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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 28, 2014 12:42:40 GMT -5
You said there was no version of Batman...I gave you one.
My version of the monomyth isn't cheap, cuz it's not MY version. It's Campbell's straight from Hero with a Thousand Faces and the Power of Myth.
It seems like you can define any story with it because you CAN. That's the entire point. That's why it's called MONOmyth.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 28, 2014 12:57:07 GMT -5
it's not in his personality. Cena doesn't do fear. And he shouldn't. And who says he's trying to make Brock afraid? Cena does do fear. (the demon kid). He just forgets he was afraid the next night because his character has a severe Bi-Polar disorder. All kidding aside, the character really does. And it all makes sense when you realize the deranged imbecile who writes him suffers from that same calamity. Vince makes no sense and is irrationally inconsistent in every day life. So no wonder his perfect avatar exhibits those same traits. It all makes sense. Cena is like one of those surrogate puppets from that Bruce Willis movie that Grandpa Loony Vince gets to virtually man to his heart's content. Cena's bi...oh...
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 28, 2014 12:57:31 GMT -5
Jeez, when's the last time a Cena thread got this many pages? None of Clash's threads ran this long.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 28, 2014 15:48:48 GMT -5
Yes they did. It's the central core of the film.
Nope. They have to show it. They cannot rely on fans thinking about it between episodes of RAWS.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 28, 2014 16:13:27 GMT -5
Gord one Jorhn.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 28, 2014 16:58:02 GMT -5
Yes they did. It's the central core of the film. Nope. They have to show it. They cannot rely on fans thinking about it between episodes of RAWS. it still doesn't add up to the weeks of real time it would show. And considering the number of forums to talk about WWE I don't see why they can't rely on fans thinking about it between Raws. We're thinking about the Brock/Cena story right now after all.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 28, 2014 16:59:08 GMT -5
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 28, 2014 17:26:23 GMT -5
My favorite hero's journey is when I order a Meatball sub from the Wawa, and then proceed to eat it and then digest it for days, and after a week, I get another one!
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 28, 2014 17:33:58 GMT -5
Well that's because it's a film, and in a film, time goes by more quickly because it's a film, and a skilled writer doesn't require real time in order to tell a compelling and effective story.
Because the burden is not on the fans to imagine Cena's complete and total recovery from his beating. The burden is on WWE to show the various stages of that process, if they insist on conveying it, via their numerous television programmes.
Forums are irrelevant to the entire issue.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 28, 2014 18:10:43 GMT -5
Well that's because it's a film, and in a film, time goes by more quickly because it's a film, and a skilled writer doesn't require real time in order to tell a compelling and effective story. Because the burden is not on the fans to imagine Cena's complete and total recovery from his beating. The burden is on WWE to show the various stages of that process, if they insist on conveying it, via their numerous television programmes. Forums are irrelevant to the entire issue. Monty Python reenact the current mrjl vs. Hit Girl debate. What will the black knight mrjl pull next from his self-perceived infinite (but truly empty) bag of tricks? Stay tuned to find out.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 29, 2014 1:40:31 GMT -5
Your hero should under no circumstances be completely unafraid and unfazed by the villain. Even a Green Lantern, whose entire thing is that they are without fear and their powers work best when they are strong-willed, do not laugh at every opponent they meet and refuse to react emotionally to things. If John Cena's character is seriously that, then it's an objectively bad character from literally every storytelling standpoint.
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Post by King Devitt on Aug 29, 2014 2:55:30 GMT -5
See, him having his doubts and not knowing if he could even face Brock again would be interesting. That would actually sell the vulnerability that they tried to push so hard throughout the show and make the guy a well rounded character. Nope, he's gonna "make a statement to Brock!" Because even after getting his ass kicked Cena can't legitimately be vulnerable. Honestly I still don't see how three of his weak looking finishers was supposed to make him look badass. Admittedly not a fan of the guy, but that's just bad writing. Lock in the STF on one of the Wyatt's and don't let go while making Cena scream face. Three AA's?....yyyyyyyeah....that's got Brock shaking in his boots.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 3:02:54 GMT -5
One thing that bares mentioning, it's not like the hero can never be confident or certain he can handle something. It's just that... Y'know, it shouldn't be directly after receiving a major ass-kicking. Now's not the point in the story for Cena to be saying, "I'm going to beat Lesnar, I guarantee it!" He should be expressing uncertainty, or reevaluating his gameplan or something. I said earlier, he should be retooling his moveset to be built entirely around getting the STF on from any position, because that was the closest he came to doing any actual damage to Lesnar given he completely shrugged off the AA and everything else Cena through at him.
And really, it's not even that the hero can't ever curbstomp someone.* It's just that it should not be happening immediately after a major beating the likes Cena took; after Bane broke his back, it's not like they immediately had Bruce punch Scarecrow out when he tried to attack the hospital he was in in order to establish he was still a threat. That sort of thing tends to happen mainly when they're building up for something on the horizon, like say at the start of the story as Bane's setting his sights on him before they ever meet. And it also should not be a major villain who's still expected to be a threat getting punked out like that; WWE seems to forget that wrestling is an ongoing narrative, so you need to be trying to keep everyone as credible as possible with a clear direction to their character because unlike a lot of other stories, after the hero slays the dragon the dragon still needs to hang around to go fight a different hero.
*Not just saying that because I have that going on in one of my comics right now.
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