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Post by wildojinx on Aug 19, 2014 23:20:57 GMT -5
They need to have Cena go for a more brutal style for this to work. I dont mean the WWE version of "agressive", im talking Stan Hansen/Terry Funk-type roughneck style.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 19, 2014 23:25:31 GMT -5
How I would propose the Lesnar storyline: I would have it be very similar to the nWo concept where heels and faces unite in an attempt to take Lesnar down. This particular idea would allow the company to test the waters with guys like Ziggler, Kofi, Miz, Cesaro, Big E, Sheamus, Rollins, Ambrose, and even Orton.
Each one puts up a valiant effort in an attempt to dethrone him only to get destroyed in the process. Have wrestlers like Batista or Cena come close, only to fail, thus resulting with a returning Bryan truly overcoming the odds and dethroning the monster.
The story is there. It just takes Vince to stop changing his mind or going into panic mode.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 23:41:17 GMT -5
Your telling me cena is healed? Cena was nearly killed by Brock. He was broken in half. Leave him off TV for three months. Bring him back at survivor series to lead team cenation over brocks beasts to set up a fight at the royal rumble. Man o man, he's going to be 50% going into the fight. He was at 100% for the second fight and still lost while at around 75% for the first fight and he won. All in all, normally if you go one-on-one with another wrestler you have a fifty-fifty chance of winning. But its cena, and he's not normal. Hes got a 25%, at best of beating brock. And then you add in Paul heyman into the mix, your chances of winning drastically go down. See, the 3rd fight at night of champions, you have a 33 and 1/3 chance of winning, but brocks got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, cause paul heyman knows cena can't beat Brock, and he's not even gonna try. So cena, you take your 33 and 1/3 chance, minus brocks 25% chance, and you've got an 8 and 1/3 chance of winning at night of champions. But then you take brocks 75% chance of winning, since it will be one-on-one, and then add 66 and 2/3 percent, brock has 141 and 2/3 percent chance of winning at night of champions. You see, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for cena at night of champions. Just give up.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 19, 2014 23:43:15 GMT -5
There isn't a even a minute chance that Cena's winning the belt back.
That said, doing a rematch already is stupid.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 19, 2014 23:44:34 GMT -5
Your telling me cena is healed? Hes going to be 50% going into the right. He was at 100% for the second fight and still lost. All in all, normally if you go one-on-one with another wrestler you have a fifty-fifty chance of winning. But its cena, and he's not normal. Hes got a 25%, at best of beating brock. And then you add in Paul heyman into the mix, your chances of winning drastically go down. See, the 3rd fight at night of champions, you have a 33 and 1/3 chance of winning, but brocks got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, cause paul heyman knows cena can't beat Brock, and he's not even gonna try. So cena, you take your 33 and 1/3 chance, minus brocks 25% chance, and you've got an 8 and 1/3 chance of winning at night of champions. But then you take brocks 75% chance of winning, since it will be one-on-one, and then add 66 and 2/3 percent, brock has 141 and 2/3 percent chance of winning at night of champions. You see, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for cena at night of champions. Just give up. I lol'd as I read that in his voice too. Seriously though, I'd rather they get Cena out of the way with his rematch clause now. Beats the hell out of 3 months down the line all of a sudden it's "hey didn't get my rematch". This way he can lose, and be away from the title picture for a while with no cheap way back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 23:47:28 GMT -5
Pretty sure this is because of the Rematch Clause, nothing more. Only way they'd let Cena get the belt back would be if Rollins cashes in, but they're not going to do it that so soon on a B-PPV. They sky isn't falling. They don't always do the rematch clause thing. For instance, Orton still hasn't gotten a one-on-one shot since losing the title at Mania.
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Post by Orange on Aug 19, 2014 23:48:32 GMT -5
Somebody on reddit proposed a scenario I agree with.
No way in hell does this match go through. Cena's out cutting a promo pre-PPV and Lesnar comes out and injures him, preventing the match. That'll keep Cena/Lesnar in the vault for a few months to be revisited later while others can take their shot at Lesnar now.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Aug 19, 2014 23:50:03 GMT -5
This ends one way. Brock destroys Cena AGAIN, but this time, Cena taps to the kimura.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 23:50:37 GMT -5
If Lesnar beats Cena again, it'll be like losing to the division champ in Mike Tyson's Punch Out. Cena gets beat and then he has to wrestle in NXT until he gets enough wins to work his way back into the division.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 19, 2014 23:50:59 GMT -5
This is the last major Network renewal point until Mania so they need Cena/Lesnar III. No way they can hold off right now. Pretty sure this is because of the Rematch Clause, nothing more. Only way they'd let Cena get the belt back would be if Rollins cashes in, but they're not going to do it that so soon on a B-PPV. They sky isn't falling. They don't always do the rematch clause thing. For instance, Orton still hasn't gotten a one-on-one shot since losing the title at Mania. Which has been Orton's major complaint lately and the whole reason he's feuding with Reigns.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 19, 2014 23:51:21 GMT -5
Pretty sure this is because of the Rematch Clause, nothing more. Only way they'd let Cena get the belt back would be if Rollins cashes in, but they're not going to do it that so soon on a B-PPV. They sky isn't falling. They don't always do the rematch clause thing. For instance, Orton still hasn't gotten a one-on-one shot since losing the title at Mania. Cena has access to the Batista Game Genie code for unlimited title shots anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 23:52:19 GMT -5
If this match has to happen, there neeeeeeds to be a big stip surrounding it. Me personally, a Lesnar/Cena HIAC match could be fecking amazing.
Either that or something screwy happens with Cena and the match doesn't go through. Otherwise, no way Brock is gonna lose the title.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 19, 2014 23:56:55 GMT -5
If this match has to happen, there neeeeeeds to be a big stip surrounding it. Me personally, a Lesnar/Cena HIAC match could be fecking amazing. Either that or something screwy happens with Cena and the match doesn't go through. Otherwise, no way Brock is gonna lose the title. Just like there was no way Lesnar was going to lose at the Extreme Rules match?
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Post by slaughterama on Aug 19, 2014 23:58:23 GMT -5
If the plan is to have Lesnar drop the belt at Mania to Reigns or Bryan, than you have to do something with him until then. There's 6 more PPVs until Mania. He needs 6 matches. A rubber match with Cena was obviously going to be one of them. Leaves him with 5 more matches before Mania. You could basically pull from any of Sheamus, Orton, Jericho, Show, Ambrose, Ziggler, or maybe even RVD or Cesaro for HIAC, Survivor Series, TLC, & The Rumble. Have Lesnar barely threatened in any of those matches. Put him in the Chamber and have him enter last and eliminate everyone in dominating fashion. Sends him into Mania with the belt and looking absolutely untouchable.
The challenge is to book interesting feuds for the undercard if the main event is just going to be Lesnar destroying someone.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 20, 2014 0:02:22 GMT -5
I'm glad so many of you share my zeal for a Lesnar-Sheamus match.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 20, 2014 0:07:12 GMT -5
If the plan is to have Lesnar drop the belt at Mania to Reigns or Bryan, than you have to do something with him until then. There's 6 more PPVs until Mania. He needs 6 matches. A rubber match with Cena was obviously going to be one of them. Leaves him with 5 more matches before Mania. You could basically pull from any of Sheamus, Orton, Jericho, Show, Ambrose, Ziggler, or maybe even RVD or Cesaro for HIAC, Survivor Series, TLC, & The Rumble. Have Lesnar barely threatened in any of those matches. Put him in the Chamber and have him enter last and eliminate everyone in dominating fashion. Sends him into Mania with the belt and looking absolutely untouchable. The challenge is to book interesting feuds for the undercard if the main event is just going to be Lesnar destroying someone. Exactly. Besides who could they build up to even be remotely credible by the next PPV. Just watch for the recently repushed midcarder that starts winning matches next. He'll be the sacrificial lamb after Cena. I'm glad so many of you share my zeal for a Lesnar-Sheamus match. I wouldn't mind this at all. Said it before and I'll say it again, I love me some big ole' hoss matches, especially when they both can go, like these 2 can.
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Post by Dean F'n Ambrose on Aug 20, 2014 0:09:38 GMT -5
Is it a "No suplex match" ? Otherwise I don't see how Cena will win, Seth tries to cash in, Ambrose returns and screws up the cash in.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Aug 20, 2014 0:11:50 GMT -5
Its the only match they have I think. Lesnar will lose the belt, because who else will face him at the next ppv? I think what Paul Heyman said is true, Lesnar's defenses are must see. It'll be memorable seeing him wreck everybody. It doesn't have to be somebody who will beat him, because well, he could just keep winning his defenses for quite a while. Which would be excellent and epic I'd say. I don't think they do the bold awesomeness they did at Summerslam to undo it five weeks later, no doubt in my mind, Brock will be holding onto that belt for a good run. That said, I don't see the need for the rematch, a story explanation of Cena is hurt and needs time to heal would've worked, and we could move on in Brock's reign. But, naturally a rematch would happen sooner or later, I'm hoping this just gets it out of the way and Cena doesn't get another shot at Brock. Cena is going to lose, for sure. Hopefully still a clean loss! A monster heel like this is unique at this point and something special. You can't top what they did last time, but here's hoping!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 0:26:11 GMT -5
Is it a "No suplex match" ? Otherwise I don't see how Cena will win, Seth tries to cash in, Ambrose returns and screws up the cash in. Ambrose steals briefcase?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 20, 2014 0:27:16 GMT -5
I'm glad so many of you share my zeal for a Lesnar-Sheamus match. That'd be fun. The Irishman is able to absorb the punishment for a lil bit before just getting overwhelmed.
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