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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 9, 2012 13:40:10 GMT -5
Weird Al - there are scattered good ones, like White and Nerdy and Perform this Way, but for the most part I think he just doesn't capture anywhere near the quality of his earlier work. I'm of the mind though that it is mostly because the music he parodies has taken such a dip in quality. One might say everything else jumped the shark. Really? I think that the further back one goes in his discography the worse his albums have aged. I prefer his style parodies and originals over his parodies most of the time though, and think those are getting better on every album. Commercially, he had one of his biggest hits with White & Nerdy, so if anything that was a comeback for him
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 9, 2012 13:44:29 GMT -5
Weird Al - there are scattered good ones, like White and Nerdy and Perform this Way, but for the most part I think he just doesn't capture anywhere near the quality of his earlier work. I'm of the mind though that it is mostly because the music he parodies has taken such a dip in quality. One might say everything else jumped the shark. His originals are still excellent though. CNR, Skipper Dan, and Ringtone are all excellent, and the best song off Straight Outta Lynwood IMO was Virus Alert. The problem with his parodies is that pop is nowherre near as diverse as it was in the 80s and 90s, as everything is now rap or dance-oriented, which is already pretty vapid (for the most part) anyway. I wonder if he could put out an album of all originals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 15:40:14 GMT -5
Weird Al - there are scattered good ones, like White and Nerdy and Perform this Way, but for the most part I think he just doesn't capture anywhere near the quality of his earlier work. I'm of the mind though that it is mostly because the music he parodies has taken such a dip in quality. One might say everything else jumped the shark. His originals are still excellent though. CNR, Skipper Dan, and Ringtone are all excellent, and the best song off Straight Outta Lynwood IMO was Virus Alert. The problem with his parodies is that pop is nowherre near as diverse as it was in the 80s and 90s, as everything is now rap or dance-oriented, which is already pretty vapid (for the most part) anyway. I wonder if he could put out an album of all originals. Yeah that little yodeling bridge in Virus Alert is a highlight of that album for me.
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Post by Dat Dude on Jul 9, 2012 17:12:34 GMT -5
Janet Jackson after she ditched Jimmy Jam and Terry lewis for more "contemporary" producers. As much damage the superbowl incident did to her career, if albums like Damita Jo and later albums weren't garbage she would've recovered better.
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Post by RedSmile on Jul 9, 2012 17:24:23 GMT -5
Morbid Angel and Cryptopsy's last albums. time to give it up guys. I agree with Cryptopsy. Changing lead singer has been a disaster, that has alienated much of their fanbase, if not all of it. I disagree with Morbid Angel. The high quality of their back catalogue is way too good, they will get another chance and people will still attend their shows. I will throw in Sepultura. A thrash band that was at one time mentioned in the same breath as Megadeth and Slayer. The loss of Max Cavalera and a complete abandonment of the classic sound, has caused their value to drop considerably. I will also toss in Guns & Roses. Actually just Axl Rose, and his drama queen act, in particular. Ozzy is dangerously close. MTV reality show that was painful, embarassing himself in dumb commercials, and doing publicity stunts at Wrigley Field. Dude became a total shill and a sellout. Furthermore his recent music is forgettable, and Ozzfest has spiraled in quality. The rumors of the Black Sabbath reunion has saved him temporarily.
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Post by RedSmile on Jul 9, 2012 17:29:34 GMT -5
This made me think of an article on The Onion several years ago about Marilyn Manson going door to door in an effort to shock and offend people, but no one cared. Kind of unfair since Manson's act has toned down considerably and has not gone out of his way to be shocking since the late 90's. Manson's problem is that he has failed to make a decent record since Holy Wood in 2000. Manson's shark jump came with Golden Age Of Grotesque. His only standout songs since Holy Wood have been cover songs(Personal Jesus, Tainted Love) Manson's shark was when he thought he needed boobs. He went from pissing off parents, to being bizarre to everyone.
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Post by Todd's crazy , Man. on Jul 9, 2012 17:54:13 GMT -5
Nine Inch Nails = Year Zero. I love that album but Man is everything after that just bad. That's an incredible album, maybe Reznor's best from start to finish. I think Ghost was an album that had to be made and was strong. The Slip has some fantastic songs but, overall, it's forgettable. Are you including his scores with Atticus Ross in your assessment? It is no way his best. Reznor's greatest talent is his lyrics and their complexity.I love Reznor and think he's one of the most talented musicians of all time but without his deeply meaningful lyrics his work is mediocre at best. Ghost IV is the equivalent of Hendrix without his Guitar or Billie Joel without his piano.
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Post by saneiac on Jul 9, 2012 19:05:33 GMT -5
Weird Al - there are scattered good ones, like White and Nerdy and Perform this Way, but for the most part I think he just doesn't capture anywhere near the quality of his earlier work. I'm of the mind though that it is mostly because the music he parodies has taken such a dip in quality. One might say everything else jumped the shark. His originals are still excellent though. CNR, Skipper Dan, and Ringtone are all excellent, and the best song off Straight Outta Lynwood IMO was Virus Alert. The problem with his parodies is that pop is nowherre near as diverse as it was in the 80s and 90s, as everything is now rap or dance-oriented, which is already pretty vapid (for the most part) anyway. I wonder if he could put out an album of all originals. I think the problem is definitely the material he's parodying more than Al himself. Straight Outta Lynwood has some of my favorite Al songs ever (I'll Sue Ya is pure awesome), plus two duds: the Usher parody Confessions Part 3, and Do I Creep You Out. A Taylor Hicks parody? Seriously??? I bet even Al wishes he could take that one back. The thing is, the state of pop music right now is there are no superstars left he can parody. On his older albums, he had Michael Jackson, Madonna, Queen, REM, the Police, and so on. While there have always been some questionable artists covered (Tone Loc?), there were a lot of long-lasting, proven acts to work with. These days, Lady Gaga is the closest thing, and then he's stuck with completely forgettable tripe like TI and Nelly and Avril Lavigne.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Jul 9, 2012 19:28:57 GMT -5
Morbid Angel and Cryptopsy's last albums. time to give it up guys. I disagree with Morbid Angel. The high quality of their back catalogue is way too good, they will get another chance and people will still attend their shows. I will throw in Sepultura. A thrash band that was at one time mentioned in the same breath as Megadeth and Slayer. The loss of Max Cavalera and a complete abandonment of the classic sound, has caused their value to drop considerably. I agree completely. Those first 4 Morbid Angel Albums (Altars of Madness - Domination)are masterpieces (imo) of the genre. I listen to those albums in their entirety all the time. The stuff post Domination was still pretty good, but wasn't the same and yeah, that last album was atrocious. As for Sepultura, I always felt that they were really underrated in terms of the big thrash bands of the 80s. Their riffs were sharper and more precise than Megadeth's or even Metallica's to a certain extent. Once Max left, though, they were done. You could argue that they jumped the shark with Chaos A.D., but I like that album. Roots, however, I did not like.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 9, 2012 20:26:33 GMT -5
Morbid Angel and Cryptopsy's last albums. time to give it up guys. I agree with Cryptopsy. Changing lead singer has been a disaster, that has alienated much of their fanbase, if not all of it. the sad thing is, it's not even the singer's fault (though I saw them once since he joined the band and his version of the classics is HORRIFIC- thank god Origin also played or it would have been a waste of 20 bucks). Flo Mournier's said in several interviews that the band's musical direction goes entirely through him (why else do you think Eric and Alex quit? Alex in particular sounded really pissed when he announced he was leaving, and at the afforementioned show he was totally going through the motions). Flo wants to be some kind of free jazz/poor man's My Dying Bride, which would be fine for him to do as a side project, but cramming those elements into the last Cryptopsy album made for a terrible mess. it's like he tried doing the music that he wants, but also tried placating the longtime fans, so the album sounded like some mish-mosh of poor goth metal mixed with VERY poor Despised Icon ripoffs. it's like he wants to do something else but doesn't have enough faith in it to give it a different title and wants to coast on the Cryptopsy name.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 20:27:26 GMT -5
Jason Mraz - Waiting for My Rocket to Come
His Best Album, Then The Followup Mr. A-Z was Decent at best....then his last 2 albums have just been meh with I'm Yours being over rated and I Won't Give Up overplayed (Even though the song I do respect)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 20:34:20 GMT -5
Gym Class Heroes making "The Papercut Chronicles 2." The Quilt was bad, but not damning. This thing not only is a total let down, you used the name of an album that was truely new and exciting to sell this piece of crap. Travie Mccoy's Solo Album < The Quilt < Papercut Chronicles 2
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Post by Dang! on Jul 9, 2012 20:49:14 GMT -5
It happens to each and every band at some point although diehard fans will not accept it. The longer a band exists the more likely they are to just f***ing grow old and fade out. There are bands who never jumped the shark, but they dissolved before they were able. In most cases it's the lead singer dying. And even then, Joy Division sort of jumped the shark when 19-year-old hipsters decided that they were HUUGE fans after watching Control.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 9, 2012 21:42:00 GMT -5
Gym Class Heroes making "The Papercut Chronicles 2." The Quilt was bad, but not damning. This thing not only is a total let down, you used the name of an album that was truely new and exciting to sell this piece of crap. Travie Mccoy's Solo Album < The Quilt < Papercut Chronicles 2 I actually do agree with you in a way, but the Quilt felt less forced.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jul 9, 2012 22:55:44 GMT -5
It's hard to say sometimes because I grew out of almost everything I listened to as a kid, but I remember really losing interest in Korn after their hiatus between Issues and Untouchables. Jon got vocal lessons that totally ruined his singing style, and the lyrics - which were never good anyway - were at times hysterically bad. I lost count of how many times he said "blame" and "hate". It was just silly stuff. I actually liked Untouchables at the time, but the rift began there and as soon as they tried to go back to their roots with 'Mirror, acting like they were above releasing radio singles when half their material was just that, I knew it was time to let go. Stopped getting their albums after that weird purple one. I still like some stuff off of Issues and their self-titled album - both of those felt so raw and were full of real emotion. Last time I heard them they were doing the dubstep thing.
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Post by Mr. Self-Destruct on Jul 9, 2012 23:07:15 GMT -5
That's an incredible album, maybe Reznor's best from start to finish. I think Ghost was an album that had to be made and was strong. The Slip has some fantastic songs but, overall, it's forgettable. Are you including his scores with Atticus Ross in your assessment? It is no way his best. Reznor's greatest talent is his lyrics and their complexity.I love Reznor and think he's one of the most talented musicians of all time but without his deeply meaningful lyrics his work is mediocre at best. Ghost IV is the equivalent of Hendrix without his Guitar or Billie Joel without his piano. Well it's not as though Ghosts was meant to be a true album. It was basically a lot of unreleased samples, and for what it is, it's not bad. It's true though that Reznor's best asset is his lyrical ability, but he's no slouch with his music being deep as well. Not to mention he's an Oscar winner without lyrics
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 23:09:24 GMT -5
That's an incredible album, maybe Reznor's best from start to finish. I think Ghost was an album that had to be made and was strong. The Slip has some fantastic songs but, overall, it's forgettable. Are you including his scores with Atticus Ross in your assessment? It is no way his best. Reznor's greatest talent is his lyrics and their complexity.I love Reznor and think he's one of the most talented musicians of all time but without his deeply meaningful lyrics his work is mediocre at best. Ghost IV is the equivalent of Hendrix without his Guitar or Billie Joel without his piano. I said I thought Year Zero might be his best was in response to your: "Nine Inch Nails = Year Zero. I love that album but Man is everything after that just bad."
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Post by Mr. Self-Destruct on Jul 9, 2012 23:22:27 GMT -5
It is no way his best. Reznor's greatest talent is his lyrics and their complexity.I love Reznor and think he's one of the most talented musicians of all time but without his deeply meaningful lyrics his work is mediocre at best. Ghost IV is the equivalent of Hendrix without his Guitar or Billie Joel without his piano. I said I thought Year Zero might be his best was in response to your: "Nine Inch Nails = Year Zero. I love that album but Man is everything after that just bad." I prefer The Downward Spiral, The Fragile, and With Teeth over Year Zero. If I HAD to choose my favorite...I'd say With Teeth, only because it holds a lot of sentimental value, as it came out towards the end of my deployment to Iraq and sort of became the "Soundtrack" to that time in my life. Much like the "And All That Could Have Been" tracks were the first parts soundtrack.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 1:20:08 GMT -5
I said I thought Year Zero might be his best was in response to your: "Nine Inch Nails = Year Zero. I love that album but Man is everything after that just bad." I prefer The Downward Spiral, The Fragile, and With Teeth over Year Zero. If I HAD to choose my favorite...I'd say With Teeth, only because it holds a lot of sentimental value, as it came out towards the end of my deployment to Iraq and sort of became the "Soundtrack" to that time in my life. Much like the "And All That Could Have Been" tracks were the first parts soundtrack. For me, "The Fragile" has too much filler, "With Teeth" doesn't have a unifying theme, and "the Downward Spiral" ages a bit. I prefer "Year Zero" because I love the world building, the straightforwardness of some of the songs, and it feels like a more well rounded album. However, I'm a massive fan, saw them in concert during "The Fragility" tour, and love all of Reznor's albums.
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Post by sludgehammer on Jul 10, 2012 2:27:00 GMT -5
How about Smashing Pumpkins? Where would people pinpoint their jump? Oceania is actually a really good album, a return to form almost. As close to an "un-jump" as you can get
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