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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 8, 2012 21:11:38 GMT -5
Eminem. Just to be clear, I'm not talking about commercial performance. I'd really like to hear more on this. It's funny when I see Youtube comments about Eminem's earlier stuff, saying he should go back to that sound. Ergh, no. Despite somewhat repetitive material (kicking drugs, being a parental figure), Eminem stylistically I don't think has been better than "Recovery." So I'm definitely interested to hear how he's jumped the shark.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 8, 2012 21:14:13 GMT -5
Eminem. Just to be clear, I'm not talking about commercial performance. I just can't get into SRS Eminem all that much. I miss Slim Shady.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 22:38:18 GMT -5
Eminem. Just to be clear, I'm not talking about commercial performance. I'd really like to hear more on this. It's funny when I see Youtube comments about Eminem's earlier stuff, saying he should go back to that sound. Ergh, no. Despite somewhat repetitive material (kicking drugs, being a parental figure), Eminem stylistically I don't think has been better than "Recovery." So I'm definitely interested to hear how he's jumped the shark. His music has gotten worse and worse since The Eminem Show. I thought Recovery was terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 0:07:40 GMT -5
I don't like to criticize Chris Cornell's solo stuff as much as others do, Soundgarden were his best days for sure but he had some fine solo songs as well.
But when 'Scream' came out. That was a huge what the f*** for me. Still is, I'm all for guys experimenting with new styles and trying different things but that came off as such a desperate grasp at the lowest common denominator and really tough to digest.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 9, 2012 0:20:43 GMT -5
I'm kind of half and half on modern day Eminem. He doesn't seem to have that edge that he used to have, but I can't say I miss him whining about his ex and his Mum.
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Post by rawthentic on Jul 9, 2012 0:35:18 GMT -5
If we're going by critically and commercial, Marilyn Manson has to be least in the top 10. This made me think of an article on The Onion several years ago about Marilyn Manson going door to door in an effort to shock and offend people, but no one cared. Kind of unfair since Manson's act has toned down considerably and has not gone out of his way to be shocking since the late 90's. Manson's problem is that he has failed to make a decent record since Holy Wood in 2000. Manson's shark jump came with Golden Age Of Grotesque. His only standout songs since Holy Wood have been cover songs(Personal Jesus, Tainted Love)
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Jul 9, 2012 7:17:38 GMT -5
I'm a minority on this, but to me, U2 jumped the shark with No Line on the Horizon. I know that the 360 tour was really successful, but I literally have no idea why so many people say they like NLOTH. All That You Can't Leave Behind was a nice album with some great songs, How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb (good God, their album titles have gotten wordy in the past decade) was a little pretentious and irritating, but enjoyable.
When I bought No Line and started listening to it...I had no reaction. Just, nothing. Besides the title track, the only song that was remotely memorable in a good way to me was "I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight." The only other song that I remembered was "Get On Your Boots," and that's only because I thought it sounded laughably tailor-made for a circa-2005 iPod commercial. Every other song on that album was totally forgettable to me, and full of the cliches that the band gets accused of, and that I no longer could deny.
It seems like I'm alone in this, since half of the people say they're still a good band, and the other half say that the band already jumped the shark long ago. But No Line was, to me, the first time I listened to them and decided "Yeah, these guys are running out of ideas."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 7:26:21 GMT -5
I'm a minority on this, but to me, U2 jumped the shark with No Line on the Horizon. I know that the 360 tour was really successful, but I literally have no idea why so many people say they like NLOTH. All That You Can't Leave Behind was a nice album with some great songs, How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb (good God, their album titles have gotten wordy in the past decade) was a little pretentious and irritating, but enjoyable. When I bought No Line and started listening to it...I had no reaction. Just, nothing. Besides the title track, the only song that was remotely memorable in a good way to me was "I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight." The only other song that I remembered was "Get On Your Boots," and that's only because I thought it sounded laughably tailor-made for a circa-2005 iPod commercial. Every other song on that album was totally forgettable to me, and full of the cliches that the band gets accused of, and that I no longer could deny. It seems like I'm alone in this, since half of the people say they're still a good band, and the other half say that the band already jumped the shark long ago. But No Line was, to me, the first time I listened to them and decided "Yeah, these guys are running out of ideas." NLOTH is a lot better than AYCLB and HTDAAB combined. Also, the songs on the album they played on the tour were much better than they came off on the album, Get on Your Boots especially.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 9, 2012 9:14:00 GMT -5
Gym Class Heroes making "The Papercut Chronicles 2."
The Quilt was bad, but not damning. This thing not only is a total let down, you used the name of an album that was truely new and exciting to sell this piece of crap.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 9, 2012 9:27:53 GMT -5
Probably a little controversial but I thought 'The Wall' was Pink Floyd's version of jumping the shark. That's not remotely controversial, the general opinion of most people when it comes to Floyd is that album was their last hurrah, then Rick got sicked, Roger went mental and quit and David and Nick made two shitty albums. I am not at all of that opinion though. The Final Cut is by far my favourite Floyd album.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 9, 2012 9:39:34 GMT -5
Weird Al - there are scattered good ones, like White and Nerdy and Perform this Way, but for the most part I think he just doesn't capture anywhere near the quality of his earlier work. I'm of the mind though that it is mostly because the music he parodies has taken such a dip in quality. One might say everything else jumped the shark.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 9, 2012 9:42:24 GMT -5
Weird Al - there are scattered good ones, like White and Nerdy and Perform this Way, but for the most part I think he just doesn't capture anywhere near the quality of his earlier work. I'm of the mind though that it is mostly because the music he parodies has taken such a dip in quality. One might say everything else jumped the shark. Agreed. he has to play off what's out there. I haven't bought an album since Running With Scissors. I'd like it if he went back and did older songs, like "Spider Man" to the tune of "Piano Man"
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Post by flatsdomino on Jul 9, 2012 9:48:24 GMT -5
Whenever I see bands I know open for the Jello-less Dead Kennedys when they come to NY, I just wonder what the f*** the point is anymore. It's a glorified tribute act.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 9, 2012 10:06:03 GMT -5
Definitely Public Enemy. I was listening to both "Bum Rush the Show" and "It Takes a Nation..." just the other day and was saddened by just how much they fell off the map.
And once Eminem started yelling instead of rapping he lost some appeal to me.
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Post by darthalexander on Jul 9, 2012 11:38:44 GMT -5
Not that it's one artist in particular but I've felt that the genre of country has jumped the shark.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 9, 2012 12:00:01 GMT -5
Probably a little controversial but I thought 'The Wall' was Pink Floyd's version of jumping the shark. That's not remotely controversial, the general opinion of most people when it comes to Floyd is that album was their last hurrah, then Rick got sicked, Roger went mental and quit and David and Nick made two s***ty albums. I am not at all of that opinion though. The Final Cut is by far my favourite Floyd album. DSoTM is mine. The reason I said controversial is The Wall was a massive commercial hit and every Floyd fan I know (personally) loves that album. I presumed that was the popular opinion everywhere.
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Post by h on Jul 9, 2012 12:10:54 GMT -5
How about Smashing Pumpkins? Where would people pinpoint their jump?
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Post by Ass Dan on Jul 9, 2012 12:12:21 GMT -5
How about Smashing Pumpkins? Where would people pinpoint their jump? Adore.
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Post by saneiac on Jul 9, 2012 12:17:26 GMT -5
This could be an interesting thread. By jumping the shark in this thread, of course I'm talking about when we look back on an artist's glory days. It's all subjective, but for argument's sake, I'd say someone like John Mellencamp, career wise and popularity wise jumped the shark in the early 90s. Maybe Wild Night in 1994 was his last relevant song(And a cover song at that). If MTV was around today they wouldn't play him, and I'm sure he's happy and doesn't care because he's doing his music, but let's face it, who wouldn't like a hit song and to be as popular as they were at their peak? Maybe they don't want to be chased around like they were then and have their privacy, but it seems after a point, the times have passed them by, or they ran of of ideas. John Mellencamp is an odd choice to use as an example, since his "This is Our Country" song was used in the early 200s by Chevy truck commercials during NFL games, and was mocked on sports websites as being the most obnoxiously overplayed song on TV every year for about 6 years straight. Maybe he wasn't as popular, but having the most played song on TV can't be bad for an artist. My answer to the topic: Queensryche. Rage for Order, Operation: Mindcrime, Empire, and to a lesser extent, Promised Land were all spectacular. After that, it was like they fell off a cliff. I can count the number of memorable songs off their next seven studio albums on one hand, with fingers left over.
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Post by BJ Sturgeon on Jul 9, 2012 13:10:23 GMT -5
Weird Al - there are scattered good ones, like White and Nerdy and Perform this Way, but for the most part I think he just doesn't capture anywhere near the quality of his earlier work. I'm of the mind though that it is mostly because the music he parodies has taken such a dip in quality. One might say everything else jumped the shark. Really? I think that the further back one goes in his discography the worse his albums have aged. I prefer his style parodies and originals over his parodies most of the time though, and think those are getting better on every album.
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