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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 8, 2012 10:30:55 GMT -5
This could be an interesting thread. By jumping the shark in this thread, of course I'm talking about when we look back on an artist's glory days. It's all subjective, but for argument's sake, I'd say someone like John Mellencamp, career wise and popularity wise jumped the shark in the early 90s. Maybe Wild Night in 1994 was his last relevant song(And a cover song at that). If MTV was around today they wouldn't play him, and I'm sure he's happy and doesn't care because he's doing his music, but let's face it, who wouldn't like a hit song and to be as popular as they were at their peak?
Maybe they don't want to be chased around like they were then and have their privacy, but it seems after a point, the times have passed them by, or they ran of of ideas.
I'm not talking about artists that get critical acclaim now,that doesn't mean anything in this case. I'm speaking of artists that could once fill arenas and now barely fill a club. That's jumping the shark in this case. They aren't the same anymore.
Often times it's when they go through a change in life. Starting a family, getting married, losing someone. Taking a long break.
I love Tom Petty, but to me, his career jumped the shark after Wildflowers. he's only gone gold since then. Does it matter? Well for this thread it does. Tom Petty can still fill arenas, which is good, but he's still not the force he was in the 70s and 80s
Thoughts?
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jul 8, 2012 11:04:42 GMT -5
Morbid Angel and Cryptopsy's last albums. time to give it up guys.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 8, 2012 11:08:07 GMT -5
Almost every concert I've ever been too includes this exact scene:
Yeah!!!! Now, some new stuff off our latest album!
*crowd boos*
If people boo because they have to listen to your new stuff, does this count?
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 8, 2012 11:12:40 GMT -5
Probably a little controversial but I thought 'The Wall' was Pink Floyd's version of jumping the shark.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 8, 2012 11:13:38 GMT -5
KoRn, post-Untouchables. They're still capable of making great individual songs, but those are spread thin amongst three or four albums packed with filler.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 11:13:40 GMT -5
the Who after Keith Moon died.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 8, 2012 11:23:19 GMT -5
I know he's dead, but when I saw James Brown performing "I Felt Good", I knew it was time to pack it up.
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Post by ibdude on Jul 8, 2012 11:34:07 GMT -5
I know he's dead, but when I saw James Brown performing "I Felt Good", I knew it was time to pack it up. Is that a typo? |
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Post by H-Virus on Jul 8, 2012 11:46:36 GMT -5
...Metallica?
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 8, 2012 11:51:16 GMT -5
I know he's dead, but when I saw James Brown performing "I Felt Good", I knew it was time to pack it up. Is that a typo? No sir, that's the joke. |
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Post by B'Cup x on Jul 8, 2012 11:56:55 GMT -5
Public Enemy after the mid nineties x
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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 8, 2012 11:59:58 GMT -5
Public Enemy after the mid nineties x Yea it's sad, last I heard they were turning to their fans to help pay for them to even be able to record an album |
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Post by WWHHHD on Jul 8, 2012 12:23:51 GMT -5
Morbid Angel and Cryptopsy's last albums. time to give it up guys. Anyone else say WHO? For these two? Van Halen without Sammy or David is the winner. |
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Jul 8, 2012 12:45:18 GMT -5
"Jump the Shark" is a tricky term to use if you are talking about once-popular music artists that now don't sell as much. Jumping the shark in a traditional sense means when they produced something awful then haven't really recovered since. Which is really tricky in music. adamafl had a good example with Pink Floyd, but only in the proper, artistic sense of the term. All of their albums released after were extremely popular in terms of sales, but certainly did not possess as much artistic integrity.
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Post by Todd's crazy , Man. on Jul 8, 2012 12:46:42 GMT -5
Nine Inch Nails = Year Zero. I love that album but Man is everything after that just bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 13:00:26 GMT -5
A lot of classical rock musicians are playing at casinos rather than arenas in my city. And Edmonton is one of Canadas biggest music cities.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Jul 8, 2012 14:08:54 GMT -5
Morbid Angel and Cryptopsy's last albums. time to give it up guys. Anyone else say WHO? For these two? Van Halen without Sammy or David is the winner. I guess you don't listen to Death Metal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 14:12:49 GMT -5
Even though people now love it, what about "Pinkerton" by Weezer?
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Post by The Line on Jul 8, 2012 14:29:09 GMT -5
Even though people now love it, what about "Pinkerton" by Weezer? artistically, possibly(although Weezer(The Green Album) is still pretty decent). They still had some great songs and some big hits off later albums,too. Commercially, no, not at all. Their most popular albums have been post-Pinkerton. For instance: - Weezer(Blue)-16 on US Charts, 3x Plat. in US
- Pinkterton-19th on US Charts, Gold in US
- Weezer(Green)-4th on US charts, Platinum in US
- Maladroit-3rd on US Charts, Gold in US
- Make Believe-2nd on US Charts, Platiunum in US
- Weezer(Red)-4th on US Charts, no US certification
- Raditude-7th on US Charts, no US certification
- Hurley-6th on US Charts, no US certification
- Death to False Metal-48th on US charts, no certification
Now, one could make the argument that Make Believe was their "shark" moment and have a pretty good argument. But they enjoyed a TON of success post-Pinkerton. |
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Post by The OP on Jul 8, 2012 17:19:13 GMT -5
I'm a little confused about this topic. Are we talking commercially or critically first of all, and are we marking the moment as the last "good" release or the first one that's perceived as a lesser quality effort?
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