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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 20, 2014 5:48:04 GMT -5
I'll be rather pissed if Cena wins after that arse kicking.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 20, 2014 6:06:36 GMT -5
This is the unfortunate legacy of the Attitude Era. Having a PPV every month and having "superstars" face each other on such a regular basis (including RAW) burns out feuds in weeks when back in the day, they'd take months, or even years to play out.
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Post by r. on Aug 20, 2014 6:59:40 GMT -5
Why do you people see Lesnar losing? Lesnar looks so right with this title Because the Brock/Cena match finish was probably booked when Vince was taking a senior nap and when he woke he shit himself silly when he saw his goldenboy wasn't booked as superman.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 7:07:04 GMT -5
After sitting with it, I like this, because it makes it less likely that they're doing a big ol' Cena redemption story. Just getting his rematch, which his character would undoubtedly take, out of the way.
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Post by angryfan on Aug 20, 2014 7:15:49 GMT -5
After sitting with it, I like this, because it makes it less likely that they're doing a big ol' Cena redemption story. Just getting his rematch, which his character would undoubtedly take, out of the way. Thing is, if ten years have showed us anything, they WILL do the redemption storyline because they've done it with every loss when they didn't go the "ha ha, I lost, but seriously guys, the champ is here" route. Someone has to, eventually, beat Brock, and the unfortunate side effect of WWE's singular booking is that, if it's a big angle, they have exactly one guy who they go to. They want, and with anyone else, Brock losing to be Andre being slammed at Mania. That's how they WANT it received. Bryan doeds it, Ambrose does it, hell even Reigns does it since he's the Golden Boy in waiting, and it could go that way. Cena does it, and it'd be like Bruno coming back at Mania 3 to "defend Hogan's honor" and kicking Andre's ass.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 20, 2014 7:19:13 GMT -5
Cena will put up a stronger fight this time up but Brock is still going to murk his ass.
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Post by RI Richmark on Aug 20, 2014 7:19:42 GMT -5
It looks like Cena's getting the title back. All the pieces fit.
First, I don't think the WWE wants it's champion sitting taking 4-6 months off between matches like Lesnar does and I don't see Lesnar agreeing to work more dates. I would like to see Lesnar be like "I'll defend the title when I want to" but I just don't see the WWE going that route.
And I just don't think the WWE would let Cena (their top FULL TIME performer) look like a complete chump without giving him a chance to redeem himself.
Bottom line, I think Lesnar was brought in to bring in buyrates/Network subscriptions, but nothing long term. Maybe after Cena wins Rollins finally cashes in and becomes the champion and maybe he gets a good run until WrestleMania but it won't be Brock.
I understand why many are upset. I would have liked to see Lesnar as this monster heel champion too and give the man who finally conquers him (Roman Reigns) a huge push but I just don't see the WWE going in that direction.
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Post by angryfan on Aug 20, 2014 7:38:27 GMT -5
It looks like Cena's getting the title back. All the pieces fit. First, I don't think the WWE wants it's champion sitting taking 4-6 months off between matches like Lesnar does and I don't see Lesnar agreeing to work more dates. I would like to see Lesnar be like "I'll defend the title when I want to" but I just don't see the WWE going that route. And I just don't think the WWE would let Cena (their top FULL TIME performer) look like a complete chump without giving him a chance to redeem himself. Bottom line, I think Lesnar was brought in to bring in buyrates/Network subscriptions, but nothing long term. Maybe after Cena wins Rollins finally cashes in and becomes the champion and maybe he gets a good run until WrestleMania but it won't be Brock. I understand why many are upset. I would have liked to see Lesnar as this monster heel champion too and give the man who finally conquers him (Roman Reigns) a huge push but I just don't see the WWE going in that direction. And that's sad, that last sentence. Brock is the closest thing we have in this era to Andre. I keep going to that analogy, but it fits. He's not One Man Gang, he's not Quake, he's not Bam Bam, or one of the other monster du jour heels. He's a big, athletic dude who looks the part of a serial killer, who has done "legitimate" fighting and destroyed people at it. He's a guy who, wherever he goes, people know who he is and what he has done. You beat Brock and you're (in kayfabe) better than those he's beaten because of HOW he wins, not because he wins. You don't feed one of your most marketable selling points (Takear's streak) to a guy to "pop a buyrate", and you don't have the "golden boy" get HulkSMASH'ed to do that either. Logic, pure and simple logic that you learn in creative writing 101, says that you must now build someone to "do the impossible". Getting a win back or "winning the rubber match" (if we conveniently forget all the Cena/Lesnar interactions and think of NoC as their third ever encounter) is far too simplistic for this. I know WWE doesn't want a "part time" champion, but if any of them stop and think for five seconds, they'll realize that that's what they had with Hogan for a decade. His lack of weekly appearances (save for video packages) masde the times he did show up mean that much more, and did in fact "pop ratings". We have the best of both words now. We can have Brock do sporadic appearances, making the times he shows up special, and we can have Heyman out there every week cutting promos and talking people in the building, as well as getting his ass kicked like a good heel manager should. If, however, they go to the "Gotta have Cena because publicity" card, then they are essentially flushing money away. I, like you, don't see them thinking that way though.
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Post by Arrow on Aug 20, 2014 7:53:11 GMT -5
I second (third?) the idea that it should be an "I Quit" match. If they're really committed to Brock Lesnar being a champion in the long-term, to the point where they'd start by having him end the Streak, they might as well go all out and have him do something else impossible: make Cena give up. He'd look even more unstoppable then.
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Post by Deadman Inc on Aug 20, 2014 9:32:15 GMT -5
I second (third?) the idea that it should be an "I Quit" match. If they're really committed to Brock Lesnar being a champion in the long-term, to the point where they'd start by having him end the Streak, they might as well go all out and have him do something else impossible: make Cena give up. He'd look even more unstoppable then. This is what I've been saying in the build up to SS and fallout threads. Brock does what no one else has done for the last 10 years...makes Cena give up. It will be epic, it will make people talk. It will be a clear message to the Universe that this is a new era for WWE and get people interested again. Having Cena tap almost certainly means he would need to turn. You break Cena's will and the fans truly turn on him, so he finally snaps. Brock can make his sporadic appearance and Cena can be the dastardly heel we see every week lashing out, filling the weekly need for a big heel, without needing the title to do so.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 20, 2014 9:37:13 GMT -5
The only way this may work imo is if Cena realises he can't outfight or outwrestle Brock so cheats to win. Hits a low-blow and a role up holding the tights or something after getting destroyed most of the match. That for me would be an acceptable outcome and a massive bit of character development for Cena, having to actually resort to cheating to overcome the odds.
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Post by RBD on Aug 20, 2014 9:44:18 GMT -5
Without having seen the announcement, is there any chance this could turn into an angle where Cena will be forced to 'quit' and back out of the rematch? It makes a certain amount of sense in storyline for The Authority to put Cena in a position between suffering the automatic rematch or admitting defeat, but it makes little booking sense for them to go through with the rematch at this point. Just a thought.
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Post by Adam Black on Aug 20, 2014 9:45:44 GMT -5
They're gonna make Lesnar destroy Cena again so Reigns would look cool as f*** when he beats him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 9:55:55 GMT -5
There needs to be a spot in the match where Lesnar pulls Cena up at a 2 count to give more punishment.
Then still wins.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 20, 2014 10:03:08 GMT -5
There needs to be a spot in the match where Lesnar pulls Cena up at a 2 count to give more punishment. Then still wins. Well, if they're gonna borrow more things from WWE video games, might as well borrow the thing I do in my matches.
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 20, 2014 10:09:43 GMT -5
I get the feeling this will lead to a scenario where we end up getting cena vs rollins vs ambrose vs brock in HITC. Granted, that would actually probably rule.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Aug 20, 2014 10:11:47 GMT -5
It'll be so disappointing if they just put the belt straight back on Cena
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 10:13:07 GMT -5
i hope, that it's gonna be squash too
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Post by hossfan on Aug 20, 2014 10:22:28 GMT -5
All the people who want someone else to be the guy to dethrone Brock should be doing cartwheels Cena is getting his rematch so soon, because there's no way WWE is switching the title off Lesnar at this time. They'll be a rematch, and either Cena loses after a more valiant effort than before or there's some kind of crazy finish to set up the final showdown at Hell in the Cell.
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Post by Juice on Aug 20, 2014 10:54:56 GMT -5
I see two things happening. The first being Lesnar wins a hard fought victory. Or two Lesnar loses due to outside interference that will set up his next feud.
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