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Post by Starshine on Sept 28, 2015 21:01:13 GMT -5
Jericho comes off so badly on his podcast during the parts where he's not interviewing people. He just seems like a guy trying way too hard to come off as cool instead of trying to be himself. It's what I love about Austin's and Flair's respective podcasts. They don't seem to be playing "pro wrestler" on their shows, they just seem to be shooting the shit and having fun. Jericho's alwasys been like that, really isn't an "act". Find an old interview with Jericho from the 90's and he's the same way then as he is now. Except when he's actually talking with the guys, he'll drop the rock star act and actually seem like a relatable person. It's just those awful promo drops he does, along with all the Egypt schtick, and cowbell crap where I find him the most off-putting.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Sept 28, 2015 21:21:05 GMT -5
Jericho's alwasys been like that, really isn't an "act". Find an old interview with Jericho from the 90's and he's the same way then as he is now. Except when he's actually talking with the guys, he'll drop the rock star act and actually seem like a relatable person. It's just those awful promo drops he does, along with all the Egypt schtick, and cowbell crap where I find him the most off-putting. I'm not a big fan of Egypt either.
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 28, 2015 22:22:03 GMT -5
...Except, WWE security has shown a tendency to have their thumbs up their asses lately when it comes to fan run-ins. Who are these people you speak of? When was the last time a small child or someone with special needs ran into the ring at a WWE event? Obviously Jericho is not going to clock a child, way to reach for that argument! And why are you defending drunks? Once again the point is that JERICHO is not really talking about protecting himself. He's talking about wanting to knock the block off a fan, because he can. The fact he seemingly finds delight in harming a fan is kind of screwed up imo... That's kind of reaching there. Nowhere in that rant of his does it sound like he takes some sick pleasure in attacking someone. Jericho comes from the old-school way of doing things in wrestling, and was offering a warning to anyone thinking about jumping into the ring. You may or may not be aware of this, but Jericho has a way with words, and knows how to emote and express feelings when he talks. Perhaps he's just taking a stand on something and you're feeling uncomfortable about it for some reason? It's not like he was talking directly to you.
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 28, 2015 22:30:48 GMT -5
In the video you posted, he's clearly trying to get into the car, he feels a hand on his shoulder, he turns back and retaliates. Probably had no idea it was a woman, and probably had no time to pull his punch in the heat of the moment. The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child. Cool story bro. He was still acting in self defense. Volatile situation, no security to assist you, horde of fans descending on you, you try and turn away then someone grabs your shoulder. What are you going to do? Turn around and tousle their hair? Give them a laurel and hearty handshake? Get into a spirited debate about climate change?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 28, 2015 22:42:35 GMT -5
The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child. Cool story bro. He was still acting in self defense. Volatile situation, no security to assist you, horde of fans descending on you, you try and turn away then someone grabs your shoulder. What are you going to do? Turn around and tousle their hair? Give them a laurel and hearty handshake? Get into a spirited debate about climate change? The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child. I don't feel I need to qualify this statement.
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 28, 2015 22:59:30 GMT -5
Once again the point is that JERICHO is not really talking about protecting himself. He's talking about wanting to knock the block off a fan, because he can. The fact he seemingly finds delight in harming a fan is kind of screwed up imo... That's kind of reaching there. Nowhere in that rant of his does it sound like he takes some sick pleasure in attacking someone. Jericho comes from the old-school way of doing things in wrestling, and was offering a warning to anyone thinking about jumping into the ring. You may or may not be aware of this, but Jericho has a way with words, and knows how to emote and express feelings when he talks. Perhaps he's just taking a stand on something and you're feeling uncomfortable about it for some reason? It's not like he was talking directly to you. The fact he does not talk about protecting himself, he makes it clear that he is choosing the violent path(he said others are nice about it), makes it sound like he at the very least wants to be violent to those individuals. Also the only personal connection would practically be because I run/perform in shows at various venues. There are a ton of goof balls and jerks that jump on stage, and do stupid stuff. There is always a risk of something happening but as a performer you can't react like everyone is out to get you because 99% of the time they are just some goofball looking for their time to shine, and if you attack the "wrong" person you could be in a ton of trouble.
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 28, 2015 23:14:35 GMT -5
Cool story bro. He was still acting in self defense. Volatile situation, no security to assist you, horde of fans descending on you, you try and turn away then someone grabs your shoulder. What are you going to do? Turn around and tousle their hair? Give them a laurel and hearty handshake? Get into a spirited debate about climate change? The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child. I don't feel I need to qualify this statement. Apparently not, but you certainly feel the need to quantify it. Self defense is self defense.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 28, 2015 23:19:05 GMT -5
The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child. I don't feel I need to qualify this statement. Apparently not, but you certainly feel the need to quantify it. Self defense is self defense.Some forms of self-defense are more defensible than others.
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 28, 2015 23:24:57 GMT -5
Apparently not, but you certainly feel the need to quantify it. Self defense is self defense.Some forms of self-defense are more defensible than others. I'm not saying I wish this upon you, but if you do ever find yourself in a situation like Jericho's and you're surrounded by an unruly mob, and someone grabs your shoulder from behind, that in that moment, you understand what was going through Jericho's head.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 28, 2015 23:44:29 GMT -5
Some forms of self-defense are more defensible than others. I'm not saying I wish this upon you, but if you do ever find yourself in a situation like Jericho's and you're surrounded by an unruly mob, and someone grabs your shoulder from behind, that in that moment, you understand what was going through Jericho's head. I have no problem being unambiguous in saying that I don't want you to be swarmed by an unruly mob.
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 29, 2015 0:19:42 GMT -5
I'm not saying I wish this upon you, but if you do ever find yourself in a situation like Jericho's and you're surrounded by an unruly mob, and someone grabs your shoulder from behind, that in that moment, you understand what was going through Jericho's head. I have no problem being unambiguous in saying that I don't want you to be swarmed by an unruly mob. Seriously though, pretend that you're in Jericho's situation. Someone grabs you from behind. What do you do?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 29, 2015 0:39:54 GMT -5
I have no problem being unambiguous in saying that I don't want you to be swarmed by an unruly mob. Seriously though, pretend that you're in Jericho's situation. Someone grabs you from behind. What do you do? In the instances where this has happened to me, none of which involved being among a crowd of people, I have never blindly struck or swung at someone. I have flinched, twisted or pulled my body away, and/or turn around to access what's happened. To the best of my recollection.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Sept 29, 2015 0:51:55 GMT -5
I have swung around and punched a kid when two of them came up behind me and started hitting me when I was in high school. I would not have felt bad if it was a woman, and I am like the least violent or intimidating person in the world. When people come at you aggressively, it comes down to instinct rather than rational decision making so I don't really think you can hate on Jericho for all that.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 29, 2015 2:16:19 GMT -5
Getting back onto the subject of fans jumping the barricade and getting into the ring.... We've not had this happen with this level of frequency or "press" in quite some time, and I think wrestlers have a good cause for concern. Who's to blame? Obviously, fans need to take some measure of responsibility for keeping their emotions in check. HOWEVER, I also feel that WWE, by booking such heel-biased storylines without any real hope for the faces to get justice (without having the heels minimizing or invalidating the justice the next goddamned night), is potentially putting its in-ring talent in danger. USA Network may want one thing, but if the result of its insisting on its way is the serious injury or death of a WWE wrestler in the ring at the hands of an unruly or careless or disgruntled fan, it won't necessarily be USA Network taking the shit from it. It'll be WWE for its failure to protect its talent. If a fan gets to the point where the idea of "The bad guy is winning too much, maybe it's time I jump the rail to help even the odds" sounds logical... MAYBE they're taking this stuff a little bit too seriously.
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 29, 2015 10:14:51 GMT -5
Seriously though, pretend that you're in Jericho's situation. Someone grabs you from behind. What do you do? In the instances where this has happened to me, none of which involved being among a crowd of people, I have never blindly struck or swung at someone. I have flinched, twisted or pulled my body away, and/or turn around to access what's happened. To the best of my recollection. Nice, but you didn't answer my question. What would you do if you were in Chris Jericho's situation? Keep in mind this individual has had someone pull a gun on him in the past so he's probably very wary of his surroundings.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 29, 2015 10:25:34 GMT -5
Getting back onto the subject of fans jumping the barricade and getting into the ring.... We've not had this happen with this level of frequency or "press" in quite some time, and I think wrestlers have a good cause for concern. Who's to blame? Obviously, fans need to take some measure of responsibility for keeping their emotions in check. HOWEVER, I also feel that WWE, by booking such heel-biased storylines without any real hope for the faces to get justice (without having the heels minimizing or invalidating the justice the next goddamned night), is potentially putting its in-ring talent in danger. USA Network may want one thing, but if the result of its insisting on its way is the serious injury or death of a WWE wrestler in the ring at the hands of an unruly or careless or disgruntled fan, it won't necessarily be USA Network taking the shit from it. It'll be WWE for its failure to protect its talent. If a fan gets to the point where the idea of "The bad guy is winning too much, maybe it's time I jump the rail to help even the odds" sounds logical... MAYBE they're taking this stuff a little bit too seriously. That's what happen on Raw when Eddie Guerrero and RVD were having a ladder match. Jackass jumped in the ring to push over the ladder while Eddie was climbing.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 29, 2015 10:33:11 GMT -5
In the instances where this has happened to me, none of which involved being among a crowd of people, I have never blindly struck or swung at someone. I have flinched, twisted or pulled my body away, and/or turn around to access what's happened. To the best of my recollection. Nice, but you didn't answer my question. What would you do if you were in Chris Jericho's situation? Keep in mind this individual has had someone pull a gun on him in the past so he's probably very wary of his surroundings.
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 29, 2015 11:03:47 GMT -5
Beautiful. Captain Hindsight over here when it comes to being grabbed by someone from behind ("The inherent risk PPBBBBTTTTTT"), but refuses to answer a simple question.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 29, 2015 11:24:07 GMT -5
Thank you, brother.
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Post by The Tee Why on Sept 29, 2015 13:30:21 GMT -5
ITT: Everyone is a criminal law judge
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Everyone is the moral compass police
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