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Post by Stu on Sept 26, 2015 15:02:33 GMT -5
yezus help us... I get it people should not run to the ring, but really you're going to knock the guys head off?(I know not literally) Jericho sounds like an overzealous nut that just cant wait to hurt an audience member. WWE has security that will safely handle the situation no need for you to get violent. Not to mention a lot of people who rush the ring are really small kids, adults with special needs, and drunk people. You really wanna beat up those people? I don't really care how the guys handle it. I actually loved the way Dean and Roman just stood there while Wyatt played it off. But considering we've had guys pushing wrestlers off ladders and tossing briefcases, sometimes you just can't take a chance and need to be defensive
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 26, 2015 15:05:26 GMT -5
He mentioned some guys do and others don't attack the fans. I tried to think of recent incidents, and it looked like mostly oldschool guys would attack and newer guys just watch. Correct me if I'm wrong. I would agree. All the incidents of fans getting beat up for getting in the ring that I can remember involve the nWo in some way or another. I was an avid WCW watcher, though, so I'm sure I wouldn't remember WWE instances as much. Eddie attacked a fan who shoved the ladder in a match Eddie was having with RVD, but Eddie jumped off in time, then pummeled him. I don't feel bad for the guy, giving he was literally trying to assault him, himself, by shoving it over with him on it and by surprise. I have also literally never seen a child get over the barricade, and only once saw a special needs person do it, where HBK came over to get security to show him leniency.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 26, 2015 15:08:07 GMT -5
yezus help us... I get it people should not run to the ring, but really you're going to knock the guys head off?(I know not literally) Jericho sounds like an overzealous nut that just cant wait to hurt an audience member. WWE has security that will safely handle the situation no need for you to get violent. Not to mention a lot of people who rush the ring are really small kids, adults with special needs, and drunk people. You really wanna beat up those people? I doubt he has small kids on his mind, or special needs. Drunks? Yeah, he'd likely kick their ass. No, I'd feel zero sympathy. If a drunk ran out in the middle of a rodeo and a bull hit him, I wouldn't feel bad, either. They don't know who you are, and drunk or not, you're responsible for your own actions and do not belong there. In sports games when people streak or run on the field, they get tackled and dragged to the back, too. Drunks know what they're risking.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Sept 26, 2015 15:10:50 GMT -5
It'd be funny if someone tried that with Jericho, then Jericho tries to attack the person and the person is some MMA fighter and takes Jericho down. If Bill Watts was in charge, Jericho would be out of there with his tail between his legs. Jericho has been doing this a very long time, and wrestlers aren't going to play nice. Regal talks about how when drunks used to try and get into the ring, Regal would tell them to, and the second they put their head between the ropes, Regal would kick them in the head to knock them unconscious. If an MMA fighter tried this, they wouldn't just get criminal trespassing, they'd probably get a prison sentence for assault, too. I don't think Bill Watts would have too much sympathy for the fan, either, considering Blackjack Mulligan got stabbed by a fan when security blew it and assumed it was part of the show for some reason. I don't think he'd give a shit. No, Watts had a no bullshit policy for letting a non-wrestler beat one of his men in a fight. If you lost a fight, you're gone regardless of the circumstance. Plus, if the wrestler laid a hand on him first, then said MMA fighter could claim self defense. A police officer may have told him in 1998 that they could beat the shit out of a fan who jumps the barricade, but this is 2015 and I doubt that shit would fly if a fan just came in and stood in the ring and posed like the guy at NOC did. Just because someone trespasses, doesn't automatically give you the right to beat someone's ass. Like if I jump the fence and go into someone's yard, the owner can't just run up and punch me in the face repeatedly. If I went to the owner's yard, went up to him, and tried to grab him, then, yeah I'm fair game to deck. One example I can think of is that ladder match Eddie Guerrero was in on Raw and the fan came in and tried to tip over the ladder while Guerrero was on it. Yeah, Guerrero was justified in beating the shit out of him, because the fan tried to assault Guerrero by trying to push him off the ladder. Yet, Rollins wouldn't have been justified in beating the shit out of the Cool Runnings dude who jumped the rail and walked behind him down the ramp on Raw the other week, because the dude was just being a twit. It's the same reason why you normally don't see baseball players beating the shit out of fans who run onto the field.
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Post by Sam Punk on Sept 26, 2015 15:17:13 GMT -5
Didn't wwe used to debut wrestlers by having them come through the crowd? I seem to remember Santino being one example. Likely alcohol/lack of intelligence makes people think that's their shot at becoming a wrestler.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 26, 2015 15:19:16 GMT -5
Didn't wwe used to debut wrestlers by having them come through the crowd? I seem to remember Santino being one example. Likely alcohol/lack of intelligence makes people think that's their shot at becoming a wrestler. They do it from time to time. I dislike that angle for that reason, plus it being lazy. Nowadays, if it's an NXT person like with Emma's debut angle, Cole or the like tends to say so, maybe in part due to realizing too many fans would know who they were for it to fly, unlike the relative obscurity of OVW to the fandom.
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 26, 2015 15:25:12 GMT -5
yezus help us... I get it people should not run to the ring, but really you're going to knock the guys head off?(I know not literally) Jericho sounds like an overzealous nut that just cant wait to hurt an audience member. WWE has security that will safely handle the situation no need for you to get violent. Not to mention a lot of people who rush the ring are really small kids, adults with special needs, and drunk people. You really wanna beat up those people? I doubt he has small kids on his mind, or special needs. Drunks? Yeah, he'd likely kick their ass. No, I'd feel zero sympathy. If a drunk ran out in the middle of a rodeo and a bull hit him, I wouldn't feel bad, either. They don't know who you are, and drunk or not, you're responsible for your own actions and do not belong there. In sports games when people streak or run on the field, they get tackled and dragged to the back, too. Drunks know what they're risking. A bull? A wrestler is not a bull. My point being that it's kinda disturbing for a person to want/dwell on a scenario to beat people they see as weaker than them selves, when there is a security team that will handle it for them.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 26, 2015 15:36:27 GMT -5
yezus help us... I get it people should not run to the ring, but really you're going to knock the guys head off?(I know not literally) Jericho sounds like an overzealous nut that just cant wait to hurt an audience member. WWE has security that will safely handle the situation no need for you to get violent. Not to mention a lot of people who rush the ring are really small kids, adults with special needs, and drunk people. You really wanna beat up those people? The fact we're discussing this after 2 people made it in the ring and another got to a wrestler in the aisle while he had his back turned shows WWE security isn't handling the situation. These weren't people with special needs and they weren't kids (I do not give drunks a pass). These men and women deserve, needs and have the right to protect themselves from harm real or perceived. You hope the rail and get close to the wrestlers, getting knocked on your ass should be the least of your worries, IMO.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 26, 2015 16:00:28 GMT -5
I doubt he has small kids on his mind, or special needs. Drunks? Yeah, he'd likely kick their ass. No, I'd feel zero sympathy. If a drunk ran out in the middle of a rodeo and a bull hit him, I wouldn't feel bad, either. They don't know who you are, and drunk or not, you're responsible for your own actions and do not belong there. In sports games when people streak or run on the field, they get tackled and dragged to the back, too. Drunks know what they're risking. A bull? A wrestler is not a bull. My point being that it's kinda disturbing for a person to want/dwell on a scenario to beat people they see as weaker than them selves, when there is a security team that will handle it for them. I realize a wrestler isn't a bull, which is why I gave another example, one which involves human beings and a human getting physically hurt by running onto the field. Drunks endangering themselves are a reality of live entertainment, and I don't pity them.
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 26, 2015 16:13:27 GMT -5
yezus help us... I get it people should not run to the ring, but really you're going to knock the guys head off?(I know not literally) Jericho sounds like an overzealous nut that just cant wait to hurt an audience member. WWE has security that will safely handle the situation no need for you to get violent. Not to mention a lot of people who rush the ring are really small kids, adults with special needs, and drunk people. You really wanna beat up those people? The fact we're discussing this after 2 people made it in the ring and another got to a wrestler in the isle while he had his back turned shows WWE security isn't handling the situation. These weren't people with special needs and they weren't kids (I do not give drunks a pass). These men and women deserve, needs and have the right to protect themselves from harm real or perceived. You hope the rail and get close to the wrestlers, getting knocked on your ass should be the least of your worries, IMO. But did anything happen to the wrestlers? Nope. Was the show ruined? Nope. What happened? Some guy got in the ring and security escorted them out, and was probably kicked out, charged with some crime, and banned from ever going to a wwe show again. Jericho knowing that at the end of the day everyone was safe and the show went on says "he would have knocked his block off" because a cop once told him he has free reign on these types of people.
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Post by Speedy Cerviche on Sept 26, 2015 16:21:05 GMT -5
yezus help us... I get it people should not run to the ring, but really you're going to knock the guys head off?(I know not literally) Jericho sounds like an overzealous nut that just cant wait to hurt an audience member. WWE has security that will safely handle the situation no need for you to get violent. Not to mention a lot of people who rush the ring are really small kids, adults with special needs, and drunk people. You really wanna beat up those people? Why shouldn't he kick out some idiot who decided it'd be a good idea to rush the ring uninvited? Performers have died because of lunatics running onto a stage to attack people.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 26, 2015 16:24:36 GMT -5
The fact we're discussing this after 2 people made it in the ring and another got to a wrestler in the isle while he had his back turned shows WWE security isn't handling the situation. These weren't people with special needs and they weren't kids (I do not give drunks a pass). These men and women deserve, needs and have the right to protect themselves from harm real or perceived. You hope the rail and get close to the wrestlers, getting knocked on your ass should be the least of your worries, IMO. But did anything happen to the wrestlers? Nope. Was the show ruined? Nope. What happened? Some guy got in the ring and security escorted them out, and was probably kicked out, charged with some crime, and banned from ever going to a wwe show again. Jericho knowing that at the end of the day everyone was safe and the show went on says "he would have knocked his block off" because a cop once told him he has free reign on these types of people. But history shows this time isn't next time. Next time that guy that gets to Dean stabs him. Next time that guy attacks Seth Rollins. Next time Jericho gets a broken jaw. It is far too easy to say nothing happened this time even though security failed, so stop worrying about safety when a crazy jumps the rail. As long as things like wrestlers getting stabbed, stalked, shot, physically assaulted, shoved off ladders or worse is the present, they have he right to protect themselves.
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 26, 2015 16:27:03 GMT -5
A bull? A wrestler is not a bull. My point being that it's kinda disturbing for a person to want/dwell on a scenario to beat people they see as weaker than them selves, when there is a security team that will handle it for them. I realize a wrestler isn't a bull, which is why I gave another example, one which involves human beings and a human getting physically hurt by running onto the field. Drunks endangering themselves are a reality of live entertainment, and I don't pity them. Feeling sorry for them, and wanting to hurt them are two different things. I get the need to protect your self from certain people, and violence is sometimes necessary. However I don't get the point of bringing violence into a situation that was handled in a non-violent way, just so you can hurt someone... Jericho wanted to escalate the issue instead of deescalate.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 26, 2015 16:33:28 GMT -5
I realize a wrestler isn't a bull, which is why I gave another example, one which involves human beings and a human getting physically hurt by running onto the field. Drunks endangering themselves are a reality of live entertainment, and I don't pity them. Feeling sorry for them, and wanting to hurt them are two different things. I get the need to protect your self from certain people, and violence is sometimes necessary. However I don't get the point of bringing violence into a situation that was handled in a non-violent way, just so you can hurt someone... Jericho wanted to escalate the issue instead of deescalate. I do prefer when it can be handled non-violently, yes.
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 26, 2015 16:35:31 GMT -5
But did anything happen to the wrestlers? Nope. Was the show ruined? Nope. What happened? Some guy got in the ring and security escorted them out, and was probably kicked out, charged with some crime, and banned from ever going to a wwe show again. Jericho knowing that at the end of the day everyone was safe and the show went on says "he would have knocked his block off" because a cop once told him he has free reign on these types of people. But history shows this time isn't next time. Next time that guy that gets to Dean stabs him. Next time that guy attacks Seth Rollins. Next time Jericho gets a broken jaw. It is far too easy to say nothing happened this time even though security failed, so stop worrying about safety when a crazy jumps the rail. As long as things like wrestlers getting stabbed, stalked, shot, physically assaulted, shoved off ladders or worse is the present, they have he right to protect themselves. There are so many what if's. What if Jericho did attempt to kick the guys ass and the guy gets a lucky shot and knocks him out. What if the guy had aids and got busted open by Jericho? My point being that there are sometimes better ways to handle a situation like this than just resorting to violence. In this case the wwe has a security team, that is supposed to escort these people out. That's what happened here.
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 26, 2015 16:38:47 GMT -5
Feeling sorry for them, and wanting to hurt them are two different things. I get the need to protect your self from certain people, and violence is sometimes necessary. However I don't get the point of bringing violence into a situation that was handled in a non-violent way, just so you can hurt someone... Jericho wanted to escalate the issue instead of deescalate. I do prefer when it can be handled non-violently, yes. According to this clip Jericho does not. Which was the point of my post
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 26, 2015 16:42:12 GMT -5
But history shows this time isn't next time. Next time that guy that gets to Dean stabs him. Next time that guy attacks Seth Rollins. Next time Jericho gets a broken jaw. It is far too easy to say nothing happened this time even though security failed, so stop worrying about safety when a crazy jumps the rail. As long as things like wrestlers getting stabbed, stalked, shot, physically assaulted, shoved off ladders or worse is the present, they have he right to protect themselves. There are so many what if's. What if Jericho did attempt to kick the guys ass and the guy gets a lucky shot and knocks him out. What if the guy had aids and got busted open by Jericho? My point being that there are sometimes better ways to handle a situation like this than just resorting to violence. In this case the wwe has a security team, that is supposed to escort these people out. That's what happened here. Again, the simple and undeniable fact that these people made it to the wrestlers and more disturbingly in the ring shows WWE security did not do its job. No fan should ever make it there and that gives these people the right to defend themselves from drunken f***s, glory seekers or idiots.
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Post by Stu on Sept 26, 2015 17:01:33 GMT -5
But history shows this time isn't next time. Next time that guy that gets to Dean stabs him. Next time that guy attacks Seth Rollins. Next time Jericho gets a broken jaw. It is far too easy to say nothing happened this time even though security failed, so stop worrying about safety when a crazy jumps the rail. As long as things like wrestlers getting stabbed, stalked, shot, physically assaulted, shoved off ladders or worse is the present, they have he right to protect themselves. There are so many what if's. What if Jericho did attempt to kick the guys ass and the guy gets a lucky shot and knocks him out. What if the guy had aids and got busted open by Jericho? My point being that there are sometimes better ways to handle a situation like this than just resorting to violence. In this case the wwe has a security team, that is supposed to escort these people out. That's what happened here. But by the time security even showed up, the fan was already close enough to put his hands on Reigns and Ambrose without having to reach out. He was practically leaning on them. Yes, it would be nice for things to end peacefully, but we shouldn't criticize Jericho for not wanting to take a chance.
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Post by Raskovnik on Sept 26, 2015 17:09:52 GMT -5
I smell a coward, is that you Hogan?
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 26, 2015 17:16:43 GMT -5
There are so many what if's. What if Jericho did attempt to kick the guys ass and the guy gets a lucky shot and knocks him out. What if the guy had aids and got busted open by Jericho? My point being that there are sometimes better ways to handle a situation like this than just resorting to violence. In this case the wwe has a security team, that is supposed to escort these people out. That's what happened here. Again, the simple and undeniable fact that these people made it to the wrestlers and more disturbingly in the ring shows WWE security did not do its job. No fan should ever make it there and that gives these people the right to defend themselves from drunken f***s, glory seekers or idiots. You are missing the point entirely. Jericho does not really mention defending himself, or danger, he does mention the fact he can legally do anything he wants to the fans. He in this clip seems to delight in being able to get away with knocking the block off of an untrained fan, not because of fear for his safety, but just because he can. This point is more driven home when you take in consideration he is talking in hindsight, and in hindsight the issue was handled in a nonviolent way and no one was hurt. Jericho goes, well I would have beat him up, just because I'm allowed to..
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