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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 12:46:58 GMT -5
Why is everyone believing this guy is legit? alot of what he's saying is questionable I feel the same way...I dont buy it...
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Post by gmoneyftw on May 25, 2012 12:47:34 GMT -5
I was able to find the thread on gamefaqs, but I don't have access to it because I don't have karma of 15 Please keep us posted on other new stuff. This is pretty cool this guy is opening up and answering questions.
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Post by Richard on May 25, 2012 12:49:32 GMT -5
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 25, 2012 13:03:49 GMT -5
Aspiring WWE wrestlers should all take a page from Scott Hall's book and go to Vince and pitch gimmicks based on famous characters from pop culture and he'll think they're geniuses from coming up with these incredible ideas on their own. THIS. Seriously if I was in creative , I would just throw stuff out like "What if we had a clown who was also an anarchist who attacked people just for the fun of it?" just to see if Vince even knew who the Joker Was. Or Hell , "There's this guy from Philadelphia and he works in a meat factory but he also wrestles. We call him the Italian stallion. He's a real underdog." I was thinking more "there's this guy from philadelphia. he's a lawyer and he gets Aids so they fire him. so he becomes a wrestler for money and everyone's afraid to wrestle him because if he gets cut he might give them Aids. it'll be the most tasteless thing ever".
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Post by sabretooth on May 25, 2012 13:06:30 GMT -5
Hey Vince, how about a kid from West Philly, born and raised...
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 25, 2012 13:24:13 GMT -5
or hell, a whole stable of guys from various movies/shows set in Philly.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 13:34:43 GMT -5
or hell, a whole stable of guys from various movies/shows set in Philly. Team Cheese Steak?
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Post by Rican on May 25, 2012 13:34:51 GMT -5
Hey, Christian is just like his fans!
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Post by Steveweiser on May 25, 2012 13:49:03 GMT -5
Or a stable of five people from Philly, including a Diva. Three of them are called Reynolds...
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Post by trollrogue on May 25, 2012 14:11:44 GMT -5
I wonder what the JR/Vince beef is really about. JR seems to live/breathe/eat this biz at least as much as Vince does, so maybe it's a case of the company not being big enough for the two of them...
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Post by FinalGwen on May 25, 2012 14:17:45 GMT -5
They were considering doing a relationship between a face Diva and a heel superstar. I believe the frontrunner was Kelly Kelly with Wade Barrett, but that never happened." They say this never happened, but it ended up with McIntyre. Then was dropped after about 4 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 14:21:42 GMT -5
I wonder what the JR/Vince beef is really about. JR seems to live/breathe/eat this biz at least as much as Vince does, so maybe it's a case of the company not being big enough for the two of them... Vince is probably bitter JR is a better announcer he was and ended up taking over vinces role as the voice of WWE Thats why Vince probably replaced JR with Cole because Cole is kinda like Announcer Vince 2.0
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Post by icemansiva on May 25, 2012 14:25:50 GMT -5
great read
agree with sheamus being next cena.
you can see them putting all the effort on him now.
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Post by Rican on May 25, 2012 14:27:21 GMT -5
I remember some story from years ago about JR wanting to spend more time closer to home and either turned down or quit some job he had to do it. Like around 03 or 04 (not the Talent Relations job, I think it had something to do with the DVD's or something). Since then Vince has seemed to just have it in for him.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 14:27:34 GMT -5
I wonder what the JR/Vince beef is really about. JR seems to live/breathe/eat this biz at least as much as Vince does, so maybe it's a case of the company not being big enough for the two of them... They both live and breathe the biz, but they come from two very different types of wrestling. Vince created sports entertainment and made wrestling a national product, and has a very northern perspective, whilst JR has always had a more southern perspective on wrestling. I believe Cornette has mentioned that Vince is always making fun of southern people (though I may be extrapolating/misremembering) and his problems with Russo and Heyman are indicative of a north/south divide. I think Vince has to know that JR is very talented and knows his stuff, otherwise he simply wouldn't have been lead annoucer and head of talent relations for so long. Its just that Vince sees JR as a target who won't respond to his juvenile sense of humour, and JR isn't willing to play the political game to get into his good books. They share the same passions but appear to be incredibly different people with different perspectives.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 14:30:53 GMT -5
After reading through the thread I think he's the real deal, apparantly he's been a poster on that board for a while and the week before Brodus Clay debuted as the funkasarus he posted that Brodus would come in as a dancing face and there's a video he posted of him stood behind Pat Patterson below the ramp at Survivor Series. Seems legit lurkerfaqs.com/posts/view/757990that plus the survivor series video and the fact that what hes saying sounds plausable is enough for me
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Post by trollrogue on May 25, 2012 15:06:42 GMT -5
I wonder what the JR/Vince beef is really about. JR seems to live/breathe/eat this biz at least as much as Vince does, so maybe it's a case of the company not being big enough for the two of them... They both live and breathe the biz, but they come from two very different types of wrestling. Vince created sports entertainment and made wrestling a national product, and has a very northern perspective, whilst JR has always had a more southern perspective on wrestling. I believe Cornette has mentioned that Vince is always making fun of southern people (though I may be extrapolating/misremembering) and his problems with Russo and Heyman are indicative of a north/south divide. I think Vince has to know that JR is very talented and knows his stuff, otherwise he simply wouldn't have been lead annoucer and head of talent relations for so long. Its just that Vince sees JR as a target who won't respond to his juvenile sense of humour, and JR isn't willing to play the political game to get into his good books. They share the same passions but appear to be incredibly different people with different perspectives. Great hypothesis, I think you nailed it on the head. Having the WWE headquartered in Stamford, CT of all places really drives home how much Vince is a product of the North. It also puts the WWF/WCW fued into a new perspective (WCW was headquartered in deep south Atlanta, GA) and kinda makes JR a residual remnant of the 'enemy' towards Vince's brand of sports-entertainment. Lately though, there have been traces of McMahon loosening his iron grip on the storylines like the very MMA-like Extreme Rules main event and allowing Punk/Bryan to have an oldschool slobberknocker (as JR would say) at Over the Limit. He seems to be listening more the IWC elements of the writer's room in some ways-- but then again the whole Big Show turn angle seems to have come directly from the 'top' and that's the current 'big storyline' so 1 step forward, 2 steps back I guess.
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Post by Red Impact on May 25, 2012 15:18:06 GMT -5
Why is everyone believing this guy is legit? alot of what he's saying is questionable The video he posted from the production booth helps, and the stuff he's saying isn't really that questionable. I've not seen anything that doesn't really jive with what former writers have said, except for opinions on certain people.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 25, 2012 15:18:57 GMT -5
Wasn't Vince born in the south?
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Post by trollrogue on May 25, 2012 15:22:34 GMT -5
He's posted a lot more, but it seems like he's getting worried that he'll be sued by the WWE since his posts are quickly becoming legendary with the IWC-- makes me feel even more that he's legit.
Unfortunately I have to quote him again (whoops!):
Great topic! Couple of questions:
1. How does the writing team deal with championships? Is it just a prop to write a story around or is there concern for title prestige, etc?
2. You mentioned Cody Rhodes going back to a standard heel persona after losing his mask. Is the fact that most of the roster these days is largely uniform (similar ring gear, similar personalities, etc.) by design or is it seen as a problem?
3. When a wrestler has an idea for his character or a storyline, does he pitch it to the writing team or Vince/someone else? Any notable examples of this from your time there?
1. Tough question. In kayfabe, the championships are the golden rings that everyone is fighting for, so they're the primary motivation for most feuds. However, I think "I want your belt" can only be so entertaining. "Personal issues" stories are more unique and varied so in this day and age I think they're just as important. Whether it's Awesome Truth claiming a conspiracy in the WWE, or Laurinaitis declaring war on wrestling as a whole and bringing in Brock Lesnar, or Kane wanting Cena to embrace the dark side, or Jericho and Punk fighting over the claim of who's truly best in the world -- things just get deeper and more interesting when it's about more than just the title.
2. It's not really by design, but we're in what's been called "the reality era" and there's some truth to that. The WWE wants its characters to be believable competitors these days, and not part-time plumbers or hog farmers or dentists or clowns or porn stars like days of old. So the gimmicks become more nuanced. Instead of "This guy is a pimp. This guy is dead and worships an urn. These guys saw Mad Max one too many times" you have a world where they're all just wrestlers, but with variations in personality. "This guy is an anti-hero that doesn't play well with others. This guy thinks he's God's gift to women. This guy is borderline schizophrenic. This guy is a goof from Italy. This guy is a goof from Long Island. But they're all wrestlers."
3. There's an email address I believe where the Superstars can send in their ideas and every week they're reviewed by the writing staff. There's usually very few of them and almost always from midcard or undercard guys. One that sticks out is it was David Otunga's idea to start doing the Law Offices of David Otunga commercial spots. That was a good idea that made it to TV.
#3 is awesome to know, it makes Twitter and facebook posts from fans all the more important. If anybody has a good idea to get Curt and Reks over more they should tweet them the idea and perhaps they'll email the writers, run it up the flagpole and it may actually find a way on WWE programming. The fact that 'very few' midcard guys ever take advantage of it (except for the arguably more intelligent guys like Otunga who a lot of people around here don't think deserves a push) seems like a waste of talent.
Swagger could be doing something a lot better than tagging along with Vickie and Dolph, for example, if he just sends the writers some dang ideas for his character.
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