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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 26, 2015 17:22:55 GMT -5
When did we start paying attention to Chris Jericho again?
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Post by Stu on Sept 26, 2015 17:48:37 GMT -5
When did we start paying attention to Chris Jericho again? When did we stop paying attention? Yes, it's easy to disagree with some of his comments. But at the end of the day, he's a veteran of the business who has achieved a lot and still has a lot to offer. He may not be as well-liked these days, but he's not someone who needs to completely go away. Vince Russo, however .....
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 26, 2015 18:28:23 GMT -5
While I do agree that it's extremely dangerous for a fan to get in the ring since nobody knows what that fan might actually do, I'm not sure that beating the shit out of them for doing so is always an acceptable response.
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Post by Juice on Sept 26, 2015 20:04:51 GMT -5
Jericho also punches female fans in the face too. That's cowardly.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Sept 26, 2015 20:07:15 GMT -5
That was almost a Jim Rome rant by Jericho there. I do agree with him. If a fan is idiot enough to hop the barricade and get in the ring. Who knows what they will do next? I don't fault a guy for throwing the first punch if it means not taking a chance the other guy will do something worse to them.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 26, 2015 20:49:05 GMT -5
CM Punk, what are your thoughts on the matter?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 26, 2015 20:56:59 GMT -5
I understand people like the non-violent approach but if i'm a wrestler and you get into the ring and come stand next to me than you deserve to get your shit rocked. I understand people saying oh nothing happened but that was this time there is no guarantee next time what could happen. You put your life on the line for the fans everyday and that should be all they need to enjoy themselves instead of hopping in the ring trying to be apart of the show.
I wouldn't blame any wrestler for knocking someone on their ass if they came into the ring whether the fan touched them or not. This isn't your domain you pay to be apart of the crowd and you could cheer and boo and do what you please in the fan section. At the end of the day this is just some fool wanting their 15 mins of fame because a guy like Roman comes down the aisle every night and some fans get overzealous but they don't go to far.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Sept 26, 2015 21:04:01 GMT -5
First time I've agreed with Jericho in a long time.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 26, 2015 21:12:06 GMT -5
The legality of beating them likely depends on a lot of things (running across yard and running on stage during a performance are likely governed by entirely different sets of rules depending on the state). That said, if a drunk runs into the ring and gets knocked down by a wrestler, I don't really have any sympathy. If the fan tries to hit the wrestler, then I'm pretty certain he just added assault to his misdemeanor trespass charges, regardless of what happened first. I think it's a really rare situation when a performer would be punished for subduing a fan who rushed a stage, and it'd have to be a really extreme response to garner it.
Likewise, I don't really have any sympathy when someone gets tackled by an athlete for running onto a field. If anyone cared about seeing their stupid ass on the field, they would have been signed to a contract.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 21:12:08 GMT -5
Hard to believe this even went multiple pages. Yeah, if you jump the rail and get in the ring, they have the right to neutralize the threat, namely by whooping your ass for the short time before security gets to the ring. It's not like they're going to have 10 minutes to beat them to a bloody pulp, but in those few seconds, fair game.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 26, 2015 21:16:59 GMT -5
Nah brah. If I'm wrestling and you hop the rail, I'm booking us a in a cage match TONIGHT!
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Post by Greer on Sept 26, 2015 22:34:11 GMT -5
Would love to see these guys hop the barricade during a Taker/Lesnar match.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 26, 2015 22:54:15 GMT -5
Would love to see these guys hop the barricade during a Taker/Lesnar match. Would be blood, piss and guts everywhere.
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Post by Reflecto on Sept 26, 2015 22:55:09 GMT -5
On paper, the rule of "if you jump the barricade to enter the ring, the wrestlers have the right to attack" rule is there- but there's also another side to the story- the ramifications.
Right now, two of the bigger moments right now fall to Roman Reigns (the briefcase throw and the guy trying to be the third man.)
Reigns has had a particularly unpopular rise to the main event at the time...and this can give a devious way for a particularly big Reigns hater to get ahead by running in.
If the fan runs in now- yes, they're banned for life from WWE shows and get arrested for trespassing...but at the same time, it's a no-win situation for Roman Reigns as well. If the guy jumps the barricade and fights Reigns, and Reigns does nothing to him and lets the referee [who, by the way, are traditionally very capable shooters for THIS EXACT REASON] or security handle the guy, then Reigns suddenly looks like a total wimp and his badass aura is instantly murdered...BUT, if Reigns defends himself against the guy? Suddenly, there's footage all over the media of Roman Reigns, the anointed Next Hero of the WWE, beating up a fan. Either way it happens, Roman Reigns is instantly toxic and his push has to be ended quickly.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 26, 2015 22:56:39 GMT -5
Would love to see these guys hop the barricade during a Taker/Lesnar match. Would be blood, piss and guts everywhere. And that is just from from Taker trying to run after these guys! God help the janitorial crew if he catches them.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 26, 2015 23:13:57 GMT -5
On paper, the rule of "if you jump the barricade to enter the ring, the wrestlers have the right to attack" rule is there- but there's also another side to the story- the ramifications. Right now, two of the bigger moments right now fall to Roman Reigns (the briefcase throw and the guy trying to be the third man.) Reigns has had a particularly unpopular rise to the main event at the time...and this can give a devious way for a particularly big Reigns hater to get ahead by running in. If the fan runs in now- yes, they're banned for life from WWE shows and get arrested for trespassing...but at the same time, it's a no-win situation for Roman Reigns as well. If the guy jumps the barricade and fights Reigns, and Reigns does nothing to him and lets the referee [who, by the way, are traditionally very capable shooters for THIS EXACT REASON] or security handle the guy, then Reigns suddenly looks like a total wimp and his badass aura is instantly murdered...BUT, if Reigns defends himself against the guy? Suddenly, there's footage all over the media of Roman Reigns, the anointed Next Hero of the WWE, beating up a fan. Either way it happens, Roman Reigns is instantly toxic and his push has to be ended quickly. I agree somewhat but if I feel my life is in danger and something isn't right than damn popularity if i'm Roman whoever that fan is getting his ass whooped until security pulls him away. There is no doubt about it that the wrestlers have a no touching policy considering how close all these guys have gotten. I would think other fans are smart enough to see someone jump the barricade and say well he got his ass whopped for a reason.
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Post by Juice on Sept 26, 2015 23:14:31 GMT -5
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Post by nisidhe on Sept 26, 2015 23:48:20 GMT -5
Jericho is right, to a point.
Yes, a fan who jumps the barricade and gets into the ring may be fair game to a wrestler; but only to the extent that that wrestler can take the fan down and hold them long enough for security to get to ringside - regardless of that fan's intent. That is fair both from a PR perspective and from a legal one: Vince needs neither the PR quagmire nor the expense of spending months in a courtroom defending WWE because a fan got injured beyond reason. Nobody would fault WWE if one of its talents simply held the fan down; they would get shit on massively if that wrestler struck the fan or used a move on them with the intent to injure.
Sadly, this is what can often happen when a) you're paying mere lip service to your fan base by pandering to them from a business perspective, then utterly failing to entertain them with what's going on in the ring, and b) when you go out of your way to remove from the fans any safer ways to express their enthusiasm or their frustration. Yes, the Internet is a thing, and some fans are going to be trolls on your product and some of them are going to try to bring the odd Bob Holly sign onto the hard camera side of the ring or start a chant you don't like. Try to be crowd Nazis because you don't feel comfortable about it and would rather erase it all entirely and because Kevin Dunn's an asshat whose ego can't handle the slightest leak, and combine that with the alienation theatre that's been WWE's creative bent the last three years, and you're going to have fans taking bigger risks to tell WWE that it's crap, including jumping barricades.
Quite honestly, the Bryan beatdown with Stephanie screaming over him had me worried that a riot was getting more and more likely, and I said at the time that Bryan had better win in New Orleans at WM30, because otherwise it was going to be questionable whether the Levesques would make it out of the Big Easy afterwards. It's partly concern over the possibility of a major f***ing meltdown in the stands that keeps driving me to say that WWE needs to give the fans more of what they want, which is the good guys winning at least occasionally and HHH and Steph occasionally getting their comeuppance and making it stick. Simply put, WWE: suck it up with the signs and try to aim more to get genuine cheers from the fans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 0:20:49 GMT -5
If a fan jumps the barrier and they get a black eye and a couple of weeks gaol (with all the massive complications a lifelong criminal record brings one) then fair enough, given the risks the punishment fits the crime.
However if a wrestler (maybe a middle aged Canadian a little too eager to prove his real life tough guy credentials) goes over the top and seriously injures a fan or worse then that whole "stay out of the boys house/ring/yard or we go to town on you" carny code.....well good luck explaining it to a judge.
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Post by StormanReigns on Sept 27, 2015 1:31:58 GMT -5
He mentioned some guys do and others don't attack the fans. I tried to think of recent incidents, and it looked like mostly oldschool guys would attack and newer guys just watch. Correct me if I'm wrong. In this age of everything being recorded, and lawsuits, unless the fan touches them, they should just stay away. In some states you may be legally allowed to injure the guy, but in others you can't, and that also goes with some countries.
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