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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 22, 2015 10:03:47 GMT -5
I think this article summed up what a lot of folks have been putting to words here; people are still committed to the show/books, still want to see what happens, but don't want the series to lose sight of brought it to the forefront in the first place. io9.com/how-to-fix-what-s-wrong-with-game-of-thrones-1712355749
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jun 22, 2015 11:26:57 GMT -5
The crtics still like it fine, with a whopping 91% on Rotten Tomatoes, as do other fans. I don't really think it needs "fixing".
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 22, 2015 12:10:45 GMT -5
The crtics still like it fine, with a whopping 91% on Rotten Tomatoes, as do other fans. I don't really think it needs "fixing". The fresh vs. rotten score doesn't give you any details concerning what could still be considered legitimate gripes or concerns; a critic can basically say "Eh, I like it enough" and that counts as fresh. I think the vast majority of people still like it, still know it's well made, but there were a lot more gripes this year than in season's past. To say that nothing may need "fixing" would mean the show is perfect, which is clearly not the case (particularly this year)...hell, no show is.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jun 22, 2015 12:29:26 GMT -5
Not saying it's been perfect (the Dorne arc was awful), but some people are just impatient with things. Also in my eyes a lot of the criticism stems from things like Sansa's rape. I agree with what Martin said about how it is necessary to depict the level of sexual violence because the series is based on actual medieval history. Hence, why I don't think fixing is necessary in the terms of what people with that viewpoint believe.
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Post by Cela on Jun 22, 2015 15:29:27 GMT -5
It was an amazing season considering the absolute crap that was the last two books. Random Dorne bs, plotlines to nowhere, and Dany gets diarrhea, great writing!
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 22, 2015 15:57:37 GMT -5
It was an amazing season considering the absolute crap that was the last two books. Random Dorne bs, plotlines to nowhere, and Dany gets diarrhea, great writing! EDIT: Language, I guess.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 22, 2015 16:32:20 GMT -5
Not saying it's been perfect (the Dorne arc was awful), but some people are just impatient with things. Also in my eyes a lot of the criticism stems from things like Sansa's rape. I agree with what Martin said about how it is necessary to depict the level of sexual violence because the series is based on actual medieval history. Hence, why I don't think fixing is necessary in the terms of what people with that viewpoint believe. I'm sure there are some people who simply wretched at the content itself, but in fairness most of the complaints I've seen have been less about "Sansa got raped", and more about "Sansa got raped, and in the process had a ton of her character development erased and seemed like she was put right back to square one, as a damsel in distress, but now to Ramsay instead of Joffrey". In other words, while there's no denying the role sexual violence played in that era of history, it's still weak to lean on it as a "shock the audience" crutch in a visual medium in 2015; I think the article was driving at the notion that too much was done this year in an attempt to shock us rather than having shocking things happen in service to the story and to character development.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 22, 2015 18:39:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't have cared if they hadn't teased that Sansa was starting to learn how to play the game (it's time to play the game muhhahahaha) from Baelish. But nope, same old stupid-assed, eternal victim Sansa (this time with more rape).
Hell, if it weren't for the Reek-ster, she'd have been filled full of holes by Myranda and tied to a train track by Ramsay.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 22, 2015 18:40:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't have cared if they hadn't teased that Sansa was starting to learn how to play the game (it's time to play the game muhhahahaha) from Baelish. But nope, same old stupid-assed, eternal victim Sansa (this time with more rape). Hell, if it weren't for the Reek-ster, she'd have been filled full of holes by Myranda and tied to a train track by Ramsay. Can you really manipulate someone so batshit crazy like Ramsay, though?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 18:46:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't have cared if they hadn't teased that Sansa was starting to learn how to play the game (it's time to play the game muhhahahaha) from Baelish. But nope, same old stupid-assed, eternal victim Sansa (this time with more rape). Hell, if it weren't for the Reek-ster, she'd have been filled full of holes by Myranda and tied to a train track by Ramsay. Can you really manipulate someone so batshit crazy like Ramsay, though? Sure. He has a bad temper and he's a sucker for anything that allows him to be violent. He's not an intellectual and he doesn't understand how court intrigue works. His whole thing is brute force. The writers just decided to ignore his characterization, even within the same season, to make him invincible and unbreakable. This season would've worked out very well if Ramsay went in thinking he could exploit Sansa only to get assassinated at court near the end. Then Roose defeats Stannis' army, Pyrrhic Victory, North is weakened for future attack.
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Post by The Last Hero on Jun 22, 2015 22:56:12 GMT -5
If only Sansa had violently killed or tortured Myranda...Ramsay would have been putty in her hands I tells ya!
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jun 22, 2015 23:45:52 GMT -5
Can you really manipulate someone so batshit crazy like Ramsay, though? Sure. He has a bad temper and he's a sucker for anything that allows him to be violent. He's not an intellectual and he doesn't understand how court intrigue works. His whole thing is brute force. The writers just decided to ignore his characterization, even within the same season, to make him invincible and unbreakable. This season would've worked out very well if Ramsay went in thinking he could exploit Sansa only to get assassinated at court near the end. Then Roose defeats Stannis' army, Pyrrhic Victory, North is weakened for future attack. After what he did to Theon, I wouldn't underestimate his intelligence
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Post by Danimal on Jun 23, 2015 1:19:37 GMT -5
Sure. He has a bad temper and he's a sucker for anything that allows him to be violent. He's not an intellectual and he doesn't understand how court intrigue works. His whole thing is brute force. The writers just decided to ignore his characterization, even within the same season, to make him invincible and unbreakable. This season would've worked out very well if Ramsay went in thinking he could exploit Sansa only to get assassinated at court near the end. Then Roose defeats Stannis' army, Pyrrhic Victory, North is weakened for future attack. After what he did to Theon, I wouldn't underestimate his intelligence Ya, he may be a sadistic piece of crap but he's a smart one. A thug couldn't engineer the breakdown of Theon or crippling of Stannis's army. As far as this season goes in retrospect it was fairly typical. It frustrates me at times, bores me at times, then leaves me wanting more.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 23, 2015 3:23:37 GMT -5
I requested the aptly named EoE: Well There's Your Problem to make one of these banners that several users have in their signature for the people here who are now supporting the Night's King due to a drought of viable options among the main characters and here is what he came up with. Feel free to use it to proudly represent our ranks and most importantly, never, ever forget the words of our house:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 6:25:53 GMT -5
Sure. He has a bad temper and he's a sucker for anything that allows him to be violent. He's not an intellectual and he doesn't understand how court intrigue works. His whole thing is brute force. The writers just decided to ignore his characterization, even within the same season, to make him invincible and unbreakable. This season would've worked out very well if Ramsay went in thinking he could exploit Sansa only to get assassinated at court near the end. Then Roose defeats Stannis' army, Pyrrhic Victory, North is weakened for future attack. After what he did to Theon, I wouldn't underestimate his intelligence I don't think that has much of anything to do with skill at intrigue. Locking a guy up and finding odd ways to torture him takes creativity, but that hardly makes him competent at dealing with courtiers and vassals. His superiority over Sansa and wrecking Stannis' camp are two examples that are contrary to how his character has been portrayed. Prior to this season, and even during this season, we've seen him as a guy who will do anything it takes to feed his addiction for the suffering of others. He was ripe for exploitation this season for his vices to catch up to him and cost him his life. Instead, despite his overwhelming weaknesses, he's suddenly ironclad and invincible. It's not like it's a matter of him getting what he deserves, or anything like that, but when your favorite pastimes are rape and torture and you spend almost every waking moment fixated on them, it should be pretty easy for other people to turn that against you and cause you to walk right into a trap.
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Post by Perd on Aug 1, 2015 15:58:40 GMT -5
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Aug 1, 2015 16:25:25 GMT -5
The casting call for both Tarly and Euron Greyjoy had very good part and centrally involved and McShane's casting says relatively short screen time. Since they're keeping it a mystery for now, it's probably not a roll mentioned in the casting call.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Aug 3, 2015 19:18:03 GMT -5
Max Von Syndow is the new Three-Eyed Raven.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 3, 2015 19:37:00 GMT -5
Max Von Syndow is the new Three-Eyed Raven. Fantastic news. I think the show just found the person to replace Charles Dance for the job of killing it in every scene he's in. "The power of greensight compells you!"
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 3, 2015 19:49:10 GMT -5
Ian McShane has also been cast for a role in the series. His role has not been revealed yet.
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