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Post by 543Y2J on May 5, 2013 11:10:47 GMT -5
While not a technical wizard, Punk did have to tone down his style a lot when he came to WWE. He wasn't a "spot monkey" but he wasn't exactly cautious in the ring either. There are some moves that I don't understand why he didn't bring over, his shining wizard was great and would be an awesome secondary finisher/signature move for him. It's not like it is an unsafe move but back on topic...
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on May 5, 2013 11:11:28 GMT -5
I think he's alright, I'm just not really blown away by anything he does.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 5, 2013 11:13:45 GMT -5
Someone PLEASE explain to me what is impressive about Roman Reigns. Dean Ambrose is the charisma, Seth Rollins is the wrestling, what the f*** is Reigns supposed to be other than a lame growl? Reigns is the power.
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Post by Savage Gambino on May 5, 2013 11:32:33 GMT -5
Someone PLEASE explain to me what is impressive about Roman Reigns. Dean Ambrose is the charisma, Seth Rollins is the wrestling, what the f*** is Reigns supposed to be other than a lame growl? If Dean Ambrose is suffering from overhype, then I think one could make the argument that Roman Reigns actually benefited from, I guess, underhype. The night The Shield debuted, there were threads actually saying Roman would be "the Manu", the useless one that gets overshadowed and eventually just canned. Then you actually see him in action and he's this entertaining powerhouse almost like Evolution-era Batista, and quite frankly, he's just fun to watch. Meanwhile, Dean Ambrose had been set up to unseat CM Punk as wrestling Jesus roughly since he was signed, and much of that was hyperbole and just the fun of the meme, but he just hasn't lived up to the hype. But who could live up to that kind of hype?
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Post by Texas Tornado on May 5, 2013 11:54:49 GMT -5
Why does there have to be a thread every week about which member of the shield is the worst of the group? It's weird how they've given us a group that has been consistently booked as equal and people are still trying to find holes in it.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 11:59:11 GMT -5
Someone PLEASE explain to me what is impressive about Roman Reigns. Dean Ambrose is the charisma, Seth Rollins is the wrestling, what the f*** is Reigns supposed to be other than a lame growl? Reigns is the power. Reigns isn't even that powerful. He's in good shape but he's only marginally bigger than Ambrose and Rollins.
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Post by Savage Gambino on May 5, 2013 12:21:37 GMT -5
Why does there have to be a thread every week about which member of the shield is the worst of the group? It's weird how they've given us a group that has been consistently booked as equal and people are still trying to find holes in it. I think one big effect WWE programming has had on fans as a whole is that we're always out to find the weak link, the "Janetty". It's the same reason we can barely enjoy a tag-team without thinking about what will happen after the break-up.
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Post by Gimpo Commando on May 5, 2013 12:25:15 GMT -5
It's the same reason we can barely enjoy a tag-team without thinking about what will happen after the break-up. I wonder if tag teams can stay together longer if they can somehow manage to evolve as a group the way singles stars evolve, instead of just slowly falling apart or the clean break. The tag teams I remember never really changed, they would just swap members, break into factions, or just remained the same gimmick for years.
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Post by Digital Witness on May 5, 2013 12:25:57 GMT -5
I hope that by the end of the year, the shield has ran it's course, and Ambrose, Rollins and Reigns part ways so that they can go on to become the singles stars that they should be. I think Ambrose is the next big main event heel that will have any kind of staying power (ie. Triple H, Edge), Rollins has the potential to reach Jeff Hardy like heights and beyond. I see Reigns getting a main event push, but I don't see him being any more successful that Sheamus or Del Rio in the long run.
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Post by mrjl on May 5, 2013 12:28:53 GMT -5
Why does there have to be a thread every week about which member of the shield is the worst of the group? It's weird how they've given us a group that has been consistently booked as equal and people are still trying to find holes in it. I think one big effect WWE programming has had on fans as a whole is that we're always out to find the weak link, the "Janetty". It's the same reason we can barely enjoy a tag-team without thinking about what will happen after the break-up. I'm just wondering if I'm being to hard on the guy because I'm not a big indies fan
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Post by Digital Witness on May 5, 2013 12:45:06 GMT -5
I think one big effect WWE programming has had on fans as a whole is that we're always out to find the weak link, the "Janetty". It's the same reason we can barely enjoy a tag-team without thinking about what will happen after the break-up. I'm just wondering if I'm being to hard on the guy because I'm not a big indies fan Could be. You don't have to be a fan of indie wrestling though to respect the fact that someone's busted their ass to make a name for themselves outside of the wrestling company you watch. Those of us that do pay attention to indie wrestling know what some of these guys are capable of in a non-restricted environment and the potential they bring with them. It doesn't always mean that they'll translate their success on the indies to the big leagues. But there's something there, or else WWE would have never hired the guys in the first place. Most of the hype you read isn't even really hype. People are just excited to see that guy that's busted their ass on the indies to get their big break.
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Post by cool guy on May 5, 2013 12:56:53 GMT -5
Ambrose is probably my favorite member of The Shield, though Rollins is quickly growing on me with his crazy jumping knee offense.
But anyway, isn't Dean about the same age as Punk when he first debuted on WWE TV? We all saw how it took Punk a few years to really acclimate to how things worked in the WWE, and I'd say Dean has already gotten off to a better start he did, so I think there's tons of potential in the guy.
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Post by Hawk Hart on May 5, 2013 13:03:20 GMT -5
That's what happens when you're exposed outside of the confines of a 2 minute YouTube video of a bad Heath Ledger imitation and overuse of cuss words. A very average looking guy with a average-decent promo delivery. He was never going to live up to the ridiculous hyperbole Internet fans piled on him. Is that your only exposure to him because I can't fathom someone that's seen most of his indy stuff that's not that overused clip holding that opinion.
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Post by A damn road sign on May 5, 2013 13:08:07 GMT -5
That's what happens when you're exposed outside of the confines of a 2 minute YouTube video of a bad Heath Ledger imitation and overuse of cuss words. A very average looking guy with a average-decent promo delivery. He was never going to live up to the ridiculous hyperbole Internet fans piled on him. Is that your only exposure to him because I can't fathom someone that's seen most of his indy stuff that's not that overused clip holding that opinion. Not seen a great deal admittedly, it's just whenever people tend to gush over Ambrose they seem to always link to the same few grainy promos of him covered in blood and screaming as examples of his alleged greatness. If there's anything else out there that may make me see the light, please direct me.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 5, 2013 13:08:50 GMT -5
I really enjoy him, and I never saw anything he did on the indies. I just happen to love his promo delivery and the way he carries himself. He stands out.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 13:12:54 GMT -5
Ambrose is the best at promoting himself...and that's pro wrestling, so he's best at it. Reigns is the least impressive in terms of skill set, but has awesome presence, definitely not any kind of weak link. Rollins helps carry the mic work with Ambrose and his selling is phenomenal, so he's in the middle.
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Post by Capt. Internet Darling on May 5, 2013 13:13:22 GMT -5
People who say Dean Ambrose isn't charismatic are blind.
Also, he doesn't overact/try too hard - I believe the rest of the roster just under-act.
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Post by Hawk Hart on May 5, 2013 13:15:37 GMT -5
Is that your only exposure to him because I can't fathom someone that's seen most of his indy stuff that's not that overused clip holding that opinion. Not seen a great deal admittedly, it's just whenever people tend to gush over Ambrose they seem to always link to the same few grainy promos of him covered in blood and screaming as examples of his alleged greatness. If there's anything else out there that may make me see the light, please direct me. Your results my vary but here's a few different promos with some match segments on a few but you can see he has a nice range as far as delivery and style go. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZO37Mh9aOk (Starts about 1:20) www.youtube.com/watch?v=2csp_5kC4ik (Slight language warning) www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLcneAyWCsgwww.youtube.com/watch?v=GRm-2loMupM (vs Seth Rollins from FCW)
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Post by Gimpo Commando on May 5, 2013 13:26:22 GMT -5
I like the promo he did on Team Chikara, where he talks about one of the members getting punched. I forget who it was who said when you hear some of the wrestlers talk tough, you can tell the difference between a person who got his lines from a writer and someone who knows what a person says when they're in a fight, but that promo at the end of it was something someone prepping to fight would say and the way they'd probably say it. It's not Heath Ledger-y either, it's just after school type nonsense that's fun to watch.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 5, 2013 13:29:13 GMT -5
There is no disappointing member in the group. In the Shield, you could see why these were on the top of the list of FCW wrestlers to be called up. The only reason you could really in my mind, say that Ambrose is the least impressive is that he was hyped just right and the other two were more underrated, yet have greatly transitioned into the WWE just as well.
This really is the perfect type of stable where each guy has a role and if there are weaknesses, the other two can more than cover those.
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