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Post by Heeltown, USA on Apr 5, 2015 0:05:25 GMT -5
Five pages in, I wanna throw this out there.
To any detractors towards Tonga/Haku/Meng, herefore mentioned as Haku, you can't knock the man for not being "professionally" trained. The man was trained in sumo. Anyone with a smidgen of knowledge knows that ain't just eating noodles and slapping.
Sumo dojos are the basis of the long vaunted Puro dojos. Haku had hard discipline driven into him during formative years.
Is Brock a professional fighter? Yuuup. But take him away from the bright lights of the octagon and Bruce Buffer's voice, you might just take him out of his element.
A street fight is wholly different from an MMA bout.
We all, I hope, know someone in our life that may not look like a beast, but inside of them we know they are a bad, dangerous person to f*** with.
Haku is that.
I voted Brock a couple days ago, but as this thread has matured and Ive really thought about it. And it comes to this, objectively speaking as Haku and Brock being the same age;
In a street/bar fight, ya, Im taking Haku
In an organized, promoted, sanctioned fight? Well I just dont know. Which prolly speaks volumes of Haku seeing as how he never appeared in such a scene while Brock has.
The toughest, most dangerous people in this world never look like a muscled up cagefighter. Ive got 2 black belts and a lifetime of experience in karate and the real world telling me that.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 5, 2015 0:06:39 GMT -5
Brock. He's a highly trained monster of a man who proved he's one of the toughest men on the planet. Meng is just a glorified street thug who made a reputation beating up drunks. *searches for Haku's email address to send the link to the quoted post*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 3:55:02 GMT -5
People arguing for Haku because of his "street" experience saying this is being overlooked are doing just that to Brock. Like Brock would stick by an Athletic Commission in a fight.
Bas Rutten argued this point by saying he is professionally trained to fight dirty too - you learn that when you learn clean by what isn't there. I still take Brock in a brawl where glass meets eye.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Apr 5, 2015 4:39:56 GMT -5
People put entirely too much stock in "fighting dirty." I mean, okay, I know this is a little bit "we got a badass over here" but I bounced for some time in a really wild bar. Even now, I make my living doing contract security. Trust me, violence is a very real part of my life that I spend a lot of my time avoiding but it just happens. I've been doing BJJ, Judo and catch wrestling for a while now. You think anybody gets to gouge my eyes or any of that nonsense if I don't want them to? One of the first things I learned was to keep people's hands out of my face, why would I let some goon on the street do it? People don't get the chance, because the positions you learn in any grappling art exist because they limit those opportunities. Nobody's gouging your eyes while you're sitting on top of them in side control because if they try, you move your head and then punch them in the face until they stop doing it. Brock's on an entirely different, terrifying level from me or just about anybody walking the street. I don't worry too much about him fighting a guy who has had a bunch of frankly outlandish stories thrown about him. Bas Rutten has touched upon this in several interviews as he pretty much pointed out how stupid it is to think that a trained professional fighter wouldn't know how to counter/avoid basic stuff like eye gouges or that they couldn't fight outside a cage/ring because there are no rules. But seriously this is a dumb topic because why sure Meng is truly one tough son of a bitch ,the people he got into fights where with were drunks who thought they were tough and against fellow wrestlers and has no professional fighting experience whatsoever.
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