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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Sept 28, 2015 14:49:05 GMT -5
Not gonna weigh in on this "He hit a woman" "but look at the circumstances" "NO HE HIT A WOMAN THOUGH" debate but man what a heel Jericho was at that time! I know people got sick of the Serious Jericho deal but for a while there the dude was a legitimate heat-generating machine.
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 28, 2015 15:40:31 GMT -5
Jericho sounds like an overzealous nut that just cant wait to hurt an audience member. WWE has security that will safely handle the situation no need for you to get violent. ...Except, WWE security has shown a tendency to have their thumbs up their asses lately when it comes to fan run-ins. Who are these people you speak of? When was the last time a small child or someone with special needs ran into the ring at a WWE event? Obviously Jericho is not going to clock a child, way to reach for that argument! And why are you defending drunks?
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 28, 2015 15:46:55 GMT -5
I don't get how anyone is on the side of people jumping the rail in this scenario. Is kicking the ass of some fan who runs into the ring the BEST option? No, but then again, it is a SMART option. It not only sends a message to the other jamokes out there who think it's cool to hop the barricade not to do it, it's also a handy method of self-defense. How many of these incidents are we going to see before one of these people has a gun or a knife? It's entirely fine for the wrestler(s) to throw hands on a fan if they get in there. It is within their right.
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Post by Juice on Sept 28, 2015 16:18:20 GMT -5
He got out of the vehicle. And chose to step into the crowd and punched a woman in the face that was not self defense that was him being a dock bag. And for the record in not the pc police fella. Check every thread about twitter firings
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 16:23:01 GMT -5
If you're a wrestler, you don't really have time to assess the situation. The person could have a weapon, try to attack you, etc. If they jump the barricade, they've opened themselves up to an asswhooping. It's that simple to me.
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 28, 2015 16:23:49 GMT -5
He got out of the vehicle. And chose to step into the crowd and punched a woman in the face that was not self defense that was him being a dock bag. And for the record in not the pc police fella. Check every thread about twitter firings In the video you posted, he's clearly trying to get into the car, he feels a hand on his shoulder, he turns back and retaliates. Probably had no idea it was a woman, and probably had no time to pull his punch in the heat of the moment.
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Post by ManInGauze on Sept 28, 2015 16:27:37 GMT -5
He got out of the vehicle. And chose to step into the crowd and punched a woman in the face that was not self defense that was him being a dock bag. And for the record in not the pc police fella. Check every thread about twitter firings He got out because the people wouldn't let him leave. I also believe the woman slapped and spat at him, so at that point, yes. It WAS self defense. Would you have rather him run over all those people? This is something that should've been handled by security, yes. There was no available personnel at this time, though. What was he gonna do? Stand there and let people push him around? No one should have to be put in this situation in the first place. So no. I'm not going to side with people who want to harass others just to get a reaction out of them and then play victim. THAT is cowardly.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Sept 28, 2015 16:52:13 GMT -5
He got out of the vehicle. And chose to step into the crowd and punched a woman in the face that was not self defense that was him being a dock bag. And for the record in not the pc police fella. Check every thread about twitter firings He only got out of his vehicle because it was surrounded and people were hitting it. He was literally trapped and in a very dangerous and vulnerable situation. When he got out he simply told people to get out of the way. The woman approached him and touched him as he was getting back in his car. He simply reacted and even admitted that he had no idea it was a girl until after he hit her. had that woman had a weapon she could have literally killed him with as close as she was. Jericho was well within his rights to do what he did. At that point he is acting in self defense and there is no excuse for any fan, woman or man, to approach a wrestler in that matter. Sorry but there is no defense for the crowd in this instance as they were preventing him from leaving and harassing him. Jericho had every right to defend himself in this situation. If anyone besides that fans were at fault it was the arena for not providing adequate security to keep Jericho safe. I don't advocate a man ever hitting a women, but in this instance it was self defense (besides Jericho not realizing what happened until after he already swung at her) and had she not harassed Jericho she would never have been hit. Jericho isn't exactly known to be a violent person.
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Post by nisidhe on Sept 28, 2015 17:24:01 GMT -5
Getting back onto the subject of fans jumping the barricade and getting into the ring....
We've not had this happen with this level of frequency or "press" in quite some time, and I think wrestlers have a good cause for concern. Who's to blame? Obviously, fans need to take some measure of responsibility for keeping their emotions in check. HOWEVER, I also feel that WWE, by booking such heel-biased storylines without any real hope for the faces to get justice (without having the heels minimizing or invalidating the justice the next goddamned night), is potentially putting its in-ring talent in danger. USA Network may want one thing, but if the result of its insisting on its way is the serious injury or death of a WWE wrestler in the ring at the hands of an unruly or careless or disgruntled fan, it won't necessarily be USA Network taking the shit from it. It'll be WWE for its failure to protect its talent.
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Crappler El 0 M
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 28, 2015 17:33:29 GMT -5
He got out of the vehicle. And chose to step into the crowd and punched a woman in the face that was not self defense that was him being a dock bag. And for the record in not the pc police fella. Check every thread about twitter firings In the video you posted, he's clearly trying to get into the car, he feels a hand on his shoulder, he turns back and retaliates. Probably had no idea it was a woman, and probably had no time to pull his punch in the heat of the moment. The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 28, 2015 17:39:57 GMT -5
He punched a woman in the face and Ra from the men that's pretty much the definition of a coward Yes. Defending himself from people who are trying to harass him for no reason is cowardly. Being in a mob and ganging up on one person isn't cowardly, though? I don't understand this "he hit a woman" argument. I know we live in a PC world, but come on, people. Are we really supposed to let people endanger us just because they're a different gender? I'm pretty much built like AJ. If I were to assault someone Jericho's size I'd probably do it under the assumption they'd hit me back Oh, and before it starts, people: Implying a wrestler is far stronger than a normal person, that's OK. Implying women are weak and powerless? Please don't.
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Post by ManInGauze on Sept 28, 2015 18:15:31 GMT -5
In the video you posted, he's clearly trying to get into the car, he feels a hand on his shoulder, he turns back and retaliates. Probably had no idea it was a woman, and probably had no time to pull his punch in the heat of the moment. The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child. Again, this is simply a case of acting on instinct. I'm sure Jericho wasn't in there hoping a woman or child would provoke him so he could do something. Hell, I'm sure he wasn't expecting a damned angry mob of people to start hounding him. In a situation like that, your instincts are often all you have. Jericho thought he was in danger, which he was not wrong to think at all, and reacted as such. It's not like the woman in question wasn't provoking him at all anyway. Keep in mind that this is just about the only time we've heard of Y2J ever striking someone outside of the ring. It's not like he goes around looking for fights. He's way smarter than people give him credit for, especially on here. This is all about idiot fans who jump in the ring for whatever reason. I stand with Jericho on this one. If you get in, don't expect anything less than a violent reaction.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 28, 2015 18:16:48 GMT -5
The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child. Again, this is simply a case of acting on instinct. I'm sure Jericho wasn't in there hoping a woman or child would provoke him so he could do something. Hell, I'm sure he wasn't expecting a damned angry mob of people to start hounding him. In a situation like that, your instincts are often all you have. Jericho thought he was in danger, which he was not wrong to think at all, and reacted as such. It's not like the woman in question wasn't provoking him at all anyway. Keep in mind that this is just about the only time we've heard of Y2J ever striking someone outside of the ring. It's not like he goes around looking for fights. He's way smarter than people give him credit for, especially on here. The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child.
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Post by ManInGauze on Sept 28, 2015 18:19:51 GMT -5
Again, this is simply a case of acting on instinct. I'm sure Jericho wasn't in there hoping a woman or child would provoke him so he could do something. Hell, I'm sure he wasn't expecting a damned angry mob of people to start hounding him. In a situation like that, your instincts are often all you have. Jericho thought he was in danger, which he was not wrong to think at all, and reacted as such. It's not like the woman in question wasn't provoking him at all anyway. Keep in mind that this is just about the only time we've heard of Y2J ever striking someone outside of the ring. It's not like he goes around looking for fights. He's way smarter than people give him credit for, especially on here. The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child. Okay then? I don't see how that changes anything. I'm sure there are many other people who would've done the same thing. I don't see how that makes them the bad guy for protecting themselves, at any cost. Should he have let himself be physically harassed? I really don't see how you can defend anyone else but Chris in this situation.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 28, 2015 18:25:10 GMT -5
Jericho comes off so badly on his podcast during the parts where he's not interviewing people. He just seems like a guy trying way too hard to come off as cool instead of trying to be himself.
It's what I love about Austin's and Flair's respective podcasts. They don't seem to be playing "pro wrestler" on their shows, they just seem to be shooting the shit and having fun.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 28, 2015 18:26:30 GMT -5
The inherent risk you take when you strike someone who touches you whom you cannot see is that the person could be a woman or child. Okay then? I don't see how that changes anything. I'm sure there are many other people who would've done the same thing. I don't see how that makes them the bad guy for protecting themselves, at any cost. Should he have let himself be physically harassed? I really don't see how you can defend anyone else but Chris in this situation. I defended no one. I criticized no one. I stated something I feel to be self-evident.
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 28, 2015 19:04:02 GMT -5
Jericho sounds like an overzealous nut that just cant wait to hurt an audience member. WWE has security that will safely handle the situation no need for you to get violent. ...Except, WWE security has shown a tendency to have their thumbs up their asses lately when it comes to fan run-ins. Who are these people you speak of? When was the last time a small child or someone with special needs ran into the ring at a WWE event? Obviously Jericho is not going to clock a child, way to reach for that argument! And why are you defending drunks? Once again the point is that JERICHO is not really talking about protecting himself. He's talking about wanting to knock the block off a fan, because he can. The fact he seemingly finds delight in harming a fan is kind of screwed up imo...
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Post by ManInGauze on Sept 28, 2015 19:27:28 GMT -5
...Except, WWE security has shown a tendency to have their thumbs up their asses lately when it comes to fan run-ins. Who are these people you speak of? When was the last time a small child or someone with special needs ran into the ring at a WWE event? Obviously Jericho is not going to clock a child, way to reach for that argument! And why are you defending drunks? Once again the point is that JERICHO is not really talking about protecting himself. He's talking about wanting to knock the block off a fan, because he can. The fact he seemingly finds delight in harming a fan is kind of screwed up imo... Until Jericho goes full on New Jack on someone, he's not some blood thirsty animal in my eyes. This is Y2J we're talking about too. He was probably playing it up like he wanted to to be tongue in cheek. He's done this before.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Sept 28, 2015 20:49:35 GMT -5
Jericho comes off so badly on his podcast during the parts where he's not interviewing people. He just seems like a guy trying way too hard to come off as cool instead of trying to be himself. It's what I love about Austin's and Flair's respective podcasts. They don't seem to be playing "pro wrestler" on their shows, they just seem to be shooting the shit and having fun. Jericho's alwasys been like that, really isn't an "act". Find an old interview with Jericho from the 90's and he's the same way then as he is now. Onto the original subject, if you get in the ring you deserved to get your butt kicked. Want to get in a ring, go to a wrestling school and get trained. Until then stay in the crowd. I feel no sorrow for anyone who gets harmed trying to jump in the ring. Granted if you are a small child or someone with special needs I give you a pass for not knowing better. Of course if a child gets into the ring I would blame that on the parent. Fully grown and capable adult, you deserve what you get.
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Post by Reflecto on Sept 28, 2015 20:56:08 GMT -5
Granted if you are a small child or someone with special needs I give you a pass for not knowing better. Of course if a child gets into the ring I would blame that on the parent. Fully grown and capable adult, you deserve what you get. Even then, one thing to remember when using the "what if they're a kid/someone with special needs?" argument is that, by and large, wrestlers KNOW when that's the case. Children almost never jump the stands on their own, and if they enter the ring it's almost always a case where they're let in the ring for a spot anyway (so the wrestler knows exactly what's going on and indeed invited them there)- and if it looks like a person with special needs does it, the wrestlers can usually tell that this is the case and diffuse things without attacking them. On average, the only time a wrestler will attack is when the wrestler knows that they know what they're doing (and "they were drunk" is not an excuse- on the contrary, drunk fans are usually the MOST likely one to actually attack a wrestler, and thus the most deserving of self-defense.)
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