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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 11:13:55 GMT -5
Nothing to do with logistics or gender identity Penis means she gets kept with males, but being a celebrity makes him a high profile prisoner. Meaning e stays away from gen pop. So her sentence will probably be mostly spent in jail waiting to get sentenced or fighting it. Then going to a prison to pay for her crimes among those with penises. It isn't a question of gender identity. Just since bruce said she loves females and has a penis he would have sex with other females. In prison sex is never consensual and there are consrquences like adding a month to a sentence Would you keep a female to male trans in a male population even though he looks like a guy? No because they have a vagina and will be raped. This is the divide. Bruce got the whole shebang then she'd be kept with femalesz This dude literally works around this stuff and isn't trying to spark a debate or argue any of that shit, just trying to answer the question of how she'd most likely be placed in the real world as it is now. The guy is also intentionally misgendering her among other things. It's transphobic.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Aug 21, 2015 11:19:00 GMT -5
Military prison. They're being dicks about it. They're disallowing her long hair, hormones and last week they added a crime to her sheet for "expired toothpaste in the cell". I'm not even joking. Chelsea Manning was also already in prison before she came out as trans. And they treated her like absolute shit when she was still Bradley anyway. Like, she would have a really good case for a lawsuit on multiple grounds. Not really, unless she can prove the guards violated the UCMJ and amry regulations
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 21, 2015 11:32:33 GMT -5
I'm curious to see how this fleshes out. Legally, wouldn't they have to go by Bruce, since that's what Jenner went by at the time? Not unless they fancy standing up to the Kardashian/Jenner clan's lawyers for a rich person sized lawsuit.
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 21, 2015 12:09:41 GMT -5
To be fair, even if he was, the "America is offended by everything" is a bit much at times. But I'm sure he was joking, his sentence directly following said as much. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I don't think it's a bit much at all. Considering the epidemic of violence transgender people are dealing with right now, even with the increased awareness it's hard for me to make light of the situation. They're dealing with a crisis, and I don't see how pointing that out and trying to help people understand the gravity of the situation is going anywhere near being overly offended. It's a problem that everyone should be offended by. It's not about being a "Tumblr SJW" or looking for hills to die on, or making up outrage to feel superior, or anything of the sort. It's just being decent and considerate of others. That's the whole point I was trying to make beforehand- THAT should take priority over every other issue with this prison sentence. Even then, the biggest problem here is that this is one of those situations where every possible thing they can do is wrong. The only possibility that even is remotely feasible (since in all likeliness, making whole prisons dedicated just to GLBT prisoners would open up a far, far bigger problem) would be to "universally put all trans inmates, both MtF and FtM, in women's prison"- and even that would have some problems.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Aug 21, 2015 13:04:27 GMT -5
This dude literally works around this stuff and isn't trying to spark a debate or argue any of that shit, just trying to answer the question of how she'd most likely be placed in the real world as it is now. The guy is also intentionally misgendering her among other things. It's transphobic. Hum, no he isn't. At most he accidentally used "him" at a single point but for most of his post he did refer to Jenner as a woman. Now can we please stop with the childish finger-pointing and actually have a mature discussion like adults?
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Aug 21, 2015 19:00:27 GMT -5
This thread is not-so-slowly going in to some uncomfortable territory, so I'm going to take Clash, Never a Meter Maid's revolutionary suggestion on how to handle these situations. I AM LIKE ALSO FIGHT Sorry, but I need to make a serious response here. She's a woman, period. If that's how she relates, that's how she should always be addressed. No more of this "but her equipment" stuff, people. And regardless of whether or not she serves any time or what type of prison she's assigned to, you're still misgendering her just simply by your continued referral to her as "Bruce". It's okay. Khoyathulu does not support mortal concepts like transphobia, only love and dance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 19:03:54 GMT -5
The guy is also intentionally misgendering her among other things. It's transphobic. Hum, no he isn't. At most he accidentally used "him" at a single point but for most of his post he did refer to Jenner as a woman. Now can we please stop with the childish finger-pointing and actually have a mature discussion like adults? *****
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 22, 2015 6:13:52 GMT -5
Military prison. They're being dicks about it. They're disallowing her long hair, hormones and last week they added a crime to her sheet for "expired toothpaste in the cell". I'm not even joking. Chelsea Manning was also already in prison before she came out as trans. And they treated her like absolute shit when she was still Bradley anyway. Like, she would have a really good case for a lawsuit on multiple grounds. Thing is though, she was about to get thrown out of the army for telling her commanding officer she was trans before she started the leak. They knew that far back, she just didn't state it in public.
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Post by basicdugganomix on Aug 22, 2015 12:27:48 GMT -5
I also want to say treating bruce jenner as some sort of special case and making jokes about female drivers in relation to women and grouping trans women in with god i hate the term "cis" women as one in the same is mighty offensive. They have different hardships to bear. I have a wife she had our kids. I have 4 aunts who used to be uncles. I call them aunty. They do not expect different treatment or to be coddled to. It's just way too different of a situation to group them as one in the same. Trans people have to worrry about violence, misinformation, being labled as freaks. Women have different plights.
I also think it's offensive that some people think what i wrote was hate speech. It's not. She's free to be herself.
But the reallity of her penis keeps her in prison with men.
That is all i am saying.
The fact is she gets put with males based on genitalea because she is more likely to rape female prisoners. But most likely since jenner is high profile she will spend much of her time in a special housing unit with other scum.
Oh and don't let her trans status make you think she is above scum. She drove wrecklessy and killed somebody. That makes her scum.
Her crime makes her a jackass. It makes her scum. That's what i am saying. She absolutely would deserve to go to prison. But most likely thanks to money will never step foot in one.
One year for taking a life. 5 for tax evasion.
Just saying that i have dealt with trans prisoners. They stay to themselves. Some have boyfriends. But the ones with full reassignment stay with women. The ones with penis stay with men.
That's a fact
Also saying trans and cis women are the same is like saying a chinese and black person are dealing with the same issues.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 22, 2015 12:45:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I'm also going to close this one down as well. The subject matter's getting far too loaded.
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