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Post by froggyfrog on May 5, 2013 13:32:24 GMT -5
Someone PLEASE explain to me what is impressive about Roman Reigns. Dean Ambrose is the charisma, Seth Rollins is the wrestling, what the f*** is Reigns supposed to be other than a lame growl? Reigns is the muscle. Reigns is the presence
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 14:35:05 GMT -5
Someone PLEASE explain to me what is impressive about Roman Reigns. Dean Ambrose is the charisma, Seth Rollins is the wrestling, what the f*** is Reigns supposed to be other than a lame growl? Reigns is the muscle. Reigns is the presence He just looks and sounds like a bad, bad man. And he can move pretty well. In this context, that's all he needs. I think he's shown the least in terms of existing outside of the Shield, and he's also much less experienced than the other two.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on May 5, 2013 14:42:22 GMT -5
RAW/Smackdown Ambrose is pretty decent. NXT Ambrose reminds me of that one time Orton went full-retard after he hit the RKO...only it's an entire match of that.
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Post by mizerable on May 5, 2013 14:42:47 GMT -5
Easily the least impressive of the 3.
There comes a point in making your promos sound believable and cross over into over the top.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 14:48:20 GMT -5
I really don't get a lot of people.
The thing with the Shield is that all 3 members have started to become accustomed to the WWE now that they've been on camera for some months. What people don't get is why Reigns and Rollins have improved their mic work and personalities on camera far more compared to Dean. Why? It's the fact that Dean didn't need it. Since he first appeared he's always seemed comfortable compared to the other two. That's one thing that separates him from the other two and one thing that gets used when they compare him to Piper and Roberts. Dean becomes his character. He is his character. The reason he isn't as "impressive" is the fact that not only hasn't he really improved (again he doesn't need it) but that kind of character he needs to do more of a personal role rather than a group role. He needs to get out and do his own feuds, he needs more mic time about him and how he is, he needs more match time. He needs to show off "his character" rather than "his group". That's the thing with the Shield. They're a group and while they're all unique it's solely about the group more than anything. They can only do so much with their characters in the group until they break off and show more about what they can do outside of the group. That's what Dean needs. We won't be seeing his true potential until the WWE says "Ok Dean, we'll put you in this feud so go do that and show us who Dean is" rather than say "Ok, you're 'this' guy in the Shield, let's show them what 'this guy' can do". We've seen a little bit of who he is through promos and some matches but it's not the full spectrum. It's a completely different story.
Another thing factor in the type of character Dean is compared to the others. Rollins has a flashy move set and given his promos you can tell what kind of guy he is. He's extreme, punk rock-ish, speedy, he's just that guy. Reigns is the silent but monstrous type of guy. He's quiet but then he explodes. His moveset is powerful, he yells, the fact he was a football player works well. Dean on the other hand is neither but he's a speedier wrestler than Reigns and more of a power wrestler than Rollins so a mix but what he also uses more in his matches is psychology. Check out his FCW matches and you'll see that. His mannerisms, styles of moves, actions, that's the kind of guy Dean Ambrose is and right now we haven't seen that in his matches much because well, we just haven't had the time to see that. When it's all said and done we'll see it and Dean's true potential will be shown. I see people saying he's "over the top" when really that's the kind of character he portrays. Character-wise he's the most natural and unlike Rollins he doesn't sound like he's reading off a script.
People just didn't know what to expect and assumed he'd be "S Class" right out the park without knowing the type of character he was and not really understanding how that kind of character works.
Finally when it's all said and done I see the members of the Shield being these types of characters:
Rollins - Main Event babyface up to Jeff Hardy levels. He'll be that popular and he'll be "that guy". He has potential to take over Cena if it all works out well. He'll be in main event feuds until he ends. Great wrestler, by then his mic skills will be pretty good. He'll be great. Reigns - Main Event babyface/heel. He'll switch depending on the situation. Batista 2.0 through and through no doubt about it. Main Eventing constantly. Batista and Edge works well on how he'll be. Dean Ambrose - Main Event heel. Dean's a true heel and I can see him being the #1 heel when it's all said and done, easily. He has the "it" factor. He'll have Triple H Attitude Era heel hate but eventually the fans will turn him face, he'll eventually turn back heel but he'll transition a lot but mostly heel. THE heel.
That's how it is with the Shield. They'll all work out well when it's all said and done.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 14:52:56 GMT -5
Someone PLEASE explain to me what is impressive about Roman Reigns. Dean Ambrose is the charisma, Seth Rollins is the wrestling, what the f*** is Reigns supposed to be other than a lame growl? Reigns is the muscle. Reigns is the presence As I said though, he's not even that muscular. He's only a bit bigger than Ambrose and Rollins.
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Post by MichaelMartini on May 5, 2013 15:38:46 GMT -5
I find all three members of the Shield boring.
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Post by celticjobber on May 5, 2013 15:51:14 GMT -5
Dean has impressed me more than anyone to debut in WWE since CM Punk. But all three guys in the Shield are great. I just hope WWE doesn't drop the ball with them.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 15:54:56 GMT -5
His promos with The Shield to me, look like a good rehearsal. He has a sloppy way of talking to the camera and I wouldn't really worry about it if Roman Reigns hadn't stepped up his game at talking with the mic. But yes, with Rollins being the quickness of the group and Reigns being the power of the group Ambrose seems a bit lost. He's the least impressive out of the trio for sure, but he's sure the most spectacular at selling.
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Post by bearned on May 5, 2013 15:59:05 GMT -5
I hadn't seen a lot of Ambrose before the shield and I have to say I have been impressed. He has a unique style in the ring and he can deliver excellent promos. It's very old school and I like that. I know his delivery is a bit hammy but it adds to the weirdness IMO.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 5, 2013 16:00:04 GMT -5
Reigns is the muscle. Reigns is the presence As I said though, he's not even that muscular. He's only a bit bigger than Ambrose and Rollins. Yeah, but you can't look at the guy and say he is not intimidating. He's muscular enough that you can buy him to be a powerhouse. Remember, Roman Reigns was named first-team All-ACC as a defensive tackle.
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Post by DIIV on May 5, 2013 16:09:32 GMT -5
Was Ambrose really that hyped up pre-WWE? I remember watching him at a few Dragon Gate USA shows and not being too impressed by his in-ring ability. I never cared to follow him anywhere beyond that but I don't remember seeing people going nuts for him when he was on the indies.
Needless to say, I've been quite impressed with his run in WWE thus far. I think he's doing a great job, there's very little for me to dislike about the guy.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 5, 2013 16:10:42 GMT -5
Listen.
It is stupid and nonsensical to dislike someone just because a lot of other people say they like him. Some people in this thread are just openly admitting they dislike the guy because others get excited about him and mentioned it. That is not something to be proud of. It is a stupid reason for an opinion.
Certainly, some people seem to have valid reasons for not finding him exciting (though, like many have mentioned, saying his not charismatic is bewildering to me), but acting like "everyone who liked what they saw of him before was a sheep, and I'm the smart one who realizes the emperor has no clothes" is just asinine.
I find Reigns the most awkward, because they're simultaneously putting in implications that he's the awesomest and the baddest, but also trying to sell the group as this well-oiled machine of equals. It gets kind of confusing.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on May 5, 2013 16:11:35 GMT -5
Dean's in-ring mannerisms from his FCW days annoyed me. The wierd fingers and ticks made me feel like I was watching Bob Backlund and Eugene's love child. It was just strange.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 5, 2013 16:13:38 GMT -5
Are you calling him the Ringo Starr of the Shield??? How dare you, sir!!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 16:17:16 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose is the most impressive in The Shield to me at the moment.
He is one of the best actors in the WWE at the moment, his facial expressions are gold.
And he has a unique promo style
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Post by Surfer Sandman on May 5, 2013 16:25:13 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone else here finds Dean Ambrose the least impressive member of the Shield? He's not bad or anything, but between him Rollins and Reigns wrestling and talking he comes across as an average wrestler who's best talent is promoting himself Hardly. That honor goes to Roman Reigns, despite his Samoan heritage. Dean Ambrose is a genius on mic with the mannerisms. He just needs to develop as a singles wrestler. I want to see him pull off a "loose cannon" gimmick.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 16:42:18 GMT -5
Reigns is the muscle. Reigns is the presence As I said though, he's not even that muscular. He's only a bit bigger than Ambrose and Rollins. He's got that bigger frame though, much wider shoulders and huge traps/neck. These days in WWE, 260ish is big enough to be the muscle of the group. 15 years ago, he'd be about average.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 16:44:13 GMT -5
As I said though, he's not even that muscular. He's only a bit bigger than Ambrose and Rollins. He's got that bigger frame though, much wider shoulders and huge traps/neck. These days in WWE, 260ish is big enough to be the muscle of the group. 15 years ago, he'd be about average. I doubt he's actually 260. Most likely exaggerated to fit the "muscle" billing.
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Post by mrjl on May 5, 2013 17:29:01 GMT -5
He's got that bigger frame though, much wider shoulders and huge traps/neck. These days in WWE, 260ish is big enough to be the muscle of the group. 15 years ago, he'd be about average. I doubt he's actually 260. Most likely exaggerated to fit the "muscle" billing. he was a defensive lineman in football. those are the second biggest guys on the field. Now he's probably dropped some weight, but not much below his playing weight
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