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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 19:34:22 GMT -5
The thing about his moveset is that half his finishers have been claimed by someone else. He used Sheamus's White Noise and Beth Phoenix's Glam Slam in the Indies as his main finishers and, when he was feuding with Regal in FCW, he used the Regal Stretch and the Knee Trembler.
He also used to do other submissions like the Crossface Chicken wing and the Fujiwara armbar. Added to that, he does a couple of DDT variants and non-safe style stuff like the pile driver and Kobashi's Orange Crush (vertical suplex into a power bomb). So, he has the moves, it's just that he has to establish stuff.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 19:40:23 GMT -5
BTW, Ambrose's real name is John Good. ... you know, it's been quite a bit of time since that gimmick... Just saying .
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 20:22:25 GMT -5
He seems out of place to me. Like, Reigns seems like a pretty natural fit to this sort of gimmick and does seem like a badass, Rollins... Doesn't really do anything to stand out but he isn't terribly out of place either so whatever, while Ambrose doesn't look particularly threatening. At least, not in a fight sense; I could see the guy hanging out outside a middle school freaking kids out, but I can't see him actually being intimidating hand-to-hand, and he seems kind of goofy compared to the other two.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 20:24:58 GMT -5
Yeah, yeah, I shouldn't evoke the "you should see their work before WWE thing" but Ambrose as Moxley was a monster in Ultraviolent matches as well in Strong-Styleesque matches. He can hang with people like Homicide in terms of brawling and with Bryan in terms of wrestling (as he has done just that during their matches).
He is very, very quirky and I have no problem with people saying that they don't see it. Your mileage with him may vary.
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Post by Cesaro Smirk on May 5, 2013 20:25:54 GMT -5
well, I was talking over all, not just his couple of singles matches. He has the least effective move set, his voice is the most aggravating, he has least marketable look, and general contributes the least to each Shield victory. He sells the most blatently, but I actually think he oversells the initial impact then shrugs it off I meant for myself. To know where I am coming from, I had only really seen those two as full matches. I've seen glimpses elsewhere on YT but that is about it and no PPV matches. Also this isn't an attack in any way. As a member of the Shield then, I'd say exactly what someone else said. He's the brains/mouth in the faction. And not that I want to really draw attention to this, I am a female who has in the past loved the likes of John Morrison and others for some very superficial reasons but I find his look just fine. There's something unique that I can't put my finger on but I find him very appealing. Not in the same way as Reigns or Rollins (both generic baby faces), but something else. But then I do like the sadistic psycho looking and acting heels as well for entirely different reasons, namely some play the part really, really well and it's hard for me not to appreciate. I won't argue your preferences as far as the sound of someone's voice, personally I find Rollins the most annoying and Reigns with the yelling of stupid things, both in the beginning were especially deplorable. To me, he just brings something that no one else is right now. His mannerisms in the ring are excellent as well. Yeah he might oversell, but not Ziggler bad or nearly as often. If he sold against someone much smaller than UT or Kane the same way, I might wonder though. I attribute this to him being a guy who is used to selling major injuries from what I've seen on YT where he is just beaten to a bloody pulp with a series of interesting weapons. I haven't watched nearly closely enough to pick out the lack of selling afterwards. I'm not that much of a stickler for realism in the ring, and everything else more than makes up for that. I'm still in wait-and-see mode for the rest and just giving it time. All three are doing just fine as far as I'm concerned and I look forward to seeing more focus on singles action.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 5, 2013 21:21:24 GMT -5
He seems out of place to me. Like, Reigns seems like a pretty natural fit to this sort of gimmick and does seem like a badass, Rollins... Doesn't really do anything to stand out but he isn't terribly out of place either so whatever, while Ambrose doesn't look particularly threatening. At least, not in a fight sense; I could see the guy hanging out outside a middle school freaking kids out, but I can't see him actually being intimidating hand-to-hand, and he seems kind of goofy compared to the other two. No offense but I couldn't disagree more. To me, he adds legitimacy to the group with his look. Without him, it's two pretty boys playing hired guns. Dean looks like a hired gun you'd see in a movie. Either the crazed leader or the loose cannon of the group, both he's shown shades on in his Shield work. He looks like he's seen some things, had some fights and he isn't all there because of it. More so than Reigns or Rollins, he looks like the type of scumbag that would beat down others for money and "justice". I feel like you take him out of Shield or insert someone else with a more "cosmetically appealing" look, and you lose something from the group and it becomes an issue WWE has had for the past decade or so, over prettifying everything practically. That said, I feel you remove either of the other two and you lose something too.
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Post by keepinitreal365 on May 5, 2013 21:46:39 GMT -5
I'll just add my two cents. I had never heard of him until the foley thing. Once he made his debut there was and is an ASTRONOMICAL amount of hype from the internet with him. I checked out a few promos. The weird one when he's in the corner and he proceeds to mind rape the chick that was trying to interview him. People are saying oh he should be wwe champion now. I find that very hypocritical when people say that yet bitch about someone else getting hot shotted to a title.
If anything alot of the criticism that i personally see...well read that he gets is his selling...or lack there of. I noticed it on smackdown. After Kane choke slammed him he sold it for like 2 seconds. You just got choke slammed by kane!!!... Bitch you stay down! With that being said. I like him. I dig his crazy psycho look. He looks like the type of guy that would lecture you about serial killers before sex. I'm interested in seeing where he goes. Right now the shield are HOT. It'll be interesting to see where they are come summerslam time.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 5, 2013 21:49:05 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree more. I'm generally a fan of all three guys, but Ambrose is my favorite by a significant margin, because he truly "gets" the art of pro wrestling. He's a big over-the-top mugging ham, and thus he's an ideal comic book heel.
When you're trying to engage a loud, often rowdy live audience as well as 4 million more TV viewers with diverse tastes, you can't afford to be too subtle, and Ambrose's bizarre voice lilts and goony faces are the right tools for the job.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 5, 2013 22:40:00 GMT -5
People are saying oh he should be wwe champion now. I find that very hypocritical when people say that yet bitch about someone else getting hot shotted to a title. 1. It's probably not the same people doing both. 2. It's not hypocritical even if it WERE the same people. I complain that 50 Shades of Grey is so popular, but I don't complain that Slaughterhouse Five is also popular. This does not make me a hypocrite. This makes me someone who thinks Slaughterhouse Five deserves to be popular and 50 Shades of Grey does not. Also, just to comment on other things people have been talking about, Ambrose is HOT. It's more his gestalt than just his looks per se, but I mean damn.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 5, 2013 22:47:42 GMT -5
He's got the kind of look that Vince goes for. That alone should guarantee him a solid push when they eventually split. That means more chances to become something big, or at least more than the other two will probably be given. Yeah, cuz Ezekiel Jackson and Mason Ryan definitely made it bigger than CM Punk and Daniel Bryan right? Sorry to double-post, but are you seriously arguing that Zeke and Ryan didn't get a million chances because of their bodybuilding looks? The fact that occasionally a smaller guy will succeed and a bigger one will fail doesn't mean the pattern doesn't exist. It's hardly unrealistic to think Reigns will get the push. I actually don't think Ambrose is in trouble, here, but I think Rollins is screwed because of his size.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 22:48:46 GMT -5
I'll just add my two cents. I had never heard of him until the foley thing. Once he made his debut there was and is an ASTRONOMICAL amount of hype from the internet with him. I checked out a few promos. The weird one when he's in the corner and he proceeds to mind rape the chick that was trying to interview him. People are saying oh he should be wwe champion now. I find that very hypocritical when people say that yet bitch about someone else getting hot shotted to a title. If anything alot of the criticism that i personally see...well read that he gets is his selling...or lack there of. I noticed it on smackdown. After Kane choke slammed him he sold it for like 2 seconds. You just got choke slammed by kane!!!... Bitch you stay down! With that being said. I like him. I dig his crazy psycho look. He looks like the type of guy that would lecture you about serial killers before sex. I'm interested in seeing where he goes. Right now the shield are HOT. It'll be interesting to see where they are come summerslam time. I noticed him not selling Kane's chokeslam too. It seemed like more of a problem with the lay out of the finish than his fault, but if that was his choice/mistake then I agree that it's bad form. He could pull off the occasional no-sell on the indys and in FCW, because his gimmick is this unhinged masochist that could 'feed off the pain', but that doesn't really fly on the main roster unless you're a big man or Samoan or both.
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Post by mizerable on May 5, 2013 23:18:49 GMT -5
I think one thing that does bother me about him (if we really want to split hairs here) is his "George Steele sticking tongue out of mouth" face that he walks around with. It's less menacing when you look like an exhausted puppy.
...but I mean, as long as we're splitting hairs.
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Post by BK From WV on May 5, 2013 23:25:19 GMT -5
My main problem with him is I don't like him on the mic and I hate the facial expressions. He is solid in the ring and I think he has the potential to be a top heel once The Shield is over. I just can't get over his mic work though and the weird facial expressions. That's my complaint about him.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 23:27:20 GMT -5
I think Ambrose has done well. I don't know that he's lived up to the hype (How could anyone?) but he's done very well so far.
I'm more surprised at how well reigns and rollins are doing.
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Post by kamotengkahoy on May 6, 2013 0:03:49 GMT -5
Sounds like people were expecting Daniel Bryan. He's totally not that. Completely different style, one that doesn't rely on an impressive athleticism. He's an old school heel. From the promos to the in ring wrestling. It's his ring psychology and yes, charisma, that draws people in. You may not see it, but actually listen to the said hype you are trashing. When DB was hyped, it was all about his in ring abilities with some bringing up that he's also pretty fun on the mic too. DB is now showing this in spades. With Punk, it was his mic work and his ability to draw people into his matches. He wasn't a technical wizard like Bryan, hell, he's pretty sloppy. I think we've all seen what Punk can do now. With Cesaro, it was that he's highly adaptive, can wrestle in a slew of styles excellently, and strength wise, he's a freak of nature. Guess what? We are now seeing this, though it may take more for him to escape the mid-card. So now with Ambrose, it's about his ability to really place immerse himself into his persona, to the point where some think there's an actual screw loose. He puts it in his promos, his in ring work, his out of ring mannerisms. He's an old school wrestler, the ones I used to hear people around here dream were in the E. Guys who could really BECOME their gimmicks. He's that. Amen! I'm going on a liking spree here too many posts so DR anyway his pre fcw promo i like most is his promos against homicide.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 0:51:54 GMT -5
I'm so sick of the "so and so is the weak link in The Shield". They're all great, and together they're fantastic. I f***ing hate internet fans sometimes. Just enjoy what is one of the most entertaining things we've gotten in wrestling for years and stop being overly critical for once. Ambrose is a brilliant promo, and is very good in the ring. If you can't see it then it's sad. I've never agreed so much with anything in my life. I feel this... about basically everything.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 0:52:23 GMT -5
The next time his name gets used to title one of the Monday Night Raw Threads or the WWE Pics and Gifs thread, it should be:
Ambrose before hos.
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Post by CourtesyFlush on May 6, 2013 5:22:53 GMT -5
Ambrose and Cesaro, only 2 unestablished guys on the roster who can sell out arenas in the future. Dean Ambrose- most impressive
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Post by jp49er80 on May 6, 2013 6:01:57 GMT -5
I'm somewhere between the 'love him' and 'hate him'. Relative to the hype he's not what I expected, but I enjoy watching him, and I love his promos.
In saying that, trying to find a weak link in the Shield is ridiculous, they're one of the few things I enjoy watching in WWE any more.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 6, 2013 7:09:10 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree more. I'm generally a fan of all three guys, but Ambrose is my favorite by a significant margin, because he truly "gets" the art of pro wrestling. He's a big over-the-top mugging ham, and thus he's an ideal comic book heel. When you're trying to engage a loud, often rowdy live audience as well as 4 million more TV viewers with diverse tastes, you can't afford to be too subtle, and Ambrose's bizarre voice lilts and goony faces are the right tools for the job. Just quoting this to say, if you want to hear Ambrose's philosophy in wrestling, check out his Best of the Indies Shoot. Basically when he was a teenager breaking in at HWA he was told how to build yourself up by Les Thatcher, Cody Hawk, and Nigel McGuinness so he really focused on looking muscular and wrestling a submission/chain wrestling style. While he could do some good things in the ring, he really didn't get any interest out of HWA. After a developmental deal fell through (Nova offered him one but got fired after that steroid sting. He almost quit wrestling for good, but soon realized after getting close with some of the big name midwest guys (Drake Younger, Ego Fantastico, Irish Airborn) that you can be the greatest wrestler in the world, have millions of submission holds or fly though the air, but if the crowd isn't in to what you do you either have to adapt or your dead. As for the Shield as a whole, the ONLY thing I think they need to work on now is finding a new spot for Reigns other than the Speak through the barrier. As cool as it looks, he's done it three times already in a very short time.
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