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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 21:39:57 GMT -5
Eva can train all she wants, it still doesn't mean people have to accept her taking up TV time and getting a push. She's not TV-ready; I don't mean that as an insult to the girl but it's a simple fact. She does not belong on a televised wrestling program at this point in time. Let her keep training so she can get to that point, but until that point, keep her the hell off of television, because her matches are embarrassingly bad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 21:41:32 GMT -5
In fairness that "decision" may have been made for her and dressed up for TV.
I dunno. During the MizTV segment and the match that followed some people were angry that the fans were irritable through the whole thing, but the reality is that unfortunately if you don't like something, that's really the most effective way to let them hear it. I think it's more a statement on the process than it's an indictment on the audience. It's hard to be really all that happy to see a woman learn to wrestle on national TV. She trained and all and is now in developmental where she should be but that first impression is already there. WWE are just getting what they get for their weird breaking in process for women.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 27, 2015 21:44:50 GMT -5
I swear we get an "Eva Marie Hate" Thread every week here anymore... whether it's a hate thread or a "Stop hating her she doesn't suck and wants to get better" Thread.
I don't even care anymore. Her matches will speak for themselves.
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Post by oneday on Aug 27, 2015 21:45:40 GMT -5
Eva can train all she wants, it still doesn't mean people have to accept her taking up TV time and getting a push. She's not TV-ready; I don't mean that as an insult to the girl but it's a simple fact. She does not belong on a televised wrestling program at this point in time. Let her keep training so she can get to that point, but until that point, keep her the hell off of television, because her matches are embarrassingly bad. While I agree she doesn't need a push against Bayley at this point in time, based on her match against KC Cassidy(?), I don't think she's that much below Carmella,Alexa, or Dana's ability in the ring. I think she is "tv ready" enough for NXT.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Aug 27, 2015 21:47:17 GMT -5
Couldn't this have just gone in the multi-page thread discussing her getting a push in NXT?
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Post by FinalGwen on Aug 27, 2015 21:47:47 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is a perfectly nice guy who must have been crushed when his big moment went down like a lead balloon and he was booed by thousands of fans. Eva's in the same boat. It's not ideal, but to convey the complex problems people have with the WWE's hiring and booking practises through audience chants is a bit awkward.
"Your hiring practises need to be reformed and aesthetics shouldn't be the top priority!" *clapclap-clapclapclap* Or maybe dueling chants of "You're ok but-" "-Not the system!"
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Aug 27, 2015 21:49:14 GMT -5
Here's the problem with Eva Marie: for months people were hyping her up because she was training with Kendrick. Because of these GIFs and Instagram videos she was showing off of some of the highlights of her training. Because they wanted to believe that somehow she had turned things around completely.
And hey, I wanted to believe it too. In all honesty, she is alot better. Really, compared to when she first showed up, it's like night and day.
But the problem is that after all that hype, she's still... not really that great. She's... passable. Yet NXT and WWE are pushing as if she's suddenly transformed into this amazing wrestler. Even though in all honesty she's not. And the people who thought otherwise are upset, because they fell for the hype, and when it didn't deliver they turned on her.
I think Eva Marie will probably get alot better, but right now she's still not there. And this idea that she should be the next face of the women's division when pretty much every other woman on the NXT Roster right now would be a better choice is not helping matters one bit.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 27, 2015 21:49:38 GMT -5
It's not helping that they're actively playing this up to get crowd heat. Hell, it's basically her gimmick at this point that she's this undeserving model type. The heat she'll get should she find herself in a title match with Bayley will be some '70s Puerto Rico shit. Like, Izzy's gonna try and stab her or something.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 21:50:16 GMT -5
While I agree she doesn't need a push against Bayley at this point in time, based on her match against KC Cassidy(?), I don't think she's that much below Carmella,Alexa, or Dana's ability in the ring. I think she is "tv ready" enough for NXT. Carmella, Alexa and Dana can at least make their finishers look good. Eva's "casually walk up the ropes to hit the Sliced Bread" is cringe-worthy, and that's the best move in her arsenal from a technique standpoint.
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Post by toodarkmark on Aug 27, 2015 22:00:23 GMT -5
She's insultingly bad. It hurts to watch her wrestle. It's cringe-worthy. Sorry man.
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Post by oneday on Aug 27, 2015 22:02:59 GMT -5
While I agree she doesn't need a push against Bayley at this point in time, based on her match against KC Cassidy(?), I don't think she's that much below Carmella,Alexa, or Dana's ability in the ring. I think she is "tv ready" enough for NXT. Carmella, Alexa and Dana can at least make their finishers look good. Eva's "casually walk up the ropes to hit the Sliced Bread" is cringe-worthy, and that's the best move in her arsenal from a technique standpoint. Everything else she did in her match against Carmella was smooth enough, I think it's kinda nitpicking to just focus on one move. Plus I still can't take Carmella's finisher seriously, it looks like a rest hold.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 22:05:44 GMT -5
Yeah! It was a tragedy.
Can you repeat the question?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 27, 2015 22:06:05 GMT -5
So it's "twisted logic" to not be a fan? This is a loaded thread.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Aug 27, 2015 22:16:40 GMT -5
Why is it that it's generally accepted to say that Tamina and Naomi suck in the ring, but the minute Eva Marie gets brought up, it's suddenly this travesty that must be avenged?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 27, 2015 22:39:18 GMT -5
Here's the problem with Eva Marie: for months people were hyping her up because she was training with Kendrick. Because of these GIFs and Instagram videos she was showing off of some of the highlights of her training. Because they wanted to believe that somehow she had turned things around completely. And hey, I wanted to believe it too. In all honesty, she is alot better. Really, compared to when she first showed up, it's like night and day. But the problem is that after all that hype, she's still... not really that great. She's... passable. Yet NXT and WWE are pushing as if she's suddenly transformed into this amazing wrestler. Even though in all honesty she's not. And the people who thought otherwise are upset, because they fell for the hype, and when it didn't deliver they turned on her. I think Eva Marie will probably get alot better, but right now she's still not there. And this idea that she should be the next face of the women's division when pretty much every other woman on the NXT Roster right now would be a better choice is not helping matters one bit. Eva is fine. She's good enough by Divas standards. She certainly shouldn't be champion, but she does have a place on the Divas roster. Not everyone can be as good as the NXT women. If everyone is awesome, then no one is.
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 27, 2015 22:58:13 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I was booing Eva Marie.
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Post by fortknox on Aug 27, 2015 23:03:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I was booing Eva Marie.
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Post by BigWill on Aug 27, 2015 23:11:08 GMT -5
Here's the problem with Eva Marie: for months people were hyping her up because she was training with Kendrick. Because of these GIFs and Instagram videos she was showing off of some of the highlights of her training. Because they wanted to believe that somehow she had turned things around completely. And hey, I wanted to believe it too. In all honesty, she is alot better. Really, compared to when she first showed up, it's like night and day. But the problem is that after all that hype, she's still... not really that great. She's... passable. Yet NXT and WWE are pushing as if she's suddenly transformed into this amazing wrestler. Even though in all honesty she's not. And the people who thought otherwise are upset, because they fell for the hype, and when it didn't deliver they turned on her. I think Eva Marie will probably get alot better, but right now she's still not there. And this idea that she should be the next face of the women's division when pretty much every other woman on the NXT Roster right now would be a better choice is not helping matters one bit. Eva is fine. She's good enough by Divas standards. She certainly shouldn't be champion, but she does have a place on the Divas roster. Not everyone can be as good as the NXT women. If everyone is awesome, then no one is. I'd be perfectly fine with living in a world where every Diva was as good as the NXT women. Nothing wrong with the entire division being good across the board.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 23:19:42 GMT -5
What truly stuck out to me from NXT this week about Eva is that she is asleep in the ring. Everything she does is slow and sleepy. Carmella wasn't much better from a nuts and bolts perspective, but in terms of having any sort of personality and fire, she outclassed Eva quite a bit.
I don't think Eva Marie has the personality to be a good pro wrestler. She may need to take acting classes and find a different side of herself to channel, because the real her is very, very chilled out. She gets mega-heat right now, but it's nothing she's doing, you know? It's all that meta-bullshit I'm tired of. I just cant see Eva losing herself in a character and getting real crowd reactions. The only way for her to really succeed is to get amazing in the ring.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 27, 2015 23:22:19 GMT -5
What truly stuck out to me from NXT this week about Eva is that she is asleep in the ring. Everything she does is slow and sleepy. Carmella wasn't much better from a nuts and bolts perspective, but in terms of having any sort of personality and fire, she outclassed Eva quite a bit. I don't think Eva Marie has the personality to be a good pro wrestler. She may need to take acting classes and find a different side of herself to channel, because the real her is very, very chilled out. She gets mega-heat right now, but it's nothing she's doing, you know? It's all that meta-bullshit I'm tired of. I just cant see Eva losing herself in a character and getting real crowd reactions. The only way for her to really succeed is to get amazing in the ring. Personally, in the match this week I thought Carmella was worse.
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