogan probably shouldv'e won becuase he was pretty much one match and done, as well as the face so losing would't have made much sense, but when you look at the mania/vengeance matches earlier that year, it's not very believable HBK would get dominated by Hogan. thus the over the top antics
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