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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Jul 15, 2012 22:28:59 GMT -5
Offspring. Everything up through Ixnay was excellent, but then they got obsessed with releasing novelty singles like Pretty Fly for a White Guy and Original Prankster and Hit That. They finally tried to go back to a somewhat more serious sound with Rise and Fall, but by then, a lot of the fanbase had abandoned them, and it was hard to get new fans. Excellent choice. The single off the new record is disasterously bad. I used to love that band, but man, what a downward slide. Wait, they didn't break up immediately after releasing Ixnay on the Hombre? That's not how I remember it...
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Post by The OP on Jul 15, 2012 23:08:07 GMT -5
In terms of quality, and I'd guess probably sales too, I'd say Elvis Presley once he started doing all those corny movies and they had contracts to do all the soundtracks. There were terms that contributed to the problem, like there always had to be a title track and so forth, even if that didn't lend itself to good songwriting. The early Sun rockabilly stuff is badass, as are the RCA singles, and then I guess his stuff started to get good again towards the end with songs like "In The Ghetto", "Turn Me Loose", and "Suspicious Minds" but by then the ride was just about over.
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Post by The OP on Jul 15, 2012 23:11:14 GMT -5
Actually, I'll mention the other Elvis too. It's great and all that he started doing all that stuff with orchestras and choirs and all kinds of grandeur but by far the most enjoyable works to listen to are the early pop records like "Get Happy" and "This Year's Model".
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Post by Danimal on Jul 16, 2012 1:14:29 GMT -5
It happens to each and every band at some point although diehard fans will not accept it. The longer a band exists the more likely they are to just f***ing grow old and fade out. There are bands who never jumped the shark, but they dissolved before they were able. In most cases it's the lead singer dying. And even then, Joy Division sort of jumped the shark when 19-year-old hipsters decided that they were HUUGE fans after watching Control. I just don't see how fading-out counts as jumping the shark. Acts run their course. Typically speaking if they want to stay together they end-up playing smaller venues and if they do anything new it sells less than when they were big. Jumping the shark is about doing something that makes people say WTF. The term wasn't coined just because Happy Days had faded, they did it because the show did something really dumb that signaled the fading.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 16, 2012 10:46:49 GMT -5
It happens to each and every band at some point although diehard fans will not accept it. The longer a band exists the more likely they are to just f***ing grow old and fade out. There are bands who never jumped the shark, but they dissolved before they were able. In most cases it's the lead singer dying. And even then, Joy Division sort of jumped the shark when 19-year-old hipsters decided that they were HUUGE fans after watching Control. I just don't see how fading-out counts as jumping the shark. Acts run their course. Typically speaking if they want to stay together they end-up playing smaller venues and if they do anything new it sells less than when they were big. Jumping the shark is about doing something that makes people say WTF. The term wasn't coined just because Happy Days had faded, they did it because the show did something really dumb that signaled the fading. In my mind it does. Like when they had the "Jump The Shark" website, people would pinpoint things or events that happened where a tv series went downhill. Most artists hit a peak and then something happens and they are playing fairs rather than filling the O2 arena. That's jumping to me
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jul 16, 2012 11:02:08 GMT -5
Another band I thought of...
Slayer - I love a lot of their albums and I know I may catch hell for it, but yeah. Their last couple of albums (in my opinion) were VERY mediocre and seemed to just be treading water. Plus, it's almost sad to see them playing things like the Mayhem tour. They're still legendary, but I think they would've been better off to hang it up years ago.
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Post by King Boo on Jul 16, 2012 11:13:44 GMT -5
I understand what people are saying about playing fairs as opposed to arenas and why they're saying it, but here's my thing.
Why should they stop playing just because they're not playing a huge arena any more? For starters, a lot of the times people at arena shows aren't even huge fans of the act. They're there because they like a couple songs or they're there for someone else who is a big fan. Second, personally speaking, I prefer seeing an act in a smaller venue. It's easier to see and hear and it's much more intimate of an experience. Third, just because they're not in the position to play a huge arena anymore doesn't mean a) there aren't still people out there who would love to see them perform and b) that they have now stopped liking performing for their fans just because they can't do it to 80,000 of them in on fell swoop. Maybe it doesn't matter to them how many people they're playing in front of or what type of place they're doing it. Maybe they just love doing it at all.
Lastly, and I realize I'm speaking in general terms here, but we live in a culture where people are sell-outs when they make it huge and then valueless when they "lose it all." There's something incredibly hypocritical in all that, I feel.
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Post by Hurbster on Jul 16, 2012 12:02:19 GMT -5
I loved Rush at one point, 2112 is still one of my favorite albums. Went out and bought Hemispheres, listened to it one time and threw the album in the trash. I haven't bought a Rush album since. Yeah, that's just you missing out on good music there. I would suggest you listen to some more, their last few albums (especially since Counterparts) have all been excellent. I think Rush can be used as as an example of kicking that damn shark in the face with every album release.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Jul 16, 2012 12:54:43 GMT -5
Another band I thought of... Slayer - I love a lot of their albums and I know I may catch hell for it, but yeah. Their last couple of albums (in my opinion) were VERY mediocre and seemed to just be treading water. Plus, it's almost sad to see them playing things like the Mayhem tour. They're still legendary, but I think they would've been better off to hang it up years ago. I thought World Painted Blood wasn't bad. I mean, it's no Reign in Blood or Seasons in the Abyss but it's definitely better than Christ Illusion.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jul 16, 2012 17:38:04 GMT -5
Another band I thought of... Slayer - I love a lot of their albums and I know I may catch hell for it, but yeah. Their last couple of albums (in my opinion) were VERY mediocre and seemed to just be treading water. Plus, it's almost sad to see them playing things like the Mayhem tour. They're still legendary, but I think they would've been better off to hang it up years ago. I thought World Painted Blood wasn't bad. I mean, it's no Reign in Blood or Seasons in the Abyss but it's definitely better than Christ Illusion. Ugh, Christ Illusion... I didn't think World Painted Blood was bad, for me, it just exists. I bought/listened to it all the way through and that was that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 17:49:03 GMT -5
I just don't see how fading-out counts as jumping the shark. Acts run their course. Typically speaking if they want to stay together they end-up playing smaller venues and if they do anything new it sells less than when they were big. Jumping the shark is about doing something that makes people say WTF. The term wasn't coined just because Happy Days had faded, they did it because the show did something really dumb that signaled the fading. In my mind it does. Like when they had the "Jump The Shark" website, people would pinpoint things or events that happened where a tv series went downhill. Most artists hit a peak and then something happens and they are playing fairs rather than filling the O2 arena. That's jumping to me Artists in their prime play fairs and festivals all the time though.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 16, 2012 18:35:57 GMT -5
Another band I thought of... Slayer - I love a lot of their albums and I know I may catch hell for it, but yeah. Their last couple of albums (in my opinion) were VERY mediocre and seemed to just be treading water. Plus, it's almost sad to see them playing things like the Mayhem tour. They're still legendary, but I think they would've been better off to hang it up years ago. you could actually say that about a lot of the 80s Thrash Metal bands, though Slayer stick out as being particularly boring these days. even moreso a lot of the early Death Metal bands. they're either making bad, uninteresting music (Morbid Angel, Cryptopsy) or they just make yet another paint-by-the-numbers album every year (Deicide, Kataklysm, Cannibal Corpse to a lesser extent, though at least the last 2 are still amazing live acts).
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 16, 2012 18:56:39 GMT -5
What about Live?
I know I haven't paid any attention to them since Secret Samadhi'.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Jul 16, 2012 19:05:37 GMT -5
What about Live? I know I haven't paid any attention to them since Secret Samadhi'. I don't think anyone in this country has paid attention to them since 1996.
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