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Post by Psychoblue on Jul 21, 2013 12:47:46 GMT -5
Okie-dokie, time to chime in and put some people on blast.
On the idea that Miz isn't credible-looking: I don't know what else this guy has to do in order to convince you people that he's not only a wrestler, but a wrestler who's been at it for 12 years now. Yeah, he was a doofus back in 2006, but the entire point of that run was to make him as aggravating as possible so that whoever finally shut him up would look better in the process. When it came time for him to actually start having lengthy matches on ECW, where he was featured prominently, he toned down the fauxhawk, improved his ring gear and overall look, and proved himself a competitor. I know some people like to pretend that Miz was treated as more important than Morrison, but it was the exact opposite most of the time (like Morrison blasting HBK with the Superkick a few times while Miz crawled over for the pin in a daze because he'd be owned most of the matches).
Right now he's a solid 230 with a toned, cut figure and a decorated champion with only the WHC missing from his resume. He's toned down the neckbreakers and now has a rather solid repetoire of attacks, and unlike pretty much all of the other faces in the company, he keeps the crowd involved during rest periods. I'd say he has above-average psychology, so long as he's given the chance to show it. Someone on Shoryuken said his movelist resumes an early 90s WCW highflyer like Brad Armstrong or Ricky Morton. As long as you have that fundamentally sound style down, you'll always be a valued member of the company. Of course, you'll likely be valued as a JTTS, but still value.
On him being douchey: At this point I'm beginning to think this is more the pre-conceived notion than what he actually does in the ring. The only time for sure he was a douchebag was from 2006-2009, where the elitist frat boy gimmick was in full effect with the In Crowd. Since he made the switch to trunks, his character doesn't even closely resemble the one that debuted on WWE TV in 2006. The fauxhawk was toned down further, and eventually ditched completely. Yes, he's still a smug asshole, but nowhere near to the point of Cena. If the Bieln look wasn't enough for you guys, I'm starting to think that the Miz could come out in a Hannya mask, spew mist, and attack people with screw drivers, and you guys would still accuse him of being a douchebag.
On him being a bad worker: Miz has been involved in some incredible singles matches since at least 2007 (and I've searched high and low for the match he had with Matt Hardy about a month before he got drafted to ECW, the match that was considered the turning point to how the Miz would be booked in the ring). In general, he hasn't had a flat out BAD match in a long, long time. I would go on to say that Miz is right now Top 15 workrate on the entire WWE roster, and I really think he's a main event feud away from getting the Five Star badge. My favorite part is someone here saying that he has bad psychology, when he now has a finisher that he bases HIS ENTIRE OFFENSE AROUND. Kneebreakers, Shoulder Legbreakers, Low Dropkicks...and there are people who say that he never works over the leg?
But wait! He's not worthy of that finisher? It's too forced for him to have it? If he started using the Trailer Hitch instead, would we get the same complaints?
Honestly, this dude has been having naysayers all around him since the moment he debuted on WWE TV. The fact that he's still around after all this time shows that barring some unforseen injury or a major screw-up like a Wellness (and if he's dodged it for this long even after bulking up, he's probably in the clear), this guy isn't going anywhere. The concussion history and zero days off are probably slowing him down right now, but he's not going anywhere anytime soon.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 21, 2013 12:51:10 GMT -5
Okie-dokie, time to chime in and put some people on blast. On the idea that Miz isn't credible-looking: I don't know what else this guy has to do in order to convince you people that he's not only a wrestler, but a wrestler who's been at it for 12 years now. Yeah, he was a doofus back in 2006, but the entire point of that run was to make him as aggravating as possible so that whoever finally shut him up would look better in the process. When it came time for him to actually start having lengthy matches on ECW, where he was featured prominently, he toned down the fauxhawk, improved his ring gear and overall look, and proved himself a competitor. I know some people like to pretend that Miz was treated as more important than Morrison, but it was the exact opposite most of the time (like Morrison blasting HBK with the Superkick a few times while Miz crawled over for the pin in a daze because he'd be owned most of the matches). Right now he's a solid 230 with a toned, cut figure and a decorated champion with only the WHC missing from his resume. He's toned down the neckbreakers and now has a rather solid repetoire of attacks, and unlike pretty much all of the other faces in the company, he keeps the crowd involved during rest periods. I'd say he has above-average psychology, so long as he's given the chance to show it. Someone on Shoryuken said his movelist resumes an early 90s WCW highflyer like Brad Armstrong or Ricky Morton. As long as you have that fundamentally sound style down, you'll always be a valued member of the company. Of course, you'll likely be valued as a JTTS, but still value. On him being douchey: At this point I'm beginning to think this is more the pre-conceived notion than what he actually does in the ring. The only time for sure he was a douchebag was from 2006-2009, where the elitist frat boy gimmick was in full effect with the In Crowd. Since he made the switch to trunks, his character doesn't even closely resemble the one that debuted on WWE TV in 2006. The fauxhawk was toned down further, and eventually ditched completely. Yes, he's still a smug asshole, but nowhere near to the point of Cena. If the Bieln look wasn't enough for you guys, I'm starting to think that the Miz could come out in a Hannya mask, spew mist, and attack people with screw drivers, and you guys would still accuse him of being a douchebag. On him being a bad worker: Miz has been involved in some incredible singles matches since at least 2007 (and I've searched high and low for the match he had with Matt Hardy about a month before he got drafted to ECW, the match that was considered the turning point to how the Miz would be booked in the ring). In general, he hasn't had a flat out BAD match in a long, long time. I would go on to say that Miz is right now Top 15 workrate on the entire WWE roster, and I really think he's a main event feud away from getting the Five Star badge. My favorite part is someone here saying that he has bad psychology, when he now has a finisher that he bases HIS ENTIRE OFFENSE AROUND. Kneebreakers, Shoulder Legbreakers, Low Dropkicks...and there are people who say that he never works over the leg? But wait! He's not worthy of that finisher? It's too forced for him to have it? If he started using the Trailer Hitch instead, would we get the same complaints? Honestly, this dude has been having naysayers all around him since the moment he debuted on WWE TV. The fact that he's still around after all this time shows that barring some unforseen injury or a major screw-up like a Wellness (and if he's dodged it for this long even after bulking up, he's probably in the clear), this guy isn't going anywhere. The concussion history and zero days off are probably slowing him down right now, but he's not going anywhere anytime soon. We meant no offense, Mrs. Mizanin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 13:46:50 GMT -5
Okie-dokie, time to chime in and put some people on blast. On the idea that Miz isn't credible-looking: I don't know what else this guy has to do in order to convince you people that he's not only a wrestler, but a wrestler who's been at it for 12 years now. Yeah, he was a doofus back in 2006, but the entire point of that run was to make him as aggravating as possible so that whoever finally shut him up would look better in the process. When it came time for him to actually start having lengthy matches on ECW, where he was featured prominently, he toned down the fauxhawk, improved his ring gear and overall look, and proved himself a competitor. I know some people like to pretend that Miz was treated as more important than Morrison, but it was the exact opposite most of the time (like Morrison blasting HBK with the Superkick a few times while Miz crawled over for the pin in a daze because he'd be owned most of the matches). Right now he's a solid 230 with a toned, cut figure and a decorated champion with only the WHC missing from his resume. He's toned down the neckbreakers and now has a rather solid repetoire of attacks, and unlike pretty much all of the other faces in the company, he keeps the crowd involved during rest periods. I'd say he has above-average psychology, so long as he's given the chance to show it. Someone on Shoryuken said his movelist resumes an early 90s WCW highflyer like Brad Armstrong or Ricky Morton. As long as you have that fundamentally sound style down, you'll always be a valued member of the company. Of course, you'll likely be valued as a JTTS, but still value. On him being douchey: At this point I'm beginning to think this is more the pre-conceived notion than what he actually does in the ring. The only time for sure he was a douchebag was from 2006-2009, where the elitist frat boy gimmick was in full effect with the In Crowd. Since he made the switch to trunks, his character doesn't even closely resemble the one that debuted on WWE TV in 2006. The fauxhawk was toned down further, and eventually ditched completely. Yes, he's still a smug asshole, but nowhere near to the point of Cena. If the Bieln look wasn't enough for you guys, I'm starting to think that the Miz could come out in a Hannya mask, spew mist, and attack people with screw drivers, and you guys would still accuse him of being a douchebag. On him being a bad worker: Miz has been involved in some incredible singles matches since at least 2007 (and I've searched high and low for the match he had with Matt Hardy about a month before he got drafted to ECW, the match that was considered the turning point to how the Miz would be booked in the ring). In general, he hasn't had a flat out BAD match in a long, long time. I would go on to say that Miz is right now Top 15 workrate on the entire WWE roster, and I really think he's a main event feud away from getting the Five Star badge. My favorite part is someone here saying that he has bad psychology, when he now has a finisher that he bases HIS ENTIRE OFFENSE AROUND. Kneebreakers, Shoulder Legbreakers, Low Dropkicks...and there are people who say that he never works over the leg? But wait! He's not worthy of that finisher? It's too forced for him to have it? If he started using the Trailer Hitch instead, would we get the same complaints? Honestly, this dude has been having naysayers all around him since the moment he debuted on WWE TV. The fact that he's still around after all this time shows that barring some unforseen injury or a major screw-up like a Wellness (and if he's dodged it for this long even after bulking up, he's probably in the clear), this guy isn't going anywhere. The concussion history and zero days off are probably slowing him down right now, but he's not going anywhere anytime soon. A great example of a few good points marred by gross exaggeration across the board. -You're overstating how much he works on the leg. He might hit one low dropkick or chop block, stomp it a few times, and all of a sudden the Figure 4 is totally set up. Certainly doesn't base his "entire offense" around it. That would be punches, kicks, some nice roll ups, a boot, a knee lift, a neckbreaker or two and a corner clothesline. -Top 15 worker in the company? No f'ing way. Orton, Cena, Bryan, Punk, Sheamus, Jericho, Van Dam, Cesaro, Ziggler, Del Rio, Rhodes, Sandow, Ambrose, Rollins, Kingston, Slater, McIntyre, Hunico, Kidd, Gabriel, etc. etc. etc. Not even counting Developmental, where guys like Kruger/Zayn/Ohno absolutely smoke him in-ring. He's better than the total stiffs. About on the level of Zack Ryder. He's not terrible but he's outclassed by most of the roster. -He is still very, very douchey. At least before, he was supposed to be. Now, he's supposed to be cool. That Miz TV segment on Friday...I can't fathom getting behind that character. The face turn does suit him in the ring, because he doesn't have to do his slowly stalk/rapeface routine for 10 minutes because of his lack of technical skills. Out of the ring, he's this smarmy sarcastic guy that makes dumb faces and cracks bad jokes. Sure, you can say the same about Dolph Ziggler. But, why has he connected with the crowd in a way Miz hasn't? Miz is a middling talent that got a big push 3 years ago, and now there's been a philosophy change and he doesn't really fit. To me, he was lucky to get the shot at the top he did. I'm not saying he doesn't try, he doesn't work hard, he's a bad person, or he's not a good PR guy or what have you. But it's about talent and results.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 21, 2013 14:03:07 GMT -5
The Miz is definitely a douche. It's just his thing. Remember when we had that discussion about what Batista's gimmick was and the best we could come up with was a giant douche? This was of course before Batista played the actual douche character to perfection and redeemed his entire career of boring bullshit. The Miz is exactly the same. No matter what they pin on him he's just always going to be a douche.
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Post by BiloxiParish on Jul 21, 2013 14:17:03 GMT -5
Okie-dokie, time to chime in and put some people on blast. On the idea that Miz isn't credible-looking: I don't know what else this guy has to do in order to convince you people that he's not only a wrestler, but a wrestler who's been at it for 12 years now. Yeah, he was a doofus back in 2006, but the entire point of that run was to make him as aggravating as possible so that whoever finally shut him up would look better in the process. When it came time for him to actually start having lengthy matches on ECW, where he was featured prominently, he toned down the fauxhawk, improved his ring gear and overall look, and proved himself a competitor. I know some people like to pretend that Miz was treated as more important than Morrison, but it was the exact opposite most of the time (like Morrison blasting HBK with the Superkick a few times while Miz crawled over for the pin in a daze because he'd be owned most of the matches). Right now he's a solid 230 with a toned, cut figure and a decorated champion with only the WHC missing from his resume. He's toned down the neckbreakers and now has a rather solid repetoire of attacks, and unlike pretty much all of the other faces in the company, he keeps the crowd involved during rest periods. I'd say he has above-average psychology, so long as he's given the chance to show it. Someone on Shoryuken said his movelist resumes an early 90s WCW highflyer like Brad Armstrong or Ricky Morton. As long as you have that fundamentally sound style down, you'll always be a valued member of the company. Of course, you'll likely be valued as a JTTS, but still value. On him being douchey: At this point I'm beginning to think this is more the pre-conceived notion than what he actually does in the ring. The only time for sure he was a douchebag was from 2006-2009, where the elitist frat boy gimmick was in full effect with the In Crowd. Since he made the switch to trunks, his character doesn't even closely resemble the one that debuted on WWE TV in 2006. The fauxhawk was toned down further, and eventually ditched completely. Yes, he's still a smug asshole, but nowhere near to the point of Cena. If the Bieln look wasn't enough for you guys, I'm starting to think that the Miz could come out in a Hannya mask, spew mist, and attack people with screw drivers, and you guys would still accuse him of being a douchebag. On him being a bad worker: Miz has been involved in some incredible singles matches since at least 2007 (and I've searched high and low for the match he had with Matt Hardy about a month before he got drafted to ECW, the match that was considered the turning point to how the Miz would be booked in the ring). In general, he hasn't had a flat out BAD match in a long, long time. I would go on to say that Miz is right now Top 15 workrate on the entire WWE roster, and I really think he's a main event feud away from getting the Five Star badge. My favorite part is someone here saying that he has bad psychology, when he now has a finisher that he bases HIS ENTIRE OFFENSE AROUND. Kneebreakers, Shoulder Legbreakers, Low Dropkicks...and there are people who say that he never works over the leg? But wait! He's not worthy of that finisher? It's too forced for him to have it? If he started using the Trailer Hitch instead, would we get the same complaints? Honestly, this dude has been having naysayers all around him since the moment he debuted on WWE TV. The fact that he's still around after all this time shows that barring some unforseen injury or a major screw-up like a Wellness (and if he's dodged it for this long even after bulking up, he's probably in the clear), this guy isn't going anywhere. The concussion history and zero days off are probably slowing him down right now, but he's not going anywhere anytime soon. I don't post here often but felt like chiming in.. There isn't any essay that you could type that would change the fact that I have never, and will never be a fan of the Miz.. I will never believe him as a wrestler, and will never accept him as serious contender in the ring.. His title reign was one of the most forced things i have witnessed outside of the constant shoving of Del Rio as champion down our throats. I have been glad they have had him scaled back, and making him do commentary or other things. He is a much better manager type to me, or a spokesperson for the WWE.. The Miz annoys the shit out of me and has been one of the least likable people I've seen the WWE try to get over with full force since I started watching wrestling in the 80's.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jul 21, 2013 14:19:56 GMT -5
Okie-dokie, time to chime in and put some people on blast. On the idea that Miz isn't credible-looking: I don't know what else this guy has to do in order to convince you people that he's not only a wrestler, but a wrestler who's been at it for 12 years now. Yeah, he was a doofus back in 2006, but the entire point of that run was to make him as aggravating as possible so that whoever finally shut him up would look better in the process. When it came time for him to actually start having lengthy matches on ECW, where he was featured prominently, he toned down the fauxhawk, improved his ring gear and overall look, and proved himself a competitor. I know some people like to pretend that Miz was treated as more important than Morrison, but it was the exact opposite most of the time (like Morrison blasting HBK with the Superkick a few times while Miz crawled over for the pin in a daze because he'd be owned most of the matches). Right now he's a solid 230 with a toned, cut figure and a decorated champion with only the WHC missing from his resume. He's toned down the neckbreakers and now has a rather solid repetoire of attacks, and unlike pretty much all of the other faces in the company, he keeps the crowd involved during rest periods. I'd say he has above-average psychology, so long as he's given the chance to show it. Someone on Shoryuken said his movelist resumes an early 90s WCW highflyer like Brad Armstrong or Ricky Morton. As long as you have that fundamentally sound style down, you'll always be a valued member of the company. Of course, you'll likely be valued as a JTTS, but still value. On him being douchey: At this point I'm beginning to think this is more the pre-conceived notion than what he actually does in the ring. The only time for sure he was a douchebag was from 2006-2009, where the elitist frat boy gimmick was in full effect with the In Crowd. Since he made the switch to trunks, his character doesn't even closely resemble the one that debuted on WWE TV in 2006. The fauxhawk was toned down further, and eventually ditched completely. Yes, he's still a smug asshole, but nowhere near to the point of Cena. If the Bieln look wasn't enough for you guys, I'm starting to think that the Miz could come out in a Hannya mask, spew mist, and attack people with screw drivers, and you guys would still accuse him of being a douchebag. On him being a bad worker: Miz has been involved in some incredible singles matches since at least 2007 (and I've searched high and low for the match he had with Matt Hardy about a month before he got drafted to ECW, the match that was considered the turning point to how the Miz would be booked in the ring). In general, he hasn't had a flat out BAD match in a long, long time. I would go on to say that Miz is right now Top 15 workrate on the entire WWE roster, and I really think he's a main event feud away from getting the Five Star badge. My favorite part is someone here saying that he has bad psychology, when he now has a finisher that he bases HIS ENTIRE OFFENSE AROUND. Kneebreakers, Shoulder Legbreakers, Low Dropkicks...and there are people who say that he never works over the leg? But wait! He's not worthy of that finisher? It's too forced for him to have it? If he started using the Trailer Hitch instead, would we get the same complaints? Honestly, this dude has been having naysayers all around him since the moment he debuted on WWE TV. The fact that he's still around after all this time shows that barring some unforseen injury or a major screw-up like a Wellness (and if he's dodged it for this long even after bulking up, he's probably in the clear), this guy isn't going anywhere. The concussion history and zero days off are probably slowing him down right now, but he's not going anywhere anytime soon. A great example of a few good points marred by gross exaggeration across the board. -You're overstating how much he works on the leg. He might hit one low dropkick or chop block, stomp it a few times, and all of a sudden the Figure 4 is totally set up. Certainly doesn't base his "entire offense" around it. That would be punches, kicks, some nice roll ups, a boot, a knee lift, a neckbreaker or two and a corner clothesline. -Top 15 worker in the company? No f'ing way. Orton, Cena, Bryan, Punk, Sheamus, Jericho, Van Dam, Cesaro, Ziggler, Del Rio, Rhodes, Sandow, Ambrose, Rollins, Kingston, Slater, McIntyre, Hunico, Kidd, Gabriel, etc. etc. etc. Not even counting Developmental, where guys like Kruger/Zayn/Ohno absolutely smoke him in-ring. He's better than the total stiffs. About on the level of Zack Ryder. He's not terrible but he's outclassed by most of the roster. -He is still very, very douchey. At least before, he was supposed to be. Now, he's supposed to be cool. That Miz TV segment on Friday...I can't fathom getting behind that character. The face turn does suit him in the ring, because he doesn't have to do his slowly stalk/rapeface routine for 10 minutes because of his lack of technical skills. Out of the ring, he's this smarmy sarcastic guy that makes dumb faces and cracks bad jokes. Sure, you can say the same about Dolph Ziggler. But, why has he connected with the crowd in a way Miz hasn't? Miz is a middling talent that got a big push 3 years ago, and now there's been a philosophy change and he doesn't really fit. To me, he was lucky to get the shot at the top he did. I'm not saying he doesn't try, he doesn't work hard, he's a bad person, or he's not a good PR guy or what have you. But it's about talent and results. Also it's not that he isn't "worthy" of the figure four it's that his version of it looks shit. Same complaints with Cena's STF and The Rock's Sharpshooter.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jul 21, 2013 14:21:52 GMT -5
He needs to bring back the fedoras.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 21, 2013 14:30:30 GMT -5
He needs to study footage of Jericho during his Ralphus days. He pulled off being a douche in cool and funny way. Miz needs to play a role like that. He also needs to drop the figure four. He gains nothing from it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 15:22:55 GMT -5
He needs to study footage of Jericho during his Ralphus days. He pulled off being a douche in cool and funny way. Miz needs to play a role like that. He also needs to drop the figure four. He gains nothing from it. I know I'm in a minority opinion in general but as much as I enjoyed Jericho as a kid and stuff looking back on his WCW character/promo work outside of the conspiracy victim stuff and one Goldberg segment he was really just incredibly annoying and intolerable. Then again I think he was that outside of the ring up until he toned down the stupid shouting bad-pun-names stuff. I'd take Miz-pricking it up over that Jericho any day, solely because it doesn't make me want to turn off the television or skip in-between-match segments on DVDs.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jul 21, 2013 15:27:54 GMT -5
Maybe this is a tangent, but I didn't quite thing it was different enough to merit its own topic.
Is Miz Flair a rib?
I mean, of all the talents that could have had the Ric Flair endorsement, is it just coincidence that they gave it to Miz and he's not generally seen as anything beyond adequate at best as a wrestler, or was it a deliberate way of making fun of that fact?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 15:35:01 GMT -5
Maybe this is a tangent, but I didn't quite thing it was different enough to merit its own topic. Is Miz Flair a rib? I mean, of all the talents that could have had the Ric Flair endorsement, is it just coincidence that they gave it to Miz and he's not generally seen as anything beyond adequate at best as a wrestler, or was it a deliberate way of making fun of that fact? It's odd, I think Flair is solely there to put people over a little bit more... But the two he's praised since his return do not need it. As much as Miz may be disliked by a lot of people he doesn't require any more fan support, similar to Sheamus and a few other guys. The second guy Flair's spoken well of is John Cena in the 'Superstar of 2012' award thing. Both times it seemed needless, I mean I do not mind Miz taking on a submission finisher to expand his moveset (I find his Figure 4 fine, he's only mucked it up once a few months ago) but it's odd, neither Miz nor Cena needed another legend to support them or put them over etcetera etcetera.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 15:59:29 GMT -5
I know some people like to pretend that Miz was treated as more important than Morrison, but it was the exact opposite most of the time (like Morrison blasting HBK with the Superkick a few times while Miz crawled over for the pin in a daze because he'd be owned most of the matches). No it wasn't. Miz was the one who won the WWE championship and won almost every single match. How is that not treating him as more important? He usually gets his butt kicked in matches because he doesn't have enough offensive moves to maintain the crowd's interest. He can sell fine, but he's very limited otherwise, and that means his offense must be done in short spans of time. We're not "pretending" anything. He was given a strong, serious push in 2010 and 2011 that relied heavily on being carried by better or more exciting ring workers. Eventually, when that pool of feuds dried up, his push ended--they ran out of stronger people for him to go up against and backed off from putting him in any sustained programs. Miz is plenty over with fans but that does not translate to being able to have matches that keep those fans interested, no matter how hard he tries to maintain that interest. He simply cannot back it up in the ring--at least not at the main event level. In the midcard, however, he's perfectly fine, and that's where he should be anchored.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 16:02:41 GMT -5
Maybe this is a tangent, but I didn't quite thing it was different enough to merit its own topic. Is Miz Flair a rib? I mean, of all the talents that could have had the Ric Flair endorsement, is it just coincidence that they gave it to Miz and he's not generally seen as anything beyond adequate at best as a wrestler, or was it a deliberate way of making fun of that fact? That would be really funny. I think it's probably more that Miz needed a new finisher, and Flair needed some cash. Bing bang boom Nature Miz!
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Post by CM Dazz on Jul 21, 2013 16:14:04 GMT -5
Miz Flair (that cracked me up!) should be a heel. Flair was the "dirtiest player in the game", & Miz is (allegedly) a face. (Not in my book, but whatever.) Now, I've stated before, as BiloxiParish just stated as well, that I have absolutely no use whatsoever for Miz. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING he could do to make me a fan. Nothing. I respect the fact he's made it to WWE, as that is a HUGE deal, but I wish he'd consider a new career. Maybe as a professional golfer, or bowler since I don't watch those activities anyway. With that being said, if he was a heel, and had Flair as a manager, it would be better than the drivel he currently brings. I'd still feel insulted that he got the rub from Flair, but at least I would suppose to hate him. He truly, truly has go away heat with me. Oh, and another thing, please, please, PLEASE, WWE/Vince/HHH/whoever, DO NOT make him a full time commentator down the road. PLEASE. I won't stop watching, because I love wrestling way too much, but I'd mute the entire f***ing broadcast. Seriously.
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Post by Moppy on Jul 21, 2013 16:14:39 GMT -5
Miz's title run was totally great until THAT Wrestlemania main event. It's been all downhill from there really.
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Post by mizerable on Jul 21, 2013 16:41:20 GMT -5
I know some people like to pretend that Miz was treated as more important than Morrison, but it was the exact opposite most of the time (like Morrison blasting HBK with the Superkick a few times while Miz crawled over for the pin in a daze because he'd be owned most of the matches). No it wasn't. Miz was the one who won the WWE championship and won almost every single match. How is that not treating him as more important? He usually gets his butt kicked in matches because he doesn't have enough offensive moves to maintain the crowd's interest. He can sell fine, but he's very limited otherwise, and that means his offense must be done in short spans of time. We're not "pretending" anything. He was given a strong, serious push in 2010 and 2011 that relied heavily on being carried by better or more exciting ring workers. Eventually, when that pool of feuds dried up, his push ended--they ran out of stronger people for him to go up against and backed off from putting him in any sustained programs. Miz is plenty over with fans but that does not translate to being able to have matches that keep those fans interested, no matter how hard he tries to maintain that interest. He simply cannot back it up in the ring--at least not at the main event level. In the midcard, however, he's perfectly fine, and that's where he should be anchored. Absolutely. During their tag days, Miz was FAR more protected than Morrison was. I can't tell you how many times it was Miz making pins and Morrison taking them. Certainly there were a few times where the opposite happened, but more than anything else, they saw Miz as the bigger star of the two. I can admit that Morrison probably wouldn't have been worthy of being a top contender after they broke up, but WWE screwed them both over by having Miz turn a 180 and get rid of anything that made him stand out and then have Morrison linger in the midcard for far too long. As far as "looking like a wrestler", I'll still say he doesn't. He's certainly a built guy, but compared to many others on the same level or higher, that isn't saying much. So no, just filling the part doesn't make him realistically a main eventer. However, a high standard as far as wrestling goes would. But...he doesn't have that either. There isn't a single thing that Miz does in the ring, that I don't think 85% of the roster could also do, and do better. Again, not taking anything away from what he's worked for. He's worked for the same goals as everyone else in the company and been rewarded more than most. Good for him I guess, but that means nothing to me as a viewer. I don't look at kayfabe accomplishments in regards to someone's legacy. I look to how much that person entertained me. And this is what I got from Miz; 1. The Dirt Sheet (sometimes) 2. Shooting Hornswoggle in the balls with a shirt gun 3. Calling Cena out and declaring himself the winner by default (a step in the right direction) 4. The short-lived Awesome Truth (Truth played off him well) And that's it. Every single other thing he has done has just scraped by on the "meh" or "oh god this is terrible" meter. In a matter of over 7 years, I couldn't give you an accurate description of what Miz is supposed to be. There's never been much to allow him to standout, seeing as he cherrypicks all his traits from other superstars, who do it far better. And as a heel, his matches were so goddamn underwhelming because people had to ragdoll for his shitty offense...and I'm not saying JUST the moves, but the structure of the matches were off. I wouldn't say he isn't "worthy" of the figure four...it just comes off as sad and forced, like they need that for Miz to get a pop. We need the stupid woo's to remind us that yup...Ric Flair is indeed still out there. Maybe Miz's problem is he lacks any sort of ability to put in his own 2 cents on his character, because he certainly isn't getting demoted because the front office doesn't have anything for him, moreso that he just doesn't deliver to the same caliber as so many others. And people are upset about that? Because since he was a former WWE champion, he should still be a top guy? Give me a break! But I will agree that he's going to be here a long long long time. He's got a lifetime supply of brown lipstick.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jul 21, 2013 17:49:58 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, "Curtis Axel cannon fodder" sounds so ridiculously depressing.
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Post by CrazySting on Jul 21, 2013 18:45:23 GMT -5
Miz's world title run was perfectly fine, if unspectacular. And unlike certain people *cough* CM Punk *cough* he can hold his head high knowing Raw ratings didn't tank on HIS watch.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 21, 2013 20:52:13 GMT -5
I wish more people liked Miz.
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Post by Mac on Jul 21, 2013 21:55:05 GMT -5
Miz isnt that good at anything. It sounds simplistic but it's the hard truth. Whatever he does theres a dozen guys on the roster who can do that better. I guarentee his D list status as a celebrity warrented him his push. As WWE tries more and more to make themselves an entertainment company with wrestling as a small component incorporated into it they'll use any angle they can to bring themselves into the mainstream. Miz is an easily frogetable nobody from a forgetable show over a decade ago but he has that over a lot of other guys on the roster so the WWE sees value in that. And they'll keep him around for that. He was a brilliant failure as WWE champ, so we'll probably never see that again. He looks like a lesbian comic for the late 80s with a piss poor attitude and no wretling skills. He's annoying, and in more of a "I dont wanna watch this garbage" way instead of a "I hope he gets his!!!" way, and why hes a face is beyond me,
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