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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 18, 2014 14:23:28 GMT -5
Where do the results stand so far?
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Sept 18, 2014 14:26:48 GMT -5
Where do the results stand so far? The first results come in at 01:30 GMT.
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Post by Psy on Sept 18, 2014 15:17:40 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 18, 2014 15:53:56 GMT -5
Locking for a couple hours while I go start dinner. If another mod's here watching the thread, please unlock it. I'll keep an eye on it for a bit.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Sept 18, 2014 16:05:54 GMT -5
I'm hoping that NO wins. I visit Scotland quite regularly to go to Knockhill Race Track etc. would be ashame to see them go. I of course know what you mean but we are still here for you to visit regardless After much deliberation, I voted Yes today. Working in the public sector in adult education (I work for a university), I am a passionate believer in widening access and participation in education regardless of financial, social or any other barrier. I believe that access to tertiary, higher education should be based on intelligence and aptitude, and not on whether you can afford it or not. The Scottish Government have committed to continuing to offer free university education to all, and not the sky high fees that students in England and Wales have to pay (that recently tripled in some areas, which I am horrified at ). I did not have to pay for my degree, which came as a result of the taxes paid by people across the UK, for which I am forever indebted to. Devo-max was up for suggestion by the Scottish Government when discussing what would be involved in the 2012 Edinburgh Agreement and the subsequent question "Should Scotland be an independent country?". The PM turned down the third devo-max option, however is now, along with the two other major party leaders, pledging that if Scotland votes No they will guarantee more powers to the country. There are now MPs who have come out and expressed that they would veto any bills that are put through in the House of Commons to give these additional powers to Scotland, effectively removing the guarantee the leaders pledged. Cameron is going to need to keep his backbenchers sweet and stop them from a possible revolt when we have a UK general election in eight months time. Of course, recent stories (the report of £450million cut from the budget of NHS Scotland post-indy) have worried me but I also think British politics is fundamentally broken, the poorest in this country (and I mean UK wide here) seem to be punished for the conditions they live in, where in many instances it is absolutely not their fault (the Bedroom Tax for example is one of the most damaging pieces of legislation in modern politics). If someone is offering to make even the slightest difference to the lives of their people, I think it has to be taken. I really feel for the northern cities of England, who often feel that they have more in common with Scotland than London and southern England, in terms of similar demographics, and their views are not being represented properly in Westminster (there is one Conservative MP in Scotland, but there is a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition governing the UK). This may lead to a deeper discussion of the way the UK is governed. Perhaps some of my reasoning has been heart over head, and head over heart on others but that's the decision I came to . I also got slightly fed up with media bias, but I'll just leave that one there. Regardless of the result of the vote tonight/tomorrow, I think that the UK has been seriously damaged. Not only between country and country, but within local communities. Living in Glasgow where Yes and No ideologies have often times been attached to other things where they absolutely should not be, i.e. religion, sectarianism, football teams (I know these subject areas are a taboo on here but for the sake of my argument and my experience, it had to be said there). It has resulted in warring neighbourhoods, vandalism and violence on other people, some of this is never reported. And I am not saying that one side is morally superior or 'behaves better' than another as I have seen evidence of these actions on both sides (99% of the campaigning has been fantastic from both sides). Where I live, there has been horrific graffiti written on someone's property (I'm not going to say from what side of the debate it was written in favour of). Vandalising ones home, and where the homeowner had not even displayed a particular stance, is just incredibly sad to see, and I wonder if that particular person is really that engaged or is just being nasty for nasty's sake. So, with the polling stations just closing, whatever the result of the referendum is we are going to have to live with it, and a lot of people are not going to be happy either way. Scotland is never going to be the same again. Tomorrow, Friday 19th September, is going to be the start of something different. A line will be drawn under the 'history of the United Kingdom' and a new chapter will be written. I just hope that we are able to rebuild relationships as either one larger country or as new neighbours.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Sept 18, 2014 16:24:07 GMT -5
Just heard that a polling station in Falkirk closed six hours ago due to 100% turnout. Fantastic!!!
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 18, 2014 16:29:03 GMT -5
High turnout is excellent news, since I know that a previous vote was in question if it reflected the will of the Scottish, since it was unclear if a lot of the absentee voters were disinterested in voting or if they knew that by not voting, they were essentially voting "no" anyway, since there needed to be a certain threshold met.
This will be at least less ambiguous.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Sept 18, 2014 16:38:03 GMT -5
High turnout is excellent news, since I know that a previous vote was in question if it reflected the will of the Scottish, since it was unclear if a lot of the absentee voters were disinterested in voting or if they knew that by not voting, they were essentially voting "no" anyway, since there needed to be a certain threshold met. This will be at least less ambiguous. Very true. I had seen that this had been making its way around social media.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 16:48:18 GMT -5
Exit poll: 54% NO.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 18, 2014 16:48:51 GMT -5
Well yesterday I asked my my mother who was born in Scotland if she could vote what would be it and her response was be careful what they wish for because they might find life outside the UK might not be so great when they have to foot the bill themselves.
I just hope I can still renew UK Passport if Scotland does vote yes.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Sept 18, 2014 17:14:24 GMT -5
expect a BIG fall in SNP votes if it is a no vote, and a BIG rise in UKIP votes ..... because i'll be one of them!
we don't vote to leave the union ..... we STRENGTHEN IT!
europe's next, only if cameron has the stomach to actually put the EU referendum out there, but they'd have to be a bit of a swing for labour though
the lib dems are irrelevant
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 18, 2014 17:21:13 GMT -5
...but I also think British politics is fundamentally broken, . If someone is offering to make even the slightest difference to the lives of their people, I think it has to be taken. Whatever happens with this vote it's great to see democracy closer to what it should be, Scottish people are being listened too and receiving a genuine choice on an important issue and as such are much more invested in the whole process. The figures I've seen said there was a 84% voter turnout which is far greater than any other election/vote in recent memory. Hopefully that momentum and passion can be kept to make changes elsewhere rather than sticking to variations of the same thing, especially after the widespread dejection with politics after instances like Clegg pledging to abolish tuition fees and then supporting the decision to triple them (in England). It already seems more likely we'll get an English parliament. The rest of your post was great too btw I just didn't want to quote it all.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Sept 18, 2014 18:00:44 GMT -5
expect a BIG fall in SNP votes if it is a no vote, and a BIG rise in UKIP votes ..... because i'll be one of them! we don't vote to leave the union ..... we STRENGTHEN IT! europe's next, only if cameron has the stomach to actually put the EU referendum out there, but they'd have to be a bit of a swing for labour though the lib dems are irrelevant Can I ask why you would vote UKIP?
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Post by Milkman Norm on Sept 18, 2014 18:02:51 GMT -5
If Scotland votes for independence then do the UK and Scotland agree to a free boarder independent of Europe or do both join the Schengen Area?
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Post by Square on Sept 18, 2014 18:26:54 GMT -5
If Scotland votes for independence then do the UK and Scotland agree to a free boarder independent of Europe or do both join the Schengen Area? We're already prepared (Hadrian's Wall was built by the Romans to stop the Celts attacking northern England in 112AD and is generally seen as the border for England and Scotland)
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Post by Milkman Norm on Sept 18, 2014 18:32:33 GMT -5
For what? Serious question here. I know there's going to be a 2 year period for setting terms if Yes wins but any ideas how Scotland will Handle it's boarders? Not just it's boarder with England but with continental's flying into Glasgow or Edinburgh or anywhere else? Will it be an open boarder? Will it be closed? Will Scotland join the EU?
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Post by Square on Sept 18, 2014 18:34:41 GMT -5
For what? Serious question here. I know there's going to be a 2 year period for setting terms if Yes wins but any ideas how Scotland will Handle it's boarders? Not just it's boarder with England but with continental's flying into Glasgow or Edinburgh or anywhere else? Will it be an open boarder? Will it be closed? Will Scotland join the EU? These are unanswered questions. We don't know unless there is a yes vote.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Sept 18, 2014 18:35:49 GMT -5
Fair point.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Sept 18, 2014 18:36:56 GMT -5
expect a BIG fall in SNP votes if it is a no vote, and a BIG rise in UKIP votes ..... because i'll be one of them! we don't vote to leave the union ..... we STRENGTHEN IT! europe's next, only if cameron has the stomach to actually put the EU referendum out there, but they'd have to be a bit of a swing for labour though the lib dems are irrelevant Can I ask why you would vote UKIP? i don't want to be part of ANOTHER political union, and i'm damn well NEVER EVER going to vote tory and since no one else is offering this but UKIP .....
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 18, 2014 18:52:53 GMT -5
I'm not Scottish, but I am kinda stunned that things could get so heated and close given that some major issues still haven't been sorted (or even given Plan B consideration about) on the Yes campaign's side. So much seems to be either "we'll negotiate it after" or "doesn't matter what they all say, we say this is the case."
Feels too soon to do it. But it's Scotland's choice and right that they get a chance to vote.
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