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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Sept 18, 2014 18:59:18 GMT -5
so who would do that BEFORE a vote like this then? no one would waste their time doing the negotiations and then find out the vote went the other way ..... it's simple common sense really!
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 18, 2014 19:00:43 GMT -5
so who would do that BEFORE a vote like this then? no one would waste their time doing the negotiations and then find out the vote went the other way ..... it's simple common sense really! On the other hand you could always argue that if you have these major questions sorted out beforehand you have a better chance of winning over swing voters to your side.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Sept 18, 2014 19:03:29 GMT -5
You know many Pueto Rico has had the change to break away from the U.S. and they have never voted yes on independence, not even close, if on their first chance to break away from England they vote yes, what does that say of how bad things are between those two parties.
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 18, 2014 19:07:53 GMT -5
so who would do that BEFORE a vote like this then? no one would waste their time doing the negotiations and then find out the vote went the other way ..... it's simple common sense really! There is NOTHING set out about the pound, for example, apart from Salmond saying "We'll have the pound, no-one can stop Scotland having it." Not "here's WHY we can have the pound" or "here's the plan of we don't", just he said/she said stuff without budging. On something as big as this, if I was voting whether to detach England from the rest of the UK, I'd sure as hell want some pre-planning and firmer answers ahead of time, yeah.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 18, 2014 19:08:56 GMT -5
You know many Pueto Rico has had the change to break away from the U.S. and they have never voted yes on independence, not even close, if on their first chance to break away from England they vote yes, what does that say of how bad things are between those two parties. It's not the first time this has come to a vote, it's happened at least one other time. That had more votes for "Yes", but not enough for the majority needed to go forward.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Sept 18, 2014 19:14:17 GMT -5
scottish notes are issued by retail banks and not BoE but that wasn't the issue, the issue was their VALUE against the BoE
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Post by Wailing Fungus on Sept 18, 2014 19:14:36 GMT -5
Reading turnouts in the 80 and 90 percents in a few councils, according to the BBC on Twitter, which is really awesome.
As a pessimistic Englishman looking from the outside in, I'd have voted no.
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Post by mattperiolat on Sept 18, 2014 19:17:27 GMT -5
This is heart vs head for me, but given I'm a Yank, my opinion counts for nothing.
Logic, the head, says Scotland leaving would have serious economic repercussions on both sides and it remains to be seen if Scotland is truly ready to stand on its own and how to handle the fallout from this decision.
Passion, the heart, says let Scotland go since if it goes, there is hope that the North Counties can finally be returned to Ireland. Plus, I dunno, I do believe Scotland could pull it together, stand on their own and be their own nation with their own place in the world.
Either way, I watch with bated breath and deep fascination what tomorrow will bring.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 18, 2014 19:24:41 GMT -5
Regardless of the result, I must say, that if the result is, "Yes", I am happy that this decision was done with the pen, and not the sword.
Far too many independences have come at the cost of blood.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Sept 18, 2014 19:30:18 GMT -5
clachmannanshire vote NO
16350 YES 19036 NO
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 18, 2014 19:34:30 GMT -5
so who would do that BEFORE a vote like this then? no one would waste their time doing the negotiations and then find out the vote went the other way ..... it's simple common sense really! This isn't ordering from a restaurant or going to the movies, it's a world-changing decision. Those meetings wouldn't be a waste of time, they'd be a vital part in showing that you know what you're doing, engendering the public to your cause, that this isn't something you did on the fly. You can't wing a country, you need a plan going into it and to build a plan you need to meet with all of the people who make decisions so you know what you're getting in to.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 18, 2014 19:39:39 GMT -5
so who would do that BEFORE a vote like this then? no one would waste their time doing the negotiations and then find out the vote went the other way ..... it's simple common sense really! This isn't ordering from a restaurant or going to the movies, it's a world-changing decision. Those meetings wouldn't be a waste of time, they'd be a vital part in showing that you know what you're doing, engendering the public to your cause, that this isn't something you did on the fly. You can't wing a country, you need a plan going into it and to build a plan you need to meet with all of the people who make decisions so you know what you're getting in to. This costs money, is the main problem. Answers to things like this take committees, and they don't work for free. Beyond that, many of these conversations would not even be entertained in the current state of matters. No country is going to talk to them in any official capacity about this before a vote even went through, since the alternative would be infuriating England to treat with Scotland before it's even a thing yet. It'd be looked at as butting in.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Sept 18, 2014 19:43:22 GMT -5
so who would do that BEFORE a vote like this then? no one would waste their time doing the negotiations and then find out the vote went the other way ..... it's simple common sense really! This isn't ordering from a restaurant or going to the movies, it's a world-changing decision. Those meetings wouldn't be a waste of time, they'd be a vital part in showing that you know what you're doing, engendering the public to your cause, that this isn't something you did on the fly. You can't wing a country, you need a plan going into it and to build a plan you need to meet with all of the people who make decisions so you know what you're getting in to. they did .....
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 18, 2014 20:02:59 GMT -5
This costs money, is the main problem. Answers to things like this take committees, and they don't work for free. Beyond that, many of these conversations would not even be entertained in the current state of matters. No country is going to talk to them in any official capacity about this before a vote even went through, since the alternative would be infuriating England to treat with Scotland before it's even a thing yet. It'd be looked at as butting in. I don't really think that's true. A lot of governments at least have conversations with non-governmental. It's important for intelligence. They're not going to be establishing embassies, but to call it common sense to not waste time just makes it sound like they're rushing in. They're not going to talk with England, obviously, but it's not something you have to wait for an official degree of separation to discuss. Even then, it's not all just government entities. Nothing about the basics, like currency or funding for services, should be up in the air. A plan for everything should be stated, even if you haven't gotten everything in order. If the yes side wants to blame it all on biased reporting, then I could accept it. I just can't accept the idea that it's a waste of time to have all the plans for how you're actually going to implement your country open and public and spread across the world and have met with as many people who will meet with you.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 18, 2014 20:05:43 GMT -5
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Post by horsemen4ever on Sept 18, 2014 20:06:56 GMT -5
I remember my town had a similar a couple of years ago, we had to vote weather or not to continue to be part district 9 of the sanitation department, or merge with another district and both districts share the same garbage truck company, in other words vote of what garbage company that we would have, so yay this is pretty much the same thing, so I know the people of Scottland feels.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Sept 18, 2014 20:15:33 GMT -5
Orkney votes No Yes - 4,883 No - 10,004
Result was apparently expected in Orkney. 2 down, 30 more constituencies still to go.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Sept 18, 2014 20:49:39 GMT -5
Shetland votes No Yes - 5,669 No - 9,951
Like Orkney, Shetland was an expected No vote.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 21:04:36 GMT -5
Comhairle NAN Eilean Siar voted No
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Sept 18, 2014 21:05:09 GMT -5
Eilean Siar votes No Yes - 9,195 No - 10,544
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