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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 17:25:07 GMT -5
If we're going by critically and commercial, Marilyn Manson has to be least in the top 10.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 17:28:28 GMT -5
Nine Inch Nails = Year Zero. I love that album but Man is everything after that just bad. That's an incredible album, maybe Reznor's best from start to finish. I think Ghost was an album that had to be made and was strong. The Slip has some fantastic songs but, overall, it's forgettable. Are you including his scores with Atticus Ross in your assessment?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 17:28:46 GMT -5
It's how music works.
All bands "jump the shark."
We humans have only so many good ideas.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 8, 2012 17:40:18 GMT -5
I'm a little confused about this topic. Are we talking commercially or critically first of all, and are we marking the moment as the last "good" release or the first one that's perceived as a lesser quality effort? I took it as a time you as a person went from liking a band's work to disliking it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 17:43:15 GMT -5
It's how music works. All bands "jump the shark." We humans have only so many good ideas. Cream didn't. They broke up before they ran out of ideas. Their last performance was incredible and that was it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 17:44:53 GMT -5
It's how music works. All bands "jump the shark." We humans have only so many good ideas. Cream didn't. They broke up before they ran out of ideas. Their last performance was incredible and that was it. That's the alternative. If you don't fizzle out, it just means you've imploded.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 8, 2012 17:46:25 GMT -5
Chris Gaines
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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 8, 2012 17:49:53 GMT -5
I'm a little confused about this topic. Are we talking commercially or critically first of all, and are we marking the moment as the last "good" release or the first one that's perceived as a lesser quality effort? Commercially basically.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 17:51:52 GMT -5
the Chris Gaines album was actually really good for a straight-up pop record, and two singles did very well on the Billboard Hot 100.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 8, 2012 17:54:05 GMT -5
the Chris Gaines album was actually really good for a straight-up pop record, and two singles did very well on the Billboard Hot 100. But I don't know if people look at him the same after that.
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Post by GreyScaleLJH on Jul 8, 2012 18:01:49 GMT -5
When Prince changed his name to the symbol. Until that point Prince released top ten albums nearly every year and after the change it would be 11 years until it happened again.
Another moment could also be when he released his religious album "The Rainbow Children" in 2001. Music wise its nice, but the lyrics, imagery, and somewhat anti semitism ("Holocaust aside, many lived and died, but when all truth is told, would you rather be dead or be sold?") can certainly be done without.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jul 8, 2012 18:10:38 GMT -5
Even though people now love it, what about "Pinkerton" by Weezer? artistically, possibly(although Weezer(The Green Album) is still pretty decent). They still had some great songs and some big hits off later albums,too. Commercially, no, not at all. Their most popular albums have been post-Pinkerton. For instance: - Weezer(Blue)-16 on US Charts, 3x Plat. in US
- Pinkterton-19th on US Charts, Gold in US
- Weezer(Green)-4th on US charts, Platinum in US
- Maladroit-3rd on US Charts, Gold in US
- Make Believe-2nd on US Charts, Platiunum in US
- Weezer(Red)-4th on US Charts, no US certification
- Raditude-7th on US Charts, no US certification
- Hurley-6th on US Charts, no US certification
- Death to False Metal-48th on US charts, no certification
Now, one could make the argument that Make Believe was their "shark" moment and have a pretty good argument. But they enjoyed a TON of success post-Pinkerton. Quality-wise, they jumped for me as soon as 'Make Believe' was released. Their first 4 albums are awesome (including the severely-underrated 'Maladroit', which is one of my top albums of the '00s). 'Make Believe' sounds like a huge dip in quality. The only song I like from that album is 'Perfect Situation', and it sounds almost like 'Simple Pages'. I thought they were returning to form with 'Pork & Beans', but that was the only song I liked from The Red Album. In a last-ditch effort to see if they could be good again, I actually bought 'Raditude' without hearing it first. Except for 'I Want You To' and one or two other decent songs, the entire album is crap. I didn't even bother with 'Hurley'. I've lost faith in them completely and prefer to just enjoy their first 4 albums + 'Perfect Situation' and 'Pork & Beans'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 18:28:42 GMT -5
Eminem. Just to be clear, I'm not talking about commercial performance.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jul 8, 2012 18:38:07 GMT -5
KISS jumped the shark when they returned only a year after their "Farewell Tour" with Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer mimicking Ace Frehley and Peter Criss.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Jul 8, 2012 18:39:00 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one else has mentioned them. They always come up in these type of threads.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jul 8, 2012 18:47:10 GMT -5
If we're going by critically and commercial, Marilyn Manson has to be least in the top 10. This made me think of an article on The Onion several years ago about Marilyn Manson going door to door in an effort to shock and offend people, but no one cared.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jul 8, 2012 20:29:05 GMT -5
The Rolling Stones. I would consider them the greatest band of all time, but everything from Emotional Rescue on knocks them down to #2 in my mind behind Led Zeppelin.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jul 8, 2012 20:37:47 GMT -5
The Rolling Stones. I would consider them the greatest band of all time, but everything from Emotional Rescue on knocks them down to #2 in my mind behind Led Zeppelin. But Zeppelin plagairized a lot of stuff
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Post by juvijuiceisloose on Jul 8, 2012 20:40:23 GMT -5
When Prince changed his name to the symbol. Until that point Prince released top ten albums nearly every year and after the change it would be 11 years until it happened again. Another moment could also be when he released his religious album "The Rainbow Children" in 2001. Music wise its nice, but the lyrics, imagery, and somewhat anti semitism ("Holocaust aside, many lived and died, but when all truth is told, would you rather be dead or be sold?") can certainly be done without. I still think that album is one of his best. People either love it or hate it, there's not middle ground with that album. Even though he may have jumped the shark as far as the name change and writing slave on his cheek. He turned out to be absolutely right about record labels.
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Post by TuneinTokyo on Jul 8, 2012 21:05:57 GMT -5
The first year your band played a county fair, you jumped.
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